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What should my husband tell people about my breasts?

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macneil · 12/01/2007 00:56

After six weeks of trying to get my baby to latch on, I feel further away, not closer. I spend more than 3 hours a day pumping, and hours sterilising the pump equipment, all the bottles, preparing feed, feeding her, burping her because bottles make her gassy, etc, and have absolutely no time to do anything.

Meanwhile, female colleagues, friends with babies, are asking my husband lots of questions about how we're getting on. He knows I'm very sensitive about all this, and don't want to admit a) she's living on formula b) my breasts are strange and that's why she won't breastfeed c) we're fractious and exhausted and depressed. If he says something like 'I'm afraid I don't want to talk about that' he'll sound weird, but he knows I don't want him to share all of our problems with people. But I feel like people should also cut him a little slack - he didn't take any paternity leave because he's an academic and no one can cover for him, and he's taking on some of the non-stop bottle factory slack, doing all the shopping etc, while working full time.

I wish this sort of thing weren't just something people talked about - it is my breasts, after all. I thought we'd be able to keep it from my parents in law, but obviously I had to keep vanishing every 3 hours to pump, and then reappearing with small amounts of breastmilk which we'd then decant, and obviously there were bottles everywhere. Fortunately they didn't talk to me about it, they were very understanding. But I wish people didn't have to know.

OP posts:
100PerCentCod · 12/01/2007 14:02

ye si hated expressing too no fun and no bonding

io brest fed ds1 through agony
and gacve up with ds2 then fed agian wiht ds3 so dont think that one failure is you doen for.

donnie · 12/01/2007 14:04

why is it anybody else#s business??

AitchTwoOhOhSeven · 12/01/2007 14:04

poppynic makes a VERY good point, you know...
i write a blog thing and there were a few of us talking about mix feeding and we decided that our days in the beginning went thusly: "feed, pump, drink a gallon of water, wash all the blooming fiddly bits of the pump along with the bottles and teats etc, sterilise, put all those bits back together, feed, pump, drink a gallon of water, wash all the blooming fiddly bits of the pump along with the bottles and teats etc, sterilise, put all those bits back together, feed, pump, drink a gallon of water, wash all the blooming fiddly bits of the pump along with the bottles and teats etc, sterilise, put all those bits back together, feed etcetera etcetera"

In fact, i think someone else came back and reminded us we'd forgotten to put in 'administer ten lashes' as well...
there's not much i can do except sympathise about the guilt thing, because i felt it too and know how weird and shit it is. But it does pass, and now i rather can't believe i did take it so much to heart... time is a great healer. but the sterilising thing? Ditch it. Especially if you've got a dishwasher... changed my life .

AitchTwoOhOhSeven · 12/01/2007 14:06

oh i do like cod when she's being cuddly. it's a good point about not bfing one baby meaning you're done for, mcneil... i'm feeling much more clued-up for if i get pregnant again.

100PerCentCod · 12/01/2007 14:41

even post delivery with ds3 i said no farking way
and hse made me have a photo breastfeeding him
i am grimacing
BUT i did do 7 months in the end

jabberwocky · 12/01/2007 14:51

mcneil, bfing went all wrong for me too when I had ds1. I expressed for a year but mixed fed from 7 months.

Are you sterilizing the equipment each time? It's not really necessary, ime. I just washed and rinsed quickly with hot water. There are also quick wipes now for this. I haven't used them yet but have bought some for when I go back to work.

Do what you can, lie to people who don't have sense enough to know that it's a personal thing and they shouldn't ask about it and above all, give yourself a break you're doing a great job!

AitchTwoOhOhSeven · 12/01/2007 15:13
AitchTwoOhOhSeven · 12/01/2007 15:14

ffs - A YEAR of expressing!

shonaspurtle · 12/01/2007 17:47

I'm having some of the same problems as you but not a severely.

I just say we're getting there and change the subject. Don't think they really want to know the epic tale of my rubbish nipples - and it's none of their business anyway.

Had my fingers burned a bit by having a bit of a pity party to a so-called mate who just told me to give him a bottle and pull myself together (not those exact words obv) .

Well done btw .

poppiesinaline · 12/01/2007 18:07

When people ask just say 'oh yeah, normal tribulations with newborns, you know, but yeah fine thanks' and smile sweetly.

I am sorry to say this (and will probably get shot for it on here) but I would put the baby onto bottles. Happy mother = happy baby. Life is too short imo. You have given breastfeeding a really good go and its not working for you or her. Thats not your fault its just one of those things. Don't beat yourself up over it. Honestly, it sounds like you are going through shere hell and I truely believe bottle feeding will make it so much easier for you.

