Can dairy proteins get in breast milk?

[CarrotAteAllTheEggs]

My nine week old is very mucousy, wheezy and has a blotchy rash that won't clear. The alternative health shop/homeopath told me to cut out dairy as the proteins pass into breast milk. However, at my postnatal check today, the gp said they absolutely CAN'T pass into breastmilk as all protein is processed in the gut and doesn't enter the bloodstream. She says his problems are atopic, therefore genetic and won't be affected by diet as he is purely breastfed. There is so much conflicting advice about this. I think I might try it for a few weeks to see if there is an improvement, but I find it a bit daunting as it's so restrictive. Has anyone found that this has worked?

CSWS, if there is a boycott I want to be in it! Why are we boycotting Sainsbury's?

Sorry! CSWS, why the sainsburys boycott, I know a lot of people don't like tesco? (including me) Good news about the cherry, will be buying some tomorrow

Oh long and dull story, but sufficed to say that involving the police was discussed with store management! It's not an MN boycott, just me!

Oh! Will carry on shopping there for now then What's your name when it's not easter then, I'm carrotcake normally. In fact, I can still have that as it's made with oil not butter. Except the cream cheese icing. Bugger

Well traditionally CantSleepWontSleep, but since dd started sleeping better, I've been CanStarveWillStarve, CanSleepWellSometimes, CanSleepWillSleep, CantSlimWontSlim and countless others, but my initials are always CSWS!

I'm always carrot, CSWS, but I'll remember not to call you can't or can or chocolate in future
. I'm off to bed now with a laptop headache. Thanks for all the help. Might treat myself to almond AND cherry tomorrow, need to keep my strength up!

haven't read the whole thread but I cut them and it did help - and your gp is out of date, recent research showed proteins do go through in bm.

Thanks, IB, a friend said this morning that her sister was told by her gp that they do as well, so it's obviously not doctors in general. I won't be taking her advice! This is my first dairy free day

belated but =

yes the rashes went after dairy was cut out. I didn't have to be a purist about it after a while, cheese was ok and occasional yoghurts just not actual milk.

DD1 has grown out of it gradually at at 2.6 can drink cows milk. just as well because she wants to be the same as all the other kids at playgroup.

(mucus in stools was the other indicator for us)

Oh and it was the lactose rather than the proteins because goats had the same result. Also explains why cheese )mature chedder) is ok because the lactose is much less than in milk.

oh and too much dark choc kept dd1 up at night .

dd2 is unaffected .

Thats really interesting, Mrs Apron, when you say mucous in the stools, do you mean it's stringy? There are lots of stringy bits but I couldn't remember if the others had that. DD has never drunk milk either, she just wouldn't but loves cheese. I hope I can move back on to some things eventually, I will miss yoghurt, although the bacteria in that is meant to have partially digested the proteins, is that right?

god not sure about yogs. After excluding everything like a cow hating vigilante for a month or so i just tried one thing every week or so to see what happened.

Stringy yep, if really bad then (avert eyes now those with weak stomachs) like, well, phlegm.

I think i only ate natural yog for about the first year anyway.

You could take pro-biotic powders

Yes, thanks, I have been tsking those for a few days.

The nappies have been really stringy, hadn't really thought about it. Just went to have tomto soup and even that had bloody mascarpone in!

TAKING even..

Iagree it's quite difficult initially, but it's helped our cooking become much more creative on the whole. I have a very cooperative dh though....

Our paed told me that ideally we should exclude all dairy for 3 months and then introduce things one at a timeover a few weeks. Apparently most babies grow out of it.

Yes, around 80% of children grow out of it, usually by school age.

For soups I recommend Waitrose Italian Bean and Covent Garden Spiced Morrocan Chickpea - both dairy free (there are several other dairy free fresh soups if those don't take your fancy).

MrsApron - goats milk has almost the same proteins as cows milk, so the fact that goats had the same result doesn't mean that it was lactose. (The similarity of the proteins is one of the reasons that it is now illegal to sell goats milk formula in the UK).

Oooh, thanks CSWC, I've had that chickpea soup before actually, it's lovely. I'll be going to waitrose today then. Have woken up with that horrible feeling of not looking forward to eating anything, extraordinary how much my life revolves around food I hate the suma olive marg on my rye toast and the oat milk on mesa sunrise cereal, sigh. Mantra. 'Must not be selfish and think of lo's skin, must not be selfish and think of Lo's skin...
The one thing I loved just with not eating wheat was a flapjack, don't think they do those dairy free! Bought green and black maya gold yesterday too. Ate the whole thing

interesting about the proteins csws.

What about my dd's ability to tolerate limited natural yog or hard cheese? That was one of the other reasons i thought lactose. (am genuiniely interested btw)

Ooh - had overlooked the fact that you are also wheat free Carrot - it must be a right pain then to find that there's something else to add to your list of forbidden foods!

MrsApron - my guess (and it is just a guess) is that your dd's intolerance was reasonably mild. When you re-introduce dairy, the order that it should be done in is fromage frais, yoghurt, cooked cheese, cooked milk, cheese, milk, cream (not sure where butter is supposed to fit in there at the mo). This introduces the least likely to cause a reaction foods first, and the most likely last. Was the hard cheese you gave her cooked, or did you try cooked milk? And I'd be really interested to know if you tried lactose free milk? I've never tried it with dd, but am fairly confident that she would react as she does to everything else.

That is v interesting.

Cheese not cooked. Just chunks of mature chedder but she still reacted to it until about 18 months. From then on i just had to be careful not to give her too much (cheese yogs)over the week to avoid a reaction. don't think i id try cooked milk.

You know I think i did try lacto free milk but it was ages ago and it can't have been a success. hmmmm. dd1 slept so badly for so long there is a lot of haze over the first 18 months.

lol - I know that feeling!

Hoping dd will start to outgrow it soon, but she had a bit of yoghurt last week and sadly did still react. Am clinging onto hope gained from people like yourself who have outgrown it (at least in part) before age 2.