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Breastfeeding nightmare- anyone with a similar experience that turned out ok?

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lilac3033 · 28/05/2015 12:22

This might be a long one but it is stressing me out!

My DD is 3 weeks old and we have struggled with breastfeeding from day one. She was born to term and a healthy 8lb 2. I only used G&A in birth and no real issues during. I got some skin to skin time and tried to get her to latch but it didn't happen. I also ended up getting stitches which took about 1.5 hours and my partner held her skin to skin during this time.

Once I got to the post-natal ward we tried to latch again. DD wasn't having any of it and the midwives said she needed formula top ups from the get go. Obviously being tired and new to all this I allowed it, despite being aware that babies really only need colostrum. The colostrum was hand expressed and given to DD by syringe, along with top ups. I spent two days in the hospital trying to work on feeding. She managed to latch twice at the end of the stay with a nipple shield.

Once we got home the latching stopped completely. I express as much as possible (8 times per day including after night feeds) and we topped up with formula, using a cup or finger feeding. I started going to the local breastfeeding clinics (2 per week!). Tried biological nursing, different positions, with and without nipple shields. I tried looking at ways to get her to latch on. Basically she could get her mouth open enough when she is crying or yawning, but put a breast near her mouth and she just doesn't open enough! She is also very impatient and would only attempt for a couple of minutes before screaming for food. To the point of turning purple, at which point I always stopped trying as I don't want her to associate breastfeeding with stress!

The breastfeeding clinics have been helpful and she always manages to latch on there and get some milk, however she still takes a full top up afterwards. They just say it will take time. They also advised us to start her with bottles around 1.5 weeks, ensuring she is either upright or laying down with the bottle at a 90 degree angle, so she does have to suck to get any milk.

Finally after two weeks of this she managed to at least latch, however it is an awful latch that is bruising my nipple and she doesn't sustain it for too long. So now at least most of the time she is getting something, even if it is only a couple of mls.

A couple of days ago she actually managed a decent latch at home, in fact three times that day! She fed for about 15 minutes but still had full top ups after. However she hasn't done it again and seems to be less patient than she was. There is improvement but I am just afraid it isn't meant to be.

All of this is causing a lot of concerns for me. I don't want her on formula at all, so I am trying to express enough but on a good day only manage half what she takes in. I am also taking Fenugreek and eating oatmeal daily to try and increase supply. Expressing is really time consuming as well at least 3-4 hours per day. I've had my partner with me for 3 weeks and he has one week left of paternity. After that I'll have my mum for about 10 days.

I am also concerned she will realise the bottle is just easier for her and stop trying at the breast. She already calms down immediately when my partner puts her into the position for bottle feeding and frets half the time she is given to me for breastfeeding.

Has anyone else had a baby like this and been able to establish breastfeeding? All the difficulties I see online seem to be about bad latches or tongue ties. I don't see stories about babies just not being able to latch at all to start (unless they were premies). I am not sure how I can sustain this on my own, once my partner and mum are away. My midwife said at 2 weeks she would have given up. I don't want to give up and I want it to work, but I am feeling pretty alone with these difficulties. None of the other mums at the clinics seem to need top ups constantly or have struggled this much with latching. I could just use the knowledge that someone else has made it work!!

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notquitegrownup2 · 28/05/2015 12:31

First of all, congratulations for getting this far. You are doing brilliantly in making sure that she gets some of your milk, so that her immune system is boosted. It's hard work, isn't it?

I was in the same situation as you. DS1 just wouldn't latch on. I was lucky with a brilliant breast feeding clinic and spent three days a week in there - he would latch on there with a bit of help from the staff, and then inbetween I expressed as much as I could and used nipple shields a bit as he would latch onto those. The clinic didn't advise them, but it kept my spirits up as I felt as if he was nursing.

We battled for six weeks before we managed to latch without help. For me there were two issues - I was pushing his head forwards as I brought him in: solved by not putting my fingers at the back of his head, so that it flopped back, as he came in for the latch and second, I learned to touch his bottom lip to the nipple and then as he opened his mouth to "whoosh" him in quick, as he only gaped for a fraction of a second. (Whilst remembering to bring the whole baby to me, not just to push his head in.)

