organic formula milk - ready made

[cristaltips]

Anyone know of an organic formula which comes ready made?

nope. afaik there is none made

do you know that organic milk is allowed to be much more dirty than normal milk.i wd never ever feed dd any organic milk/yogurt.i am pro animal welfare and feel that organic milk production is very cruel.mastitis needs treating with antibiotics asap but have to try other methods first in organic herd.

i';d rather give ds nothing than non-organic milk.

full of all sorts of crap

www.omsco.co.uk/index.cfm/organicmilk/WhyOrganic.AnimalWelfare

worth a read
and as they say, mastitis does not have to be treated with antibiotics. it doesn't in humans and there is no reason why it should in cattle.

the fact that they have better welfare anyway means that they are less likely to suffer diseases too

kayzed, hipp is good but it has to be made using warm water. Not that big an issue but it's far easier if you're out and about to be able to take a bottle of water and add the formula. we used cow and gate organic which was good.

A typical non-organic herd uses seven times as many antibiotics as an organic one. Despite this, organic cows have no greater incidence of mastitis than those on a non-organic farm.

yeah we were brought up on unpasteurised milk (grandpa had a farm) and we're all still alive to tell the tale lol

dont want to cause upset but basically milk is graded on how many cells are in it.normal non organic milk is banded on how clean it is, organic milk can be dirtier i.e contain more cells than a milk that wd not be allowed to be sold from a non organic milk.you ar right milk is pasteurised but the number of white cells indicates amount of subclinical mastitis. organic herds are of course more likely to have less mastitis as they are on the whole smaller and one type of mastitis is managemental. however unless you are a vet/farmer please do not say lightly that mastitis does notneed antibiotics, it is hideously painful for these cows to be milked and really they do need abs. farmers are squeezed very tightly on profit with milk and antibiotics are expensive.most badly managed farms that used to rely on abs have gone.british farmers need support, i wd rather buy milk/meat etc from britain where i know the welfare is good.

btw 'organic' is not a measure of welfare and should not be mistaken for it

I have no idea why you're on about british farmers. I buy organic milk from a british farm.
I have also not said that just being organic means that welfare is a certainty, but most organic herds are smaller and do have better welfare (not milked as much, not given drugs to make them produce mor, not overcrowded etc etc)
It is a FACT that if caught early mastitis does not necessarily need antibiotics. As with humans it can be treated without the need for AB's.

As you say yourself "organic herds are of course more likely to have less mastitis"

thus the number of white blood cells in the milk is therefore not necessarily going to be any higher in non-organic milk is it?

oh and just because you buy something from Britain does not mean that welfare is good either.

1. soil association actually does specify mimimum standard for animal welfare.

2. Does hipp organic not come ready made? Or am I thinking of the growing up milk?

3. organic farmers are "allowed" to use antibiotics, but they have to justify their use each time and so use them far, far less frequently.

4. number of white blood cells indicates that the cows are fighting an infection themselves, rather than just killing the infection with antibiotics. Does not specifically indicate mastitis.

5. All milk is full of cells, [confused emocion] did you mean white blood cells?

hairy i was only saying about british farmers because i did not want anyone to think i was having a downer on farming. yes the soil association does have minmum standards on welfare but they are not higher thsn any normal farm wd be operating at.i think the 2 points that we have to beg to differ on (not just directed at hairy here) is that i strongly feel that organic herds absolutely do not have better welfare than non organic herds and secondly mastitis should be treated asap.i dont know about human mastitis so cannot in any way compare it to mastitis in cows as do not know what causal agent in humans is.also i am not (and hopefully no one thinks i am) a cow and am not repeatedly lactating/ being milked.
i think, and am not at all assuming anyody here is, that some parents panic and buy organic thinking that it has a wholesome image and must be better welfare and better all round standards. in the case of milk i would not give organic milk to DD or drink it myself.

kayzed, sorry to do a 2nd message but not enough brain power to remember all points in one message, i cant comment on BSE in organic herds as have not seen numbers of reported cases for organic/non organic.
you have a fair point that you like to treat things naturally but dairy cows are not at all in a natural set up.a cow has to have a calf to come into milk each time, dairy cows have been bred and bred and do not resemble wild counterparts. Their milk yield is dramatically higher and so the pressures on their immune systems are completely different.