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Infant feeding

Get advice and support with infant feeding from other users here.

SUPPORT thread for Formula Feeders

177 replies

riab · 13/11/2006 10:34

Hi everyone, I'd like to start a thread for people who are forumla feeding or who plan to Formula feed.
Whatever your reasons are for choosing to formula feed they won't be questioned here. This isn't a thread for long drawn out debates it is a place where you can ask advice from other parents on topics like;
whats the best sterilisation method
different brands of formula
weaning of bottles
etc

riab
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oneweemite · 13/11/2006 22:05

pudding77 sorry for asking question then disappearing, incredibly annoying computer broke again so had to wait for dh to get home to fix it. your question seems to have been answered but i was just going to add that when i was on antibiotics things tasted different so that might be part of it.

xmasstocking, asked hv that question and she said it's the water you go by. i stumped her by asking if that meant the cartons of 7oz were really 6oz!! still don't know that!!

TiggersBestFriend · 14/11/2006 08:40

Just want to say I am also very grateful for this thread. I experienced masses of guilt when I stopped b feeding but am pleased to say that DS is a happy, healthy and thriving baby which goes a long way to making me feel better about my decision.
He has been on no.3 teats for a couple of weeks now so don't think that is the problem with his not wanting to drink his bottle. As others have said, maybe just not as hungry as usual? To pinch your mantra "I must not stress, I must not stress"

fortyplus · 14/11/2006 09:01

Something else for anyone wanting to bf next time...
Get the baby latched on within 30 mins of birth.
I had total nightmare with ds1 who was given a bottle of formula so didn't try bf till 12 hours old. ds2 latched on at 15 mins old & we never looked back. I wish someone had told me that with ds1.
There are a lot of advantages to bf in terms of convenience - and the nappies don't smell horrid.
So if you're happy with ff then you sure as hell shouldn't let anyone make you feel guilty about it - your baby will be just as happy & healthy as anyone else's - BUT don't be put off having a go at bf next time if YOU want to.

mumfor1standfinaltime · 14/11/2006 13:07

xmas - You didn't offend me or anything! Just commenting on how different our little ones are with how much and how often, have read my post again and I don't come across very well lol!

Would also like to add that bottle feeding can be just as close and intimate, I often fed ds close to my bare skin with bottle.

xmasstocking · 14/11/2006 13:15

Mum - I have to agree with you as you get amazing eye contact when bottle feeding which I don't think you get with bf - plus, everything I read about bf says to arm yourself with tv remote,book, magazine etc whilst bf whereas with ff, you cannot do anything else but focus on your child - even if it is just for 10 minutes.

riab · 14/11/2006 13:30

okay trying to catch up!

sorry if these questions have been ansswered already but here's my two pence worth

re how much to feed. I went for the 2.5x weight in lbs but that was only cos DS was slow to gian weight. If your bubs is gaining weight fine and sleeping through the night - well at least 11-6am then they're getitng enough to eat.

re: what feed to start with. I'd go for a feed immediatly before a naptime if you have a long lunchtime nap that mght be ideal. Then providing there's no upset tummy you can add in the 11pm feed within a few days.
We shifted across at 5 days old and I just started with the 3am feed so DH could do it! no upset tummies at all.
Oh and we use SMA gold - now onto SMA red.

re: temp of feeds. I found that DS prefered to take the bottle cold, yes it can be a bit of a hasssle keeping the bottle cool but its better to keep milk cold anyway. He still prefers his milk and all other drinks to be cold. that way you can make up 24 hrs worth and keep them in the fridge. I used to have a bucket with ice in it and store his bottle for overnight in that, also though if you take a bottle out of the fridge and keep it by the bed unopneed it will stay cool and ok to feed for 4 hrs.