Not breastfeeding will not mean that you won't bond with your baby.

fruitful · 12/01/2007 18:23

Its not just your norks, its your norks, your technique, the baby's mouth, the baby's technique, the presence or absence of an R in the month...

I bf'd my first baby (who refused bottles) and then switched to bottlefeeding at around 8 weeks with my second. Between me and ds, we just couldn't do it.

And I'll get shot for this, but ooooh bottle-feeding was lovely! I'm going to try to bf the next one because its better for them but I did like bottlefeeding.

jabberwocky · 12/01/2007 18:24

thanks aitch! I just wish I had known about MN at the time.

Poppies has a good point. If it is interfering with you enjoying your baby, consider ff. Life is too short to be miserable.

fruitful · 12/01/2007 18:25

Oh, and yesterday morning I stood in the school playground and waved my little darling off for the first full day at "big" school. And you know what? No one asked me if I'd breastfed her.

Hang in there, do the best you can for your little family, and sod the lot of them!

cece · 12/01/2007 18:31

YOu have probably tried this already but I had troubling latching both of mine on and used nipple shields. DD for 8 months and DS for 4 months when one day he jsut did it without me trying!

Ellaroo · 12/01/2007 18:34

Another one thinking they might be shot down but I think you've done brilliantly expressing for so long and your baby will have undoubtedly benefitted from it hugely...but you must be exhausted (I know I would be, I found all the pumping bit so exhausting that I'd rather have stayed at home and fed them myself than get an evening off if it meant having to pump before hand.). With my ds I only fed him until around 12 weeks (had fed my dd for much longer - well over a year) and I think it's a very middle-class thing to find it hugley embarrassing and awful the very idea of feeding your baby a bottle of formula, let alone anyone else actually knowing about it and I remember feeling painfully embarrassed infront of my in-laws and my own parents the first time they saw me feeding ds a bottle - however, I think that the mother being happy, not stressed and as rested as possible is more important than anything. My dd who never had a drop of formula and my ds who was mixed-fed from 3 weeks and then formula fed from 12 weeks are both equally healthy and happy. I felt so much better once I had let myself off the hook with breastfeeding and just got on with enjoying my ds and letting him have formula...formula-feeding was indeed possibly one of the best decisions I made in his early childhood (although I know every argument in the book for breastfeeding and completely agree with them all), but I think when it's that hard it's possibly taking some of the enjoyment out of parenting. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. By the way - I never once had a bad reaction to bottle-feeding - anyone who knew me well knew that I was doing the best that I could. .

Amiable · 12/01/2007 18:42

Macneil, just want to add my support.

I had wanted to BF and knew it would be hard, but the reality of it was a huge shock. The main issue for me was that I hadn't really thought about DD having to learn what to do - all of my mental preparation had been about me being able to BF, so when she didn't latch on I was totally thrown. I only did 6 days before moving to formula so have lots of admiration & respect for you for persevering.

Agree with what a lot of people here have said, other people don't have to know. Just remember you can be as b*tchy as you like to them - they'll only blame it on hormones anyway!!

Amiable · 12/01/2007 18:48

BTW - dropping the BFing was definitely the best thing for us - I literally felt as if a big weight was lifted, and I could enjoy being a mum, and spending time with my lovely DD.

You mention that you currently feel further away from your DD, not closer - maybe you really should consider formula feeding, and drop the BFing. As Kaz Cooke says in her book "Kidwrangling" - your baby's relationship with you is far more important than your baby's relationship with your breasts.

pointydog · 12/01/2007 19:19

oh cod, you are back!

macneil, haven't read any other threads about your breasts but you sound miserable and ashamed. Bottle feeding is ok, you're failing no one.

100PerCentCod · 12/01/2007 19:20

hoorah for commons snese

monkeymonkeymoomoo · 12/01/2007 19:32

Hugs to you Macneil, don't beat yourself up - us mums are very good at the guilt trip thing I'll echo what everyone else says, its no-one elses frigging business. If people love and care for you they will respect your choices and like others have said it is a small part of your babies life.

Finally happy mum = happy baby

hercules1 · 12/01/2007 19:39

Has anyone got a link to that site which says what benefits the baby has gotten from each week of breastfeeding? I think that would make you feel good about what you've done so far no matter what you decide.

