6 month old not coping with dairy?

[pinkdolly]

hiya,
Apologies if you have read this in the weaning section, wasn't quite sure where to post.

Here goes...

I have been weaning dd for a few weeks now, and notice that every time she has even the tiniest bit of dairy that she poos all the way up to her neck (yeah, gross i know). its v,runny and v.smelly.

Thing is she is breastfed, her poos have always been runny, but i took that as the norm for a b/fed baby. I was wandering if she was lactose/dairy intolerant, but wouldnt she have had a reaction to my milk.

Also i want to start introducing the odd f/f, in case i need to go out. Should i buy a special brand not to interfere with her tummy.

Just a point, she is only about 13lbs, could it be that her digestive system is just too immature for dairy at the mo.?

thanx

Pink

of course leaving the stats. aside, parents are free to introduce known allergens such as cows/goats milk and dairy under age 1. but it is IMO always worth knowing that there MAY BE a risk that the baby reacts badly to them.

my son is now 2.7 and i have not given him any nuts. that doesn't mean that he will NEVER have nuts, i have just chosen to delay their introduction because i am not willing to take the risk (whether small or large) that he may have an allergic reaction

oh pink dolly what did you start!!!

7 children out of a hundred seems pretty common to me. Certainly a running theme in our families (me and DP).

Children often dont grow out of it, although more do than dont.

DD has just been retested recently and still has hers. Along with her nut allergy. Oh, and now she seems to have developed an allergy to cats and/or dogs.

i think, on balance, its best to leave off dairy products for up to 12 months as per WHO recommendations, because of teh research that shows a link between early introduction of cows milk products and allergies. If it can be reduced (and lets face it - babies dont need dairy products if they are on formula/breastmilk), but staving off dairy, then why not just not give it?

Hiya- Bet you'd thought i'd done a runner!

Jazz isn't well, fluey type thing and I am v, tired.

To update, I havent been giving her dairy for at least a week now. Her poo's are still quite bad. But then she has just got over chicken pox and straight into a bout of flu. So maybe that might be upsetting her tum.

I also havent limited my intake of dairy, so when Jazz is over the sickness I may have to see what happens and go from there.

The idea of formula feeding has gone out the window for the mo as she wont take a bottle. I would much rather express, I just get stressed out and upset that I dont seem to be doing well. And my girls are forever in want, so finding the time is tricky.

VVVQV at risk of being seen as pedantic, "babies don't need dairy if they are on formula/breastmilk" - formula is made from cow's milk. Let us not forget that, although I admit that dairy intolerant children may- digest formula better than other dairy products.

The milk intolerance that adults have is a) perfectly normal in non-western-european people and b) something that only starts at around age 7.

Well, I didnt want to go in to tremendous detail, however, formula is fortified, highly processed and the cows milk protein molecules that get 'stuck' in the bowel are far more broken down and so less likely to get stuck, and thus, less likely than 'straight from the cow' products to cause the start of a reaction.

That said, my DD was/is on soya formula, many people use goats milk formula, and as I said, b/milk is absolutely all the milk they need in the first year. Unfortunately, b/feeding isnt always possible.

Good to hear from you pinkdolly.
Nothing wrong with a bit of healthy discussion - don't let it scare you off .

Sorry to hear that your dd has had chickenpox and now flu - yukkity yuk.
Would love to hear how you do get on if you try excluding dairy from both of your diets once she's better.

QV - do you know much about goats milk formula? Have been using actual goats milk on dd's cereal for the last couple of weeks, but think she might be having a very mild reaction to it, and just wondering after your post whether she might be better able to cope with goat formula. She refuses to touch anything with Nutramigen on and I'd love to find an alternative that would mean there was some possibility of me giving up or at least reducing bf in the next few months.

I'm pretty sure goat's milk formula has recently been made unavailable. Or at least I've read that.

That being said, I've seen it for sale recently, so who knows?

Bah! Any idea why NQC? Not that it matters - if I can't get it I can't get it, but just curious.

Here is a page on it. The page says it's because it's not suitable for children with a cow's milk allergy, nor for those with a lactose intolerance.

Thanks NQC. How frustrating that they are basing all of this on infants under 1, and yet I'd like to give it to my dd who will be 1 in a couple of weeks. Still, the reasons given appear fair enough.

Can't see me ever getting my dd to drink milk not from source!

has anyone heard about soya not being suitable for boys as it may cause them to be sterile?
i had read a few posts on mn about it and when i mentioned it to a locum dr today he told me i was being silly , hes never heard of it and he gets 3 journals a week and they havent mentioned anything about it!
i was fuming when i came out, i need tio speak to my normal gp but hes away for ever it seems..

soya is used very successfully in Japan by menapausal women instead of hormone replacement - so yes there is a strong link between soya and hormones - but not sure if it makes boys sterile - may be there is a study somewhere if you google ?

gp's aren't very keen on anything "alternative" and soya is always seen as something used by hippies, so i am not surprised your locum had that reaction

Yes I've heard that worleygig - they think it may affect girls too, but aren't as sure as they are for boys. If you take a look at the article that I linked to early on on this thread, it mentions it there.

My hv had a fit when I mentioned that I'd bought some soya formula to try dd with (before we'd seen the paed) and advised me of it then.

According to the govt Food Standards Agency soya formula is not recommended unless prescribed by a HP. Hth.

Great link suedonim.

Particularly like the quote 'Milk allergy and cows' milk protein intolerance are common in babies and children.'

My DD's soya milk is on prescription from GP. I should probably have mentioned that

hiya, nice to see this thread still going.

A quick update. I took Jazz to the doc's today and she has a chest infection, which is apparently quite common after chicken pox. She is miserable and grouchy and not eating a thing now, just b/feeding. And she is still doing horribly runny, smelly poos and has sore bits because of it.

Can a chest infection cause that (doc didnt really say much)? Or is it time I take a serious look at my eating habits?

The only real dairy I eat is actually milk, do you think it mite be worth swapping to goats milk for me? has anyone tried it?

Swapping to goats milk isn't likely to be enough I'm afraid, as it's too similar to cows.

Try rice or oat milk for a couple of weeks and see if it makes any difference. If it does then you could then try soya milk and see if she is still ok (wouldn't try soya initially as it's such a common allergen itself in milk intolerant babies).

I know you say that milk is the only dairy that you eat, but watch out for 'hidden' milk in processed/ready prepared foods - it's staggering how frequently it is included.

Obviously if she's refusing solids because of her bug then don't forget that she will have runnier poo anyway though!!

great link!! i have printed out the soya info and am going to drop it in for the locum gp i saw yeaterday. Seeings as he reads 3 journals a week and hasnt heard of anythig as silly as that!!! silly old man, i work in the nhs and if thats how some patients are treated then i can see why people get misdiagnosed or things are missed.

we had a free sample sent to us this week for a heinz banana breakfast. it has milk powder in but i thought seeings as ds2 can eat a biscotti with milk powder in i would try him on a little bit. he ate 2 tablespoons, whihc he loved, but literally 5 mins later he was sick, i got him to the sink intime, but i guess thats a nother thing i will have to watch. is it the higher concentration of milk powder in things does anyone know that they react to?

worley - I gave my son a ready made jar of rice pudding when he was around 7 months old (Organix I think) - it must have had powdered milk or formula in it (he had never had formula or any other kind of milk apart from breast milk before) and within 10 mins. he was doing projectile vomitting all over the bed.

He didn't have a problem when I made home made porridge or rice by mixing it just with water or breast milk, so it must have been the milk in the ready made jar.

So yes, I think some babies are just not made for any kind of animal milk.