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Breast feeding in public...

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rhio78 · 01/12/2013 14:44

Right, so I was just in John Lewis Cardiff with my family in the food hall where I was breast feeding my 11 day old baby. I know they have breast feeding rooms but to be honest who wants to be sat in a dull, tiny little room on their own staring at the wall for 40 minutes when you can discreetly (under a muslin cloth) feed the baby as part of a sociable atmosphere whilst enjoying a coffee with your family. I am not the most comfortable with breast feeding in public and of course would much rather be in the privacy of my own home. I am having some difficulty with feeding my baby at the moment as I have inverted nipples. For this reason I am always sure to be well covered as I am very self conscious about people seeing my breasts.
So, imagine my horror when I notice one of the young male waiters staring at me whilst I'm trying to latch my daughter on to feed. Not only that but he then quickly went over to another young male waiter and gave him a nudge and told him to have a look too. If that wasn't enough he then called over a third boy and said something along the lines of 'there's a woman over there with her tits out' along with an air punching fist gesture and an exaggerated 'YES!' This staring a whispering went on for some time with lots of slow walking up and down past my table whilst trying to have a good old look. The first waiter then went into the kitchen and then shortly after a manager appeared in the doorway and looked straight over at me so I can only imagine he'd told his manager there was a breast feeding woman in the food hall. It was at this point I started wondering whether I was actually doing something wrong.
When I had finished feeling my baby I decided to ask to speak to the manager. I started with 'As you're aware I was just feeding my baby at that table' to which he said 'Yes I am'. I told him what had happened and that I felt very uncomfortable to which he replied 'Well, I think the staff were concerned as we do have a breast feeding room that you can use and people do tend to complain when you choose to do it in here'. I told him I didn't want to use the room and I wanted to be in a sociable environment to which he replied 'Well, it does make people feel very uncomfortable'. I told him I thought it may be a training issue and that his staff should be taught to expect it to which he said 'Well I can have a word with the staff but I can't do anything about the customers staring I'm afraid'. The funny thing is that none of the other customers batted an eyelid, just his staff. I was quite shocked and upset and his response and still am. He didn't even apologise on behalf of them. Not what I expected from a family store and a company such as John Lewis. I love John Lewis and have always thought the staff there to be amazing on customer service and customer care. I feel annoyed and to be honest put off breast feeding there in future. As far as I'm aware it's not against the law is it? What sort of people complain about this?? Funny that no one would have pointed or stared or complained if I'd been feeding my baby powdered cows milk from a plastic bottle but the most nourishing, healthy and natural breast milk from a....SHOCK HORROR...naked boob well that's another matter!! Maybe if there wasn't a room where you had to hide this dirty act away that more women would have to feed in public and then people could get more used to it? Maybe if John Lewis spent more money on staff training instead of bear/hare cartoons I wouldn't have been made to feel so uncomfortable. I bet that bear was breast fed at some point in his life anyway and I bet his bear mum got her big hairy, milky bear nipples out and did it right in the middle of the forest where everyone could see!
Not quite sure what to do about this next. Obviously want to contact the store to complain. I'm so angry...grrrr...
Rhiannon

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NewBlueShoesToo · 02/12/2013 11:41

Poor you, I did have a few not so great BF experiences and I think I learnt to become a bit more blasé about it.
You should write to JL and explain what happened, they are normally very good.
My rule, but this was just me, was that I would only feed my baby somewhere where I would happily eat. So little rooms next to a nappy bin were off my list.
As you said, you were covering up with a muslin and there is nothing wrong with what you were doing.
I think we live in a sad age where younger generations have never seen BF and have no experiences of it. It is rarely shown on television or mentioned in school curriculums. It seems that boobs are solely thought of for sex and not food so changing attitudes is hard.

rhio78 · 02/12/2013 12:32

So, John Lewis emailed me this morning with this:

'Dear Rhiannon,

Thank you for your email to John Lewis.

Having read you email I am shocked to read of your experience in The Place to Eat. It is not acceptable for Partner's to stare when you are breast feeding.

I have escalated you complaint to the Department Manager of the Catering department and you will be contacted as soon as possible.

Kind regards'

I was more bothered about the managers attitude and the way he dealt with things rather than the teenagers staring but let's see what the catering manager comes back with. If it's the same guy I spoke to I'm not expecting much!! Watch this space...

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lilyaldrin · 02/12/2013 12:37

I'd reply and stress that you were particularly concerned by the manager's attitude, and reiterate what he said to you. It shouldn't just be dismissed as silly boys staring.

nancerama · 02/12/2013 12:43

How bloody rude of all of them.

I was in my local John Lewis last week and a lady asked an assistant where she could feed her baby. The lady was told where the parents room was located, but that she was very welcome to feed anywhere in the store and if she needed a chair they would be happy to bring one to her.

The Cardiff store is definitely letting the brand down with their sloppy and inappropriate behaviour.

PacificDogwood · 02/12/2013 13:04

Well, that's a start, that response, isn't it.

I agree, mail back to stress that you are less bothered about the yoofs (although they do of course deserve some enlightenment), but more concerned about how the manager on the shop floor responded to your complaint.

Well done for taking it further Smile

dyslexicdespot · 02/12/2013 13:28

Yes, thanks for taking it further and for updating us!

ColdTeaAgain · 02/12/2013 16:35

Well done, rhio Smile I agree with you in that the managers behaviour is probably the most concerning. The teenage boys were just being teenage boys, I'm not making excuses for them but lets face it, most teenage boys get giddy where ever boobs are concerned, whatever the context! The manager needed to show much more responsibility, respect and maturity about the situation. From his response I would have my doubts if he even mentioned it to the staff.

rhio78 · 03/12/2013 22:54

Sent this reply to John Lewis' email: 'Thanks for your response. I must stress that it was the managers attitude rather than the boys staring that concerned me the most. I have since found out that him suggesting I didn't feed in the cafe is against the law: 'In England and Wales theEquality Act states that it is sex discrimination to treat a woman unfavourably because she is breastfeeding.' I feel I was treated unfavourably especially as he said it did make people feel uncomfortable which in turn made me quite uncomfortable