As I say, it took us 6 weeks before I could feed him at home. I nearly gave up several times, but was so glad that I persisted as we then kept it up for years! Hadn't planned on extended feeding but it worked for us.

HTH - there will be others along with expert advice (look out for Tiktok) and in the meantime, don't let it get you down. Remember, you are doing brilliantly.

(Watching videos online may help. We finally got the latch right, when sitting opposite another mum, and watching her latch her baby on - I found if I mirrored her action it worked!)

Oh, and oodles of congratulations on your baby.

Whiteshirt · 28/05/2015 12:37

No advice, as I had no milk, and despite struggling for two months to establish any kind of supply, had to give up - just admiring your grit and determination, and saying I remember how miserable it was to struggle when it seemed that everyone else I knew was having an easier time. Ironically, my son had an excellent latch, only there was nothing to drink.

Whatever happens, well done. You're doing wonderfully, and in between being exhausted and stressed, you should spare a moment to feel proud of yourself and your commitment.

lilac3033 · 28/05/2015 13:56

Thank you both! It is good to hear it's not just me. I committed to giving it six weeks before she was born and I while didn't expect it to be easy, this is definitely most difficult then expected! I have a clinic tomorrow which usually makes me feel better about the whole situation!

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TarkaTheOtter · 28/05/2015 13:58

Has anyone checked for tongue tie?

MaximumVolume · 28/05/2015 14:05

I second Tarka's question. Your experience sounds just like my DS1 who had tongue tie, diagnosed & divided at about 6 weeks. DS2 also had tongue tie but it was more the traditional mangled nipped & mastitis! Sad

Where (roughly) are you?

Congratulations on the little one, and we'll done for sticking with the breastfeeding! Flowers

lilac3033 · 28/05/2015 15:10

She has been checked for a tongue tie, at the breastfeeding clinics (two different ones in Edinburgh). In fact she was checked by two different people there and potentially by my midwife as well.

I can't see anything but I know they can occasionally be hard to spot. Can thrush affect feeding as well? I am beginning to think that is another problem! I'm going to ask at the clinic tomorrow.

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stargirl1701 · 28/05/2015 15:17

Have you been to the La Leche League Meeting at The Pregnancy & Birth Centre for assistance? Join the FaceBook page for the Edinburgh LLL group.

There is an IBCLC in Edinbugh now too.

IssyStark · 28/05/2015 15:20

I had slightly different problems from you (too much milk meaning baby couldn't latch/had a bad painful latch and lots of green nappies) but we preserved, went to lot of drop-ins, read Kellymom religiously etc etc. It took us 7 weeks, including a bout of mastitis before it final just clicked one day and I realised the pain has stopped.

I just wanted to say it can take time and huge kudos to you for sticking with it.

wackel · 30/05/2015 04:13

Sounds almost exactly like the experience I've had with my daughter. It definitely sounds to me like there is a tongue tie. My daughter had an obvious anterior (front) tongue tie at birth, which was snipped at 10 days old. After that, I thought we'd be sorted with BFing but it continued to be a massive struggle. Due to persistent slow weight gain - never any weight loss I hasten to add - GP even used the phrase "failure to thrive" and referred us to the consultant paediatrician, which had me bawling my eyes out. We'd already succumbed to formula top ups after each BF yet GP told me to go on to formula exclusively. I was so determined to BF however that despite people telling me there's no shame in giving up etc and maybe we'd be happier all round, I knew I'd be even more upset if I stopped BFing entirely.
Anyway, it took a chance conversation with one of the HVs at my local BF support group, after I was in floods of tears yet again due to her disappointing weight gain, for her to diagnose my daughter with a posterior tongue tie. My BF experience had been very much like you describe with the added snags of slurpy, clicky and leaky feeds, crap and shallow latch, never satisfied etc etc. We finally got seen at a tongue tie clinic at 12 weeks (same day as her jabs bless her!) but it still took a good fortnight before we were able to drop the tops ups - my daughter started puking up the excess each time so was finally, FINALLY, getting enough from me. I could finally feel a successful latch, although it's sometimes still tricky even now at 19 weeks, so I just want to reassure you that it can work in the end. I would definitely try asking for a further professional opinion on posterior tongue tie though as it might well be that. If it isn't then at least you can rule out TT altogether.
I wish you the best of luck and well done for what you've managed so far. If you really want to keep BFing then don't let anyone make you give up. I still can't quite explain why I was so determined to keep going with BFing, especially when my other half was pretty desperate for me to give up as I got so frustrated and upset when it was going badly. Keep badgering people for support and I'm pretty sure you'll eventually achieve your dream feeding aim.
Apologies for the massive long post!!

