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breast feeding and smoking!

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Evita · 12/04/2004 13:36

Dp's friend and his wife have just had a little boy who's now 4 weeks old. I don't know them very well and don't want to preach or anything like that. But the thing is, the wife smokes about 10 cigarettes a day and is breastfeeding. I've been trying to find out some information about what the risks are about it so that in some way I could perhaps hint to them that it's not a good idea but I can't find anything conclusive. There's loads on drinking alcohol but nothing on smoking. She says that the benefits of breastfeeding outweigh the risks of her smoking but I'm not so sure. Does anyone know anything about this subject?

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Evita · 13/04/2004 19:57

Rather strange logic toddlerbob! You make it sound like smoking's good for b/f.

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toddlerbob · 13/04/2004 20:12

It's not my logic, but what I meant was that if she knows smoking and bfing is still recommended over formula it's a way of justifing both breastfeeding and (sadly) smoking to herself. Oh, I'm not explaining myself at all well. Please don't get into a row with me, I understood myself at the time.

Evita · 14/04/2004 10:35

Oh, toddlerbob, not a row at all. Sorry if it sounded like that I actually meant it to be a humorous remark, should have added a .

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gemilou · 14/04/2004 10:47

blimey every one is a bit touchy this maorning

gemilou · 14/04/2004 10:47

sorry, morning

M2T · 14/04/2004 10:50

I think it's a seriously touchy subject in general!
I have given up smoking recently when I found out I was pregnant with No2, but I would never dream of putting it upon myself to inform a smoking mother of the dangers of smoking! Believe me.... the guilt trips are laid on pretty hard and fast about this subject. And I'm sure she is going out of her way to minimise the risk to her baby.

gemilou · 14/04/2004 10:54

has everyone gone for a cup of tea and Im talking to myself?

M2T · 14/04/2004 10:56

eh... no Gemilou.... I replied to you!!

gemilou · 14/04/2004 10:56

giving up smoking is one of the hardest things to do. But some people ignore the facts and carry on cos they dont think they will be effected.

gemilou · 14/04/2004 10:57

thank god for that i thought i was on my own

M2T · 14/04/2004 11:03

Gemilou - But I s'pose that's true for a lot of things though.... I know I shouldn't eat as much cheese as it increases my risk of heart disease, but I haven't cut down....

I am nearly 2 stone over weight.... I know that factor is increasing my risk of heart attack... stroke.... infertility.... and loads of other conditions.... BUT I am not actively trying to lose weight.

Unfortunately most people fail to realise risks until something happens to them, or someone close to them.... just human nature.

gemilou · 14/04/2004 11:04

I shall have to be more patient and wait for a reply

gemilou · 14/04/2004 11:05

Im the same, getting seriously over weight, but I am trying to sort it out now

gemilou · 14/04/2004 11:09

At least evita's friend is bfing and she doesnt seem to smoke very much

M2T · 14/04/2004 11:12

Well I'm pregnant and have no intention of doing anything about it at the moment!

Incidentally - my Mum smoked heavily through all 4 pregnancies and afterwards... she even had an ash tray beside her bed in the room where all her children slept from birth (disgraceful I know!! )!

She breastfed her 3rd and 4th (my little Brothers) until they were nearly 2....

However... all of us have asthma and excema to varying degrees! Just thought I'd mention that....

gemilou · 14/04/2004 11:19

breastfeeding does protect against asthma and excema, so if you do bf they shouldn't get it so bad

M2T · 14/04/2004 11:23

Not if it's genetic Gemilou.... that was the point I was making. The worst out of all of us for excema are my 2 younger Brothers who were exclusively breastfed until they were 2yrs old!

M2T · 14/04/2004 11:26

Oh dear, off on a bit of a tangent here....
back to the question at hand:

I'm a bit confused about this.... are we concluding that bottlefeeding a baby is inflicting more harm on it than smoking does????

WOW - I'm a terrible Mother then! I had problems breastfeeding and had to stop after a week.

gemilou · 14/04/2004 11:35

not at all we all do what we think is best for our children, you are a no worse mother then I am. sorry

gemilou · 14/04/2004 11:36

Even just a week of bfing is benificial, Im not trying to get at you... honest

tiktok · 14/04/2004 12:44

'Fraid it looks that way, M2T. It is better for a baby to be breastfed by a smoking mother than to be formula fed .

here's what LLL say

They don't offer proper references though....but it could also be that bf compensates for some of the effects of smoking:

this is an academic paper

oliveoil · 14/04/2004 12:51

oh please, so you can smoke round a baby but put away that poisonous formula? Getting off this thread pronto.

tamum · 14/04/2004 13:01

I don't see how you can isolate things like this. That paper is purely about brain development, but surely no-one would imagine that the major adverse effect of smoking around a baby was on its brain development? Surely cot death and respiratory diseases are far more worrying?

SenoraPostrophe · 14/04/2004 14:34

OK I'm going to get drawn in to this debate now (I was avoiding it).

Tamum is right that the effects of smoking and breastfeeding (whether together or separately) cannot be isolated. But equally the causes of all the things mentioned (cot death, brain development etc) cannot be isolated and this thread has reminded me quite how much I dislike the attitude that says you should not do anything which has been statistically connected in any way with harm to your baby.

No parent does everything they possibly can to minimise risk to their children. Household accidents are the biggest killer of children: so do we all live in bungalows with padded furniture? No. Because parenthood is not about doing everything by the book. It's about finding a balance.

Furthermore, I don't see why everyone compares everything to smoking, as if being a smoker was far and away the highest risk of all. It isn't - if Spanish statistics are anything to go by, then having a swiming pool is.

I certainly don't mean to denigrate anyone with a swimming pool (I want them to be my friends ). In fact, speaking of Spanish statistics, it is possible that even the link between smoking and cot death has been overstated. I would love to see a study on this, but as far as I know, cd rates in Spain are lower than in the UK, despite the prevalence of smoking being higher and the accepted advice being to put babies to sleep on their bellies. Other factors must be playing a part: perhaps diet or climate, or perhaps the fact that smokers here come from all classes - they are not concentrated in lower income brackets as they are in the UK. Equally on another thread someone mentioned that formula-fed babies in Europe don't seem to be as prone to gastro-enteritis as in the UK.

You may have guessed that I smoke and breastfeed, by the way. I do not smoke near either child unless outside, but I do smoke. It's not relevant but I smoke because when I gave up I completely failed to remove the mindset which says that smoking=stress relief - I know consciousl that it doesn't, but I personally deal with stress better when I smoke. I don't feel guilty about it really - I will give up some time soonish - but I do resent my habits being used as an example of something that is terrible to do as a mother.

I'm not looking for a fight (if I was, I'd copy and paste bits of this to an MMR thread), but as others have said, please don't feel guilty if you didn't breastfeed or didn't do everything that people told you to. And please don't be smug if you did.

I feel better now.

Heathcliffscathy · 14/04/2004 14:38

Great post Senora.