WWYD? 1 day old too much milk > colic & everybody crying

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X post with post natal but need specific bf advice too please...

Baby T (DS1) was born yesterday early morning. My birth story reads as bad romcom childbirth, I'm sorry... and worst of all, I feel ungrateful for feeling horrid about it... Please please don't flame me. I really feel for worst labours than mine but I really could do with breastfeeding support...

Was a planned HB that ended up at the hospital as we didn't have time to call the MW and taxi there was quicker. I transitioned in the bathroom for 15min thinking labour had stopped (2h mild contractions 5 minutes apart & dancing in the shower, just before we were at a restaurant with friends) and ended up with back to back pushing urges, a very calm DH and a stoical uber driver who just ran a red light at the sound of "I can feel the head". I'm just getting over the shock of what seemed to me the most primal, sudden and painful 15 min of pushing ever. I know they can be awful and I'm sensitive to ppl with long labours but tbh I'm off to the see a counsellor asap as I was forced on my back in stirrups (baby HB decelerations) and threatened with forceps.

Baby T was rather shocked too but spent his first 12 hours very alert and happy. Then the night came and hell broke loose basically. Must sound stupid to non FTM but I didn't know your milk could come in so early and I was left with massive leaking boobs, a baby that needed suckling all the time because of colic and colic made worst by all the milk he was having without me realising. I realise my chance, I do, he has an excellent latch and I have abundant supply but after 4 hours of him screaming bloody murder and me crying my heart out, trying to comfort him by walking up and down the corridor with stitches still very sore, the night MW took him to the nursery and gave him a paci!!! I felt awful. I still do.

Now I try to space feeding to a min of 2hrs (shamefully using a makeshift paci made out of a nuk firstborn teat) and I got my DH to bring the caboo close which helps. I've not put him down since 8am but he's back to happy between farts. He's not had a BM or urine since 6am though so I'm getting worried.

WWYD in that situation? I'm dreading the night...

My ds was very mucusy he was born by forceps as he went into distress. Mw said he probxbly had a headache for a while.
I know what they said about winding a bf baby but he used to do huge burps and farts.
I also couldn't express much either but I think that's quite normal.

Ok, skin to skin in the sling and nursing on demand, I'll build a pillow fort to keep bad advice away.
He's got a pampers with the line that says whether he's peed or not so I'm confident about that at least. But he sweat quite a lot today, I had forgotten you had to take a layer out when in the sling...
Ok I'll do that tonight, concentrate on him and report back in the morning
Again many many thanks

Feed feed feed, my ds slept allnight first night in this world and then ate for what felt like 14 days straight, little and often, change sides if you feel like one side is done as baby won't know to De-latch themselves, if you are worried re per use a cotton wool ball at next change and leave in to see if it is damp after a few hours, otherwise to check now you can use a scissors to cut into nappy and check if there are any crystals,

Keep going you are off to great start!

X post, don't rely on those change colour nappies, cotton ball for few hours, or cut nappy is more reliable and will give you reassurance you need,

It can take a couple of weeks for the baby to have a better awareness of day/night.

Horrible if you're in hospital and less free to sleep when he sleeps.

Mucous vomit pretty usual - ans was definitely the case more so with my fast deliveries than my first, slower to arrive baby. Dc3 was always pretty sicky tbh, until about 1yr!

I personally was v anti dummies until I had dd, my first. At about 2 weeks she was sooooo windy and uncomfortable. I had a very good supply, and she was a voracious feeder. Personally, I found that she would cry, I'd feed her, she'd cry. At about 2 weeks plus, I used a dummy to space feeds, as well as massaging her tummy, and feeding her in a slightly more reclined position. I always had to wind her, despite breastfeeeding. Fed until she was 13 months, and the dummy didn't disrupt her feeding, nor that of her younger brothers who breastfed to a year with ds1 and 2.5 years with ds2.

But it's very very early days, and the best thing at the moment is to have plenty of skin on skin, feed lots, and not necessarily associate posseting with an ailment. It's quite common really and some babies are sickier than others.

Fast birth = mucus = fussy feeds I discovered! This improves rapidly.

As PP have said feed little and often. My boobs were too hard and round at times so I would just squeeze a little out into the sunk or a muslin to help baby latch. Just a little though. Sometimes she'd feed for 10 min, stop for 10, then back on.

As for "colic" I reckon every new baby hollers at night for mum. It's what they do. With us it lasted 3 nights and if there's one thing my dd can do its sleep between feeds at night! There are various methods to deal with this: safe Co sleeping, side cot or sleepyhead on the bed next to you, doing 3 hr "shifts" with a sling. All get you through those few nights then baby will get calmer. Part of that calm is getting used to being fed on demand so being less fearful of the new food/world situation!

By 2-4 months most bf on demand babies i know are in a settled pattern (as it can seem like this will never happen) with fixed bed time and 1 or 2 feeds a night only.