Tigger re fussing on bottle: we got this badly at 5-8 months. We tried all kinds of things and tbh it was probably bad wind! Gripe water we used to give him before every feed, we messed around changing formula which I would NOT recomend - it just confused him. the thing that helped the most was feeding him in a dim quiet room. I think at 4 months+ they are geting more active and more interested in their surroundings. If you think about it you wouldn't digest your food well if you were half concentrating on other things or lookign around in between bites!
It made feeding times a lovely quiet relaxing time for us both.
Check your teats as well, after 4 months the holes will have gotton larger through wear and tear and milk may be coming too fast - or possibly too slow. Get a new set of the variable flow teats. I found DS liked the slow - medium flow teats, with the fast ones he would suck hard and get half drowned poor lamb!

Finally: re volume, i count the volume once you're past 4 oz! So yes a 7 or 8 oz of water + scoops equals closer to 9oz.

phew.
riab
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riab · 14/11/2006 13:33

gah - missed one:
Xmasstokcing i agre with you. When FFing I can't do anythign but hold DS - maybe watch Tv but i certianly can't read/drink/eat/

I have to admit when i see BFing mums out and about putting baby to breast and carrying on chatting i wonder just why FFers are given such a bad press about 'not bonding' as well?

At 19 months DS still has 2 bottles a day cuddled up in my arms with no distractions, complete one-one time with me for 15 mintues each feed.

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lulumama · 14/11/2006 13:34

riab- re temperature of feeds...to clarify....

It is not ok to leave formula out of the fridge for 4 hours...it is one hour max...and new guidelines say each feed should be made with freshly boiled water, cooled for 40 minutes....Mears did a link on this recently.

this is not always practical , especially at night.....

the way to get round this is to use cartons of premade milk

lulumama · 14/11/2006 13:36

making up formula feeds

riab · 14/11/2006 13:37

Lulu I did check this with my HV and GP and they said its 1 hr IF OPENED. If you make it up sterile and then put in fridge you can take it out and leave it UNOPENED (so still sterile) for up to 4 hrs at normal room temp.

They were very specific and certian - I asked because I was going on a long trip.

Of course if you are worried an easy way round it is to buy a mini cool box for the bedroom to keep things cool. And i admit i never used to elave bottle out for more than 2 hrs until DS was 6 months old.

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pudding77 · 14/11/2006 13:50

I used one of those avent thermos bags overnight which would keep the bottle cool out of the fridge for up to 4 hours. Then I would have a flask of hot water to heat it up. Of course now, knowing better I would just have the bottle of warmed water & the powder ready to mix!!

fatfeet · 14/11/2006 14:12

lulumama

with respect, the guidelines regarding making each feed up fresh each time are there to protect us but the old guidelines stated that it was perfectly acceptable to make up 24 hours worth of bottle feeds in one batch as along as they were stored in the main body of a fridge and any unused ones thrown away after 24 hours. I have not yet met a ff mum who makes up each bottle fresh each time. They'll no doubt pop up posting like mad once they read this though.

I asked midwives and health visitors and even the formula company via their advice line but no-one could explain why the guidelines had changed except to say that as people are more and more likely to sue for "bad advice" (don't you just love the "blame culture" taking over) so they had revised their guidleines in case people were tempted to use that last bottle which had been made up over 24 hours ago.

I always made up bottles once a day with my first baby (following the guidelines in place at that time) and decided to continue to do so with baby no 2. So far we have not experienced any problems and the staff at the nursery I use have not queried that I provide them with a days worth of made up feeds to put in their fridge and use throughout the day that baby 2 is at nursery.

Guidelines also say that you shouldn't heat feeds up in a microwave, citing the possibility of hotspots as the reason for this advice. After a couple of sleep deprived near misses with baby 1 and boiling water in a jug I decided to use a microwave and shake the bottles really well after heating. Again the guidleines are there because not every one is careful and the relevent authorities need to minimise the risk that babies might get scalded.

I was also aware that a feed had to be thrown away one hour after being warmed up and I figure that as saliva from the baby's mouth have presumably transferred to the milk in the bottle once you start feeding I can see the logic behind this advice. As for removing a chilled bottle from the fridge and leaving it for up to 4 hours before giving it, my risk threshold probably wouldn't let me do this but I'd certainly be comfortable leaving it in a cool room for a couple of hours and indeed have done without any adverse effects.

