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Anyone with a small or slowly growing baby being bothered by HV/GP, read this NOW

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welliemum · 09/03/2007 23:37

J Pediatr Gastroenterol Nutr. 2006 Oct;43(4):428-32.

Rapid growth in infancy: balancing the interests of the child.

Weaver LT. Division of Developmental Medicine, University of Glasgow, and Royal Hospital for Sick Children, Glasgow, Scotland. [email protected]

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Low birth weight is associated with a number of immediate adverse consequences, and it has been assumed that "catch-up" growth is a "good thing" because "better" nutritional status is associated with greater childhood health and survival. The same thinking applies to infants who suffer malnutrition and growth faltering during weaning.

Recent studies suggest that the rapid postnatal growth of babies is associated with an enhanced risk for obesity, diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease and osteopenia in later life.

If this is true, it has implications for our recommendations for infant feeding. Insights from evolutionary biology, life cycle theory, animal husbandry, epidemiology and comparative zoology suggest that the energetic feeding of underweight infants should be considered in the context of the whole life cycle and balance the interests of the child with its likely fortunes in adulthood.

Before we revise our current recommendations, we must consider the meaning of catch-up growth, what it involves in terms of tissues gained (fat, muscle and bone) and to what degree association represents causation.

In the meantime, it will be prudent to balance the short- and long-term interests of the child by endeavoring to (1) optimize maternal nutrition and health, to avoid low birth weight, (2) breast-feed ideally, (3) consider birth weight, gestation and future "nutritional environment" when making decisions about infant feeding, (4) use appropriate growth charts, (5) avoid excessive postnatal weight gain, (6) think about the whole life span and (7) extrapolate from animal studies cautiously.

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welliemum · 09/03/2007 23:49

The OP is a cut-and-paste summary of a recent journal review. (I have the whole paper but the abstract I've copied here has all the main points.)

Basically (summary of the summary!) current research coming out now is suggesting that it's NOT a good thing to get a baby to pile on weight quickly, because that may cause problems in later life.

There are no studies looking at this exact point that have been going long enough to show an answer, but studies on related questions and studies in animals all seem to be pointing in this direction.

So the jury is still out, but if being hassled by HV to get your baby gaining more weight, and your baby is fine with no other worries, you could print out the OP and show it to them to get them off your back.

I'm spoiling for a fight here - almost considered taking dd2 to be weighed so I can whip out the article and say "Ha!" - they always give me grief as both my 2 are very long and lean.

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Kif · 10/03/2007 11:17

There was a study on longevity once that found that underweight rats lived noticeably longer than normal weight ones. Something to do with strain on major organs of processing extra food over life time.

Babies aren't turkeys - you don't measure success by the Lb!

yellowrose · 10/03/2007 16:27

Yes, babies aren't baby cows. I wonder whether GP/HV who recommend powdered cow's milk realise that human infants are NOT meant to grow as fast as a calf

I guess not.

sniff · 10/03/2007 16:32

thanks for this I got told off ! on thursday bcause dd is only on the 9th centile
HV is even sending out the 23 yr old nursery nurse with no children to give me tips on weaning

cant wait! me on my third child and qualified and I can now give her this

welliemum · 11/03/2007 21:52

Bump.... I really love this article and want everyone to know!

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CarGirl · 11/03/2007 21:55

bump - even though I gave birth to heifers so to speak!

satinshoes · 11/03/2007 21:55

this is good. my dd is on 9th centile and is growing ok but not v fast. hv has been ver supportive but not everyone is...

PavlovtheCat · 11/03/2007 21:56

My HV is coming for 8 month check tomorrow. I will be printing it off and passing it to her with the bsicuits!

funnypeculiar · 11/03/2007 21:58

excellent - dd's 9 mth check is tommorrow (although she is nearly a year - she's a complete runt (as am I!) so was wondering what to say to the 'do you remember to give her food...' comments. Now i know (reads like it's more about younger babes, but hey!)

charlottegeorgiaolivermums · 11/03/2007 22:00

totally ignore hv - all 3dc have been classed as under weight but all healthy and once they start solids they are normal according to those bloody charts.