Tiptoeshoes · 30/05/2015 04:36

Yes i had a very similar experience. Dd wouldn't latch, hand expressed in hospital, and went home after 3 days no further forward and using top ups. I hired an industrial double pump and continued to try to get her to latch but just as you described she would get so cross and frustrated at the breast and started relaxing for the bottle.

Everyone told me to stop trying but I persevered and at 4 weeks she reliably latched with a nipple shield and I just sat with her attached round the clock so my supply could be boosted by her. By 8 weeks we needed no top ups and never looked back. We dropped the nipple shield finally at 5 months and I fed her for over two years.

It was the hardest thing i have ever done. But totally worth those first few weeks for months of breastfeeding.

Good luck

lilac3033 · 30/05/2015 16:45

Thanks again for more stories; it really is invaluable knowing that I am not the only one!

Since writing I have actually found a position that she has latched on without too much pain and no stress on her part! She didn't feed for too long (10-15 minutes) but it's a step in the right direction. I'm going to get some treatment for thrush as the midwife at the clinic agreed that might be part of the reason why I am in pain despite the shields. I also got a hospital grade double pump last week to work on my supply why DD figures out latching. She is growing loads so hopefully as she grows she'll be better able to open her mouth wide enough.

I'll ask them to check about a posterior tongue tie next week at the clinic. I am thinking she won't have it as she has improved over time, it's just slow and we have occasional set backs!

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1403andherbrother · 31/05/2015 16:49

Well done not stopping even though it's been so difficult. I had a horrible first 2 months breastfeeding my DD. I remember being up half the night trying to get her to latch on, it was SO difficult. I had cracked nipples, mastitis that would not heal for weeks (the hospital I went to for help gave me all the wrong advice). For weeks I stayed in, topless because it hurt to wear a t-shirt. It was bad. My sister referred to it as "a calvary". But we kept going, and it was well worth it. She's 4 now and still feeds every now and then, and we both still enjoy the closeness it brings. Feeding my DS has been easy and natural and without the slightest complication. It'll be so easy one day, I promise! You'll learn to get better at it together day by day.

Loops81 · 01/06/2015 12:24

Well done for sticking with it, YES I found it a complete nightmare and so deeply upsetting to begin with (bad latch, pain, bleeding, mastitis, engorgement, thrush...the lot) but it did get better. I almost gave up so many times, but after 6 long weeks, almost overnight, it all fell into place. I've just stopped breastfeeding now, at 13 months. It was never easy to be honest, but I'm glad we did it and feel quite sad that it's over!

That said, if I had as much trouble with my next one I would just switch to bottle or mixed feeding. A few of my friends never managed to get through the tricky bits and their babies were (are) just as healthy and happy as mine. Whatever makes your life easiest and suits your baby is the best option.

FreckledLeopard · 01/06/2015 12:32

Have you considered cranial osteopathy? A few of my friends had similar issues with their babies and found that a couple of sessions made a huge difference in their baby's ability to latch.

Kennington · 01/06/2015 12:32

I used the NUK bottle tests which are slow flow for top ups

It took my daughter 6 weeks to properly latch

You can buy NUK on Amazon

Good luck

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