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How long have people accepted low weight (newborn) before using formula (long)

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RainAndRoses · 09/03/2014 08:36

We are having a difficult time feeding DS1, who is now 11 days old, and I would value advice, and experiences from anyone else who's had a similar situation re: waiting a while during a period of poor weight gain before giving formula to a newborn.

He was born at 41.5 wks weighing 3.3kg, no meconium lost during the (home) birth, and he passed copious amounts in his first few days.

We thought everything was going well with feeding as he asked to feed often, and I thought latch on was good as had no pain (in fact latch pretty bad, poss partly due to tongue tie which we had removed at 6 days).

However he was down to 2.9kg on day 5 (12.1% loss) and at that point we realised he had not been getting much food at all. I had wondered on day 3 whether my milk had come in, as no sensation of this, and spoke to someone on the phone, but was reassured that it would. However when saw lactation consultant on day 6 she diagnosed breast hypoplasia, and thus it's quite likely I will never produce a full supply.

From day 6 we have therefore been doing 2 things intensively: 1) trying everything possible to increase my supply (cluster pumping with hospital grade pump in between all feeds, fenugreek and domperidone, trying to improve latch altho still not v good); 2) supplementing with milk donated by a relative.

Yesterday was my best pumping day, when I pumped >70ml. Key for me seems to be emptying very often, as my storage capacity is small. My supply is increasing but who knows what it will reach. We're supplementing with between 100-200ml donated milk a day.

Since day 7 DS1's weight has been static around 10% loss. He is being weighed next tomorrow morning and I think that is going to be the point at which we may decide to use formula. We are investigating getting more donor milk as that seems preferable, but of course who knows if we could arrange this in time. We had him checked by the GP yesterday who agreed he seems very well (good colour, tone, no heart problems etc).

He is doing 1 large mustardy poo a day and a few wet nappies. He is sleeping a lot, but also having at least two alert and awake periods each day. He's not getting very distressed at any point, although you can tell he is still hungry sometimes after breastfeeding from me (if he hasn't fallen asleep).

Am I too hung up about using formula? If baby is well how crucial is weight gain in the early days? Trying to balance the negative effects of formula on the gut vs the positive effects of calories on the baby seems a very difficult call.

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tiktok · 10/03/2014 16:36

plummy, the 10 per cent 'rule' is a non-evidence-based rule of thumb.

www.unicef.org.uk/BabyFriendly/News-and-Research/Research/Dehydration/Screening-for-hypernatraemic-dehydration/

onthehill · 10/03/2014 16:55

Just to echo kalisasa, and kitandkat, there is so much pressure to ebf, or even bf, I really struggled with my first. She was always hungry, wouldn't settle, she was latching on fine but I simply did not have enough milk. I spent the first three months of her life attached to a breast pump, sobbing.
With the next two, I topped with formula from the day after they were born, and happily and successfully combined fed them to six months each, then stopped cos I wanted to. I know this doesn't work for everyone. But I just wish someone had said to me, with my first, that it really doesn't matter. What matters is enjoying your baby, and looking after yourself. Formula is designed for babies, they do well on it, and my combined fed babies were and have been happier and healthier than my ebf one. Good luck xxx

Erroroccurred · 10/03/2014 17:27

Our hospital found that salt levels can't be predicted by % or appearance of baby once you get over 12%. 10% is a sign of feeding going well and has no association with high salt levels.

tiktok · 10/03/2014 17:59

The '10 per cent' rule should only be used in conjunction with a whole load of other stuff - as my link before says, the rule, if used, should be alongside "urine output, frequency and quality of stools and observation for lethargy or fractious behaviour. This should be monitored together with an effective assessment of the breastfeeding including feeding pattern, effectiveness of attachment and sucking pattern and breast fullness".

Just going by the '10 per cent' rule and none of that other stuff means a lot of babies will be readmitted into hospital unnecessarily, according to that research.

kalidasa · 10/03/2014 21:07

Hi rainandroses, glad to hear that things seem to be settling down a bit. Just to say that the v. reassuring book we used constantly at this stage ("Your Baby week by week") says for this week (which they call week 1 as there is a week 0!) that you should expect 8-12 wet nappies in 24 hours and 0-12 dirty nappies. "His immature bowels mean he may have a bowel movement after every feed, or he might only go once every other day - both are normal." For week 2 it says 6-10 wet nappies and 0-10 dirty nappies in 24 hours. We found the concrete numbers for every week incredibly helpful at this rather overwhelming stage!

soundevenfruity · 11/03/2014 00:27

I don't remember exactly but I was within 10% so didn't warrant an intervention. I had nightmarish first 3 months and was incredibly lucky to find a consultant who knew exactly what she was doing. Hopefully you will be able to enjoy your baby soon.

RainAndRoses · 11/03/2014 14:19

That's interesting tiktok, so is the weight loss monitoring mainly about avoiding dehydration?

Another positive weighing today (health visitor, so different scales, but 40g up from yest) plus finally did another enormous poo (before weighing). Things are definitely calming down. Dunno how long we'll be able to carry on exclusively on breastmilk but at least am no longer worried about DS's health, and don't think he's going hungry any more. Thanks plummy and onthehill for your experiences. Am definitely trying to do things other than feed/pump now, am even showered and dressed and hoping to go outside in a couple of hours!

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tiktok · 11/03/2014 14:55

In the v. early days, yes, weight loss is about dehydration, which if left untreated is very serious in a new baby.

It all sounds good - your baby's progress is def on the right lines :)

RainAndRoses · 13/03/2014 13:26

Hi everyone - quick update. Have had 2 weighings since Mon, both positive. Baby is now only 6% below birthweight, has put on 80g since Mon. Things feeling much calmer, now have donor milk in reserve so feels so much less fraught. Baby seems to be feeding longer and better on me so hopefully that's an indication that my supply is increasing. Thanks everyone for your support.

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tiktok · 13/03/2014 17:05

:) yay!

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