PavlovtheCat · 11/03/2007 22:00

My Hv asks me if I am on a diet everytime I see her! 'Are you sure you are not dieting?'
Cant wait to see her reaction

PavlovtheCat · 11/03/2007 22:01

the chart I have is for FF babies and was told 'cant seem to get hold of any BF cahrts' so sod the charts, have not seen HV for months now. Tomorrow is first time for a while

welliemum · 11/03/2007 22:22

funnypeculiar

I remember being solemly advised to try to "give longer breastfeeds" because dd1 was tall but skinny.

Brilliant advice, thanks, I'll henceforth stop wrenching dd off the breast mid-feed while she wails pitifully [hmmm].

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yellowrose · 12/03/2007 08:15

If any of you is interested in looking at any charts at all (not that it matters) see the latest WHO charts. I posted it once before, if any one wants to see these please ask and I will post it again.

The WHO chart is based on a global pool of excl. bf babies and infants up to 1 year old. No mix fed babies or ff babies in these charts.

I only used the old WHO chart when ds was a baby, he looked a real porker until he was around 6 months old (excl. bf until 6 months) so just looking at him I knew he was ok.

I still found it useful to have a copy of my WHO chart on the 2 occassions that I went to see HV. I stopped seeing her after she dismissed the copy of the WHO chart I showed her. She was like a brick wall, so really didn't see the point of seeing someone so blinkered. I weighed ds at home.

yellowrose · 12/03/2007 08:19

Forgot to add that ds has always hovered between 9th and 25th centile on the Red Book chart, he just looked chubby !

At 2.8 yo (still bf) he is relatively short compared to other boys his age, has a slim body, but very healthy with a beautiful round face.

Don't forget genetics when you look at your babies. It is a huge factor, dh and I are not the tallest of people, so I don't expect ds to be a giant

satinshoes · 12/03/2007 08:38

yellowrose - please post the who charts. my dd is exclusively bf and dh and i are both pretty short so i'm interested

yellowrose · 12/03/2007 08:45

Hi satin - how are you and baby getting on today, is she feeding better ?

Will post WHO chart for you

yellowrose · 12/03/2007 08:52

Satin, this is for girls up to 2 years:

this

yellowrose · 12/03/2007 08:55

This is for little boys - weight up to 2 years

this

satinshoes · 12/03/2007 08:55

thanks yellowrose. dd is much better - she slept through and fed ok this am so it must have been tummy ache

checked out the chart and dd is on the 3rd centile - so diddy!!! i have bookmarked and will use this as it certainly seems like it will be more appropriate - thanks

yellowrose · 12/03/2007 08:58

Sorry forgot to say these charts are in kilos only. If you look in your Red Book there is a handy conversion chart for kilo - lbs conversion

yellowrose · 12/03/2007 09:00

That is absolutely fine Satin - she is just small like my ds

Glad she is better today.

PavlovtheCat · 12/03/2007 18:19

My DD 8 month check, 14.5lb, staying between bottom centiles, gone up almost three centiles in lngth, head a bit small.
Regarding slow growth, refusal to take a bottle and BF, and current enjoyment of food 'LO, you obviously prefer proper food to mummy's milk then' in a patronising tone. I wont tell you what she said about small head, as not weight related! Or might be...another thread perhaps...?

yellowrose · 12/03/2007 19:12

Oh Pavlov - FFS - what kind of rock do these people live under ?

welliemum · 12/03/2007 20:52

Why oh why oh why are people who use centile charts not trained to understand what they mean?

What is it with this belief that if a child's weight is on X centile, their height and head circumference MUST also be on X centile?

Do these people ever look around them on a busy city street and ponder the huge variety of sizes, shapes and types of build that they can see?

Or do they live in some parallel universe where we're all different sizes but exactly the same shape, like Russian dolls.

Aaaaaaargh! (Can you tell this is a favourite hobby horse of mine??)

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