I had very quick deliveries and it is such a shock. I certainly hadn't considered it could happen with number 1, although had considered every other possibility. I think it is possibly a shock for the baby too.
All my 3 breast fed babies needed winding.
All of them were offered a dummy and it didn't stop them breastfeeding for as long as we wanted.
I found it was worth handing them over to DH to see if he could settle them as he didn't smell of breastmilk.
It sounds like you're doing well- I think I remember feeling just like you do now in the first few days of having a baby.

who ever says that you don't have to burp bf baby is either been very lucky with theirs or not knowing about bf. My second one is on the boob now and if i don't take at least 10 min to burp her she'll soon be screaming in pain. With my first one i had tons of milk and every time baby tried to feed she got showered with milk. I was told to go and hand express in the shower when the feeding time came close and it did work wonders obviously you can't do that every time you need to feed but it might help. Also check what you are eating, fizzy drinks and certain foods can cause wind in babies as well. I hope things will get better for you x

How on earth would fizzy drinks cause wind

Some good stuff here, some not so good.....:(

It's no wonder you sound so shocked and upset....what a day you have had.

Your baby cannot have colic - babies of a day old have not had the time to demonstrate the repeated and prolonged behaviours of colic.

I am shocked that anywhere would permit a dummy in a baby of this age, and worse, a home made dummy :( :( France is not known for its maternity service support of breastfeeding, but this is ridiculous....and to tell you not to feed because you are making the 'colic' worse....awful.

After such a sudden entrance into the world, your baby is likely to be even more in need of the closeness, comfort and soothing effect of your body and your breast.

Just feed, and keep your baby close, and you will prob find you calm down together. Check the urine - it's more likely you are not able to be aware of the urine if he has a super-absorbent nappy on.

Milk sometimes does come in as early as this, but the easiest way to comfort is just to feed your baby.

Hope tomorrow is better and you have a good night.

And of course fizzy drinks cannot cause wind in a bf baby of any age. If you want a fizzy drink, have one :)

I recommend a small champagne

Lol at the fizzy drinks- I got this nonsense too. It was only after my brain emerged from the fog that I realised it was unlikely baby would have carbonated BM .

Reporting from the frontline :)
My DS has skin to skin fed plenty from both boobs for a very long time with loads of winding pauses that made a huge difference I think. He's now smiling in his sleep, farting away but without screaming. I've made him a little protected area in my bed for cosleeping after reading the guidelines so that I can bf him more easily later.
In the end, I think basic burping and skin to skin is the answer for me tonight - something the MW should have said to me (and I knew but forgot...)
I'll let you know how the night went, thanks for additional answers (the fizzy drink made me laugh!)

Hello,

We had a great night thanks to you. I was in a panic and you made a huge difference. I'm grateful.

He spent about 3hrs out of 6 feeding but the burping was miraculous. I realised we had not done skin to skin yet as I was so shocked after the birth and it was not facilitated by anyone in the delivery suite (he was already swaddled when I got him back). So we've caught up on that, and will carry on :)
Have a great day everyone!

Excellent news! Fast labours are tough too, especially with a first baby. Accept all offers of help you get from friends, eat lots & try to rest when you can

I very much recommend you make the house warm, strip baby down to his nappy, and you lie in bed with him, topless if possible or with something very loose on and just snuggle and feed all day. Get DH to bring you food and drinks and do changes. In fact he can come into bed too if he wants. Do nothing else. Your baby is the most important thing in the world right now! Don't feel you need to get out, or "get back to normal" etc - this is your new normal for a little while.

So glad for you that things are improving! Well done

Ps did you say you are in france? Google la Leche league France (can't post a link for some reason!) the La Leche League is a breastfeeding support organisation and in case you need any more help / support its worth checking out their contact details, find out if they have any bf groups / counsellors near you.

So pleased you are happier

Like another poster said, just stay in bed for now - all you need to 'worry' about is getting to know your new baby!

Interesting reading about fast births = mucusy baby. My dd2 was super speedy in her arrival and had a lot of mucus, culminating in an...interesting...3rd day when it all cleared out . I had never made the connection with a fast labour.

Have a wonderful day enjoying your darling ds and champagne

Bf support in France is pretty crap. On the whole you are better off ignoring advice from the nurses on the ward, they talk rubbish. A lactation consultant may pop by your ward but at my local hospital, for example, she only goes by once a week which is pretty pointless. For decent help once you get home try the pericultrice at the pole mare/enfant - they usually know what they are talking about.

Congratulations on your little one!

Cuddles I remember beinG warned about the mucus straight after my speedy birth! That is was gross but usually harmless.
Which it was. Boak.

I wish I was warned squizita , I think dd1 had mucus suctioned out when she was born, I'm not sure if that was routine or because they put her under the 'grill' straight after she came out (they were useless, never explained what was happening). So i dont remember any mucus problems at all.

With dd2 she was quite bunged up from the start and on day 3 she suddenly had so much mucus come up at once that she was choking and couldn't breathe and was turning blue I have honestly never felt fear like it, we called 999 in such a state, it went on for what felt like forever. It makes my blood run cold just thinking of the panic, I just wish we were warned about what to expect, there was so much of it. She was absolutely fine after that -although she aged dh and I by about 20 years (and the lovely paramedics who ran so quickly to our door that they were almost purple )

There's never been anybody else that I know have that happen to them, don't worry OP! I hope you had a much more settled day today.

How awful. :( With my dd she just threw it all up over dh but not scarily.

I can't believe I'm writting this but I found out this evening his collarbone was broken during the delivery. So that crying night was probably about that rather than anything else and instead of comforting him on the boob I did what I was told... My heart is broken and I'm bloody furious. Thanks for the suggestions about LLL France I'll keep that in mind.

BUT we had a brilliant day, bf is established. Yes about the mucus tough, nobody warned me obv but it's not too bad now he's spent the entire day on either me or DH and we were able to help him caught it up every hour or so.

Thank you again.