Goodasgold · 12/01/2007 23:06

Probably if your Dh told his favourite friends/colleagues that you were struggling they would open up to him, and, when he realises that being an academic doesn't prevent you experiencing difficulties with bf you could make some more informed decisions, or feel a hell of a lot better about what you have been doing.

ninja · 12/01/2007 23:16

I think the fact that you're still expressing very impressive. There are all kinds of reasons babies find it difficult to feed (tongue tie etc). So maybe if you don't want to focus on the formula say you're feeding her expressed milk. I would have thought most people would realise how amazing that is.

Shivs1974 · 12/01/2007 23:24

Hi Macneil
Really sorry to hear you're having a tough time. I've replied to one of your posts before and if you remember (though I know what the haze of life with a newborn is like as I'm going through it myself) I exclusively expressed for a year.
I know how tiring, time consuming pumping is and how it can take over your whole life.
I tried to be as open as I possibly could to people and explained that dd1 just wouldn't latch. I wanted to educate the healthcare professionals in my area to prove that it was possible - I'm a fairly stubborn person (a trait that dd1 has obviously inherited as she refused to latch!) and really did it to prove a point. I took each day at a time.

DD2 has managed to latch on - and I really thought that it would be impossible as I'm rather well endowed. However I haven't found bfeeding easy. 7 weeks on I'm still going - but there are days when I say "Right, that's it, I'm going to pump" - it's what I know, and I know how to handle life and a pump - if that makes sense, rather than a baby who's struggling with my forceful letdown and is v windy.

I am a firm believer in a happy mummy equals a happy baby. You need to do what makes you happy. You are doing a fantastic job.....I hope these words help.

JennyWren · 13/01/2007 00:20

Hi MacNeil. Hope things aren't going too badly today. I do know how you feel, because it took our daughter until she was 7 and a half weeks old before she learned to breastfeed. Until then I expressed and exclusively bottlefed and it is damned hard work. You spend the time bottlefeeding, then the time settling, then the time expressing - and then it is back to square one. I felt devastated that we couldn't do such a natural thing - I had expected to feel sore and need help to sort it out, but not that it wouldn't work at all!

I was given some excellent advice in Oxford - our problems stemmed from the fact that DD had a tough birth and neither of us were 'with it' enough to get started for pretty much 24 hours after she was born. By this time the midwives were a bit overenthusiastic with their help and DD just got scared of it - she became a classic reast refuser. Even spending 2 whole days a week camped out with the expert midwives I found in the end, it still took weeks to calm her and teach her that it was a good thing. And then within weeks she wouldn't touch a bottle!

None of that is actually answering your question, but I felt as if I was the only person in the world this had ever happened too - and none of my local midwives or my NCT breastfeeding councellor had ever heard of anyone trying so long and succeeding, so until I finally found the experts I did, I felt so alone.

Friends and family did care and so they did ask. I just made it all about DD and said that she was struggling but we were getting good help. Eventually I was able to say that we were making progress. But there is no need to go into more details unless you choose to. And usually, I didn't choose to. No-one was rude enough to press me - and those kinds of friends I didn't need. Most acquaintaces are only asking to be polite anyway - they don't really want the details!

I was determined to persevere and DD did eventually click - no specific reason as far as I could see. I think that she did eventually just get big enough for it to be feasible. But I set myself tiny targets - first, I said I would make it for a month. As I reached that month and was trying to convince myself that formula couldn't be such a bad option, she suddenly stopped screaming when I put her within a mile of my breast. Still no actual feeding, but progress all the same - that was enough to keep me going for another 2 weeks. At six weeks I was trying to work up the courage to accept it and give in, and she suddenly took her first feed - only one side at one feed, and that was it for nearly a whole week, but progress again. So I said 2 more weeks. I just about came to terms with giving up when at 7 and a half weeks she woke up one morning, I tried her, and she took it. It did take a bit of fiddling each feed after that, but I never had to do another expressed feed again.

So it can work. But it might not, and you can't uess when it will if it does. So keep trying as long as you feel you can and then do feel ok about giving up trying - it is OK. We had a golden rule, which was to try every feed, but if (when!) DD became upset, stop trying straight away - no need to add more distress to an already bad situation. Just have another go next feed. Eventually it became routine to her, and by the time she physically could, she would IYSWIM.

Please try to go easy on yourself and remember the one advantage of bottlefeeding - you may still have to express while you're away, but if you can build up a small stash of milk, baby and bottle can happily stay with her grandparents/other trusted carer whilst you have a little it of relax time for yourself - and you do deserve that!

Hope that helps. I don't get on here very often, but I'll check back in over the weekend if you want to chat.
Jen