Guidelines are there for good reason (there some people who need to be protected from themselves and following guidlelines to the letter is ideal for them) but parenting experience is also great for learning about shortcuts.

lulumama · 14/11/2006 14:16

fair enough......i take your point...

i have an issue with leaving milk out of the fridge for 4 hours...so i commented....

and my parenting shortcut is to use ready made cartons...!

so i don't think i said to blindly follow the guidelines!

fatfeet · 14/11/2006 14:29

Having perused the guidelines in the link I'm unclear as to why it's O.K. to keep the water hot/warm in a flask without having some sort of check to ensure that it is still above 70 degrees celsius when you come to use it plus there is no advice on cleaning/sterlising the flask.

It's also subject to another grey area in as much as the kitchen at our old house was freezing in winter (no heat source in the kitchen) and the water in the kettle cooled down much more quickly
than it now does at the current house. Bearing this in mind, how hard and fast is the 30 mins rule ?

P.S. Am I alone in my use of a microwave to warm up the feeds ?

xmasstocking · 14/11/2006 14:33

Fatfeet - afraid I am too scared to use the microwave - the sccary info about scalding babies mouths has put me right off - I even panicked at a service station when DH had to use the microwave to heat up a bottle cos the bottle warmer wasn't working - but that is the way I am - always like to follow the rules (although even I make up 24 hours worth of feeds in one go - as if you can boil the kettle 30 mins before, and sterilise each bottle for each feed )!

lulumama · 14/11/2006 14:33

that is why i suggested ready to drink formula as no issue with water / flasks etc..! i am not saying i think that is the way to do it...but those are current guidelines..

pollypeachum · 14/11/2006 14:33

fatfeet no your not - i used a microwave to heat up DD's bottles before switching to room temperature feeds. i took the view that shaking them would dissipate any hotspots!!!!

mummaj · 14/11/2006 14:34

All of my friends who had babies DD's within 2 months of me (9 of us) FF & warm in the microwave, however due to the different wattages we have found it difficult to prepare notes! I tried it once and ended up tasting the milk myself! (which was disgusting) and then found DD prefers it at room temperature so dropped the warming and continued with cartons as opened!

mummaj · 14/11/2006 14:36

One of my friends swars by warming them 5 seconds at a time and shaking vigorously testing each time... Have not tried myself so???

fatfeet · 14/11/2006 14:37

God yes, thank heavens for cartons, it must have been sooooooo much more stressful with out ready mades.

My mum was very scathing about the cost and laziness of cartons of ready made milk until she had baby 1 to stay for the night when he was 4 months old. He was unusually hungry at his 10.00pm feed and downed the whole bottle I'd left in the fridge for that feed. She said his little face crumpled when he reached the end and he started to cry with some force so she was very relieved to be able to quickly open the carton I'd also left by the cot, bung some in the bottle and carry on.

mummaj · 14/11/2006 14:39

I always thought the little extra cost was worth it...especially when my MW told our ante natal group it was the only way to ensure a sterile feed.

fatfeet · 14/11/2006 14:43

At least with microwaving you can leave precise instructions for crap husbands and pretty much ensure that baby will get the feed at pretty much the same temperature as he'd normally have it.

Every time we increase the feed sizes I have to revise the instructions through trial and error and the first new bottle of an increased size is done in 5 second bursts over and above the previous time needed to heat it up.

mummaj · 14/11/2006 14:50

LOL! They still find ways to mess it up! Or just wind you up haha!

fatfeet · 14/11/2006 14:50

mummaj,

I fear she was exaggerating to possibly make breastfeeding seem a safer alternative.

What if the scissors used to cut open the carton had bacteria on them or your hands did and you had touched the pouring area of the carton or what if the bottle wasn't properly sterlized for some reason and whilst waiting to be used some bacteria had started to thrive in a bit of moisture therein ? All of these thoughts have crossed my mind at some time or another.

We do need to be aware of the NHS bias towards breastfeeding because it is best for baby. I think it would have been better for her to say that breastfeeding is the only way to do away with worries about sterile feeds.

fatfeet · 14/11/2006 14:52

Yes we all also need to be aware of the crap husband "but I don't know how " ploy.