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Ff-ers: how to cope with night feeds... Tips for newbie pls!

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flopsybunny45 · 09/01/2014 22:31

Hi -

After battling with feeding my 4month old, our gp has put her on dairy free formula.
I am approaching the first night and dreading the 30min wait for the water whilst she's screaming for food.

Any tips of the trade out there??

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Twinsplusonesurprise · 09/01/2014 22:36

I put 120ml boiled water in a sterilised bottle in the fridge.
To make the feed I put 60ml fresh hot boiled water in second bottle and add 6 scoops (1 scoop per 30ml). Give it a shake and add the cold water from fridge to it then shake again and feed baby.
The powder is perfectly mixed and all is sterile but it's drinkable. (You can then leave it for 2 hours I think but I don't need to as DS doesn't have FF in night)
Hope that helps!

lilyaldrin · 09/01/2014 22:37

Can you not make it up with hot water and then cool it under the cold tap?

Fairylea · 09/01/2014 22:44

Make up bottles with hot water (freshly boiled). Cool in a bucket of iced water or very cold water. Put in the fridge. When needed warm for a few secs in microwave until Lukewarm and swirl VERY well.

Done this for two dc now and no problems whatsoever. The main thing is the powder meets freshly boiled water and feeds are not made more than 12 hours in advance and cooled really well and kept in a very cold fridge before use.

Everyone says don't use a mmicrowave but I always did. You just need to be super careful and don't heat too much.

Fairylea · 09/01/2014 22:45

(When I say make up bottles I mean literally add the powder and everything!)

MatriarchMommy · 09/01/2014 22:48

Im the same as fairylee. Except at night i make a fresh bottle boiling hot, take it to be an stick it under my pillow. It stays warm enough for my fussy ds2.

RedactedEdition · 09/01/2014 22:49

Mid evening, fill three bottles with boiling water (depending on number of feeds you do) up to an ounce less than you need for the feed.
Fill one bottle fully with boiling water.
Cap them all and leave to cool/

Take the kettle to bed, along with the formula.
When DC wakes, boil the kettle (2 mins) and top up a part-filled bottle to the right level, then measure in the formula and shake to mix. (1 minute)
Test for heat and, if needed, add either a drop more boiling to warm further or some cooled water from the full bottle to cool, if you overdid it with boiling.

You can buy small pots (Mothercare, I think) which hold a maximum of 8 Aptamil scoops. Perfect to pre-prepare the formula quantity when you are preparing the bottles of water ..... very helpful when you are half asleep at 2am!!

Good luck.

RedactedEdition · 09/01/2014 22:50

Apologies for repeating .... when I started the reply, OP was in Unanswered Messages!!

lilyaldrin · 09/01/2014 23:04

Are you adding the powder to hot water Redacted?

Twinsplusonesurprise · 09/01/2014 23:32

This is a very informative excerpt about the whole hot/cold water debate. (Bit long sorry but does explain it properly and you can then make your own choice)

It’s all very confusing. Is it bacteria living in the milk powder or the water that’s the issue? Or is it that freshly made formula is ok, but stored formula is problematic because the bacteria might have time to grow?

To try and get to the bottom of this I contacted the World Health Organisation (WHO), which published new guidelines on preparing infant formula in 2007.

The WHO says their main concern is a bacterium called Enterobacter sakazakii, which is relatively rare (it is estimated to affect one in 100,000 babies), but when it does strike, it is deadly in 20-50% of cases. During an outbreak in France in 2004, nine babies fell ill (most of them premature babies), and two died. Powdered baby formula was thought to be the cause. Contamination with Salmonella enterica (a bacterium that causes serious food poisoning) is also a worry.

Here’s what Peter Karim Ben Embarek of the WHO told me: “What is not commonly known is that formula powder is not a sterile product. Harmful bacteria like C.sakazakii could be present in the powder and multiply in the prepared bottled if left for too long. The use of hot water is to kill cells of C. sakazakii that maybe present in the infant formula powder.”

Although bacteria in dried milk powder won’t grow, they can survive for up to a year. And once water is added to the powder they will start to grow quickly.

Ben Embarek and his colleagues have done experiments to replicate pretty much every way of making up a bottle of formula milk (adding cold water; lukewarm water; hot water; storing bottles in the fridge; outside a fridge, etc).

They found that the two best ways of reducing the risk of infection are:

Preparing formula with water hotter than 70 ?C (this kills the bugs), and then cooling it by standing the bottle in cold water.
Once the formula has been prepared, drinking it ASAP
That doesn’t mean you can’t prepare a batch of formula in advance, but you do need to refrigerate it (and it would be safer to make a fresh bottle every time). Refrigerated bottles can be stored for up to 24 hours. You can also transport formula in a cool bag, but it should be used within 2 hours.

MatriarchMommy · 10/01/2014 07:32

I make them up 24 hours in advance, its easier an lo doesnt have to wait long for a bottle

BikeRunSki · 10/01/2014 07:40

Either use cartons and take an empty sterile bottle to bed with you, or take a freshly made bottle in a Fridge to Go. It used to keep bottles colder than my real fridge! Warm up under hot tap in bathroom for a few seconds. Handy for days out too. I used to take the chill off by putting bottles in my coat pocket or down my top!

flopsybunny45 · 10/01/2014 18:33

I'm confused about the idea of boiling water killing bacteria in the formula as in our prescribed formula - nutramigen - it actually says to leave the water to cool BEFORE adding formula... Confused

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lilyaldrin · 10/01/2014 19:27

Formula instructions usually say something like "boil a litre of water and leave to cool for no more than 30 minutes" - this is to achieve a temperature of 70c, hot enough to sterilise the powder but not so hot as to be a scalding risk/damage the nutrients. If you pour boiling water straight into the bottles, the smaller amount will cool a lot quicker than 30 minutes.

BikeRunSki · 10/01/2014 19:30

It needs to cool for about 20 mins or so. Boiling water won't mix with the powder too well, but below 70 degrees (about 20 min cooling) it won't kill bacteria.

HavingAnOffDAy · 10/01/2014 19:37

I used to do what Twins said. DS had reflux and the gaviscon seemed to dissolve better in just boiled water - which had the added benefit of heating up the rest of the bottle to just the right temp

babyfedleaning · 12/01/2014 19:59

If you have the dosh you could get a tommee tippee perfect prep machine. Takes 2 mins, works with all bottle types. Godsend for us, I recommend it heartily.

flopsybunny45 · 14/01/2014 17:06

Baby fed leaning...Will def look into thanks!
Since opening the thread, I've read on the tin that I can pop in fridge for 24 hours which is a godsend as I can prepare all night feeds! Maybe this is because it's non dairy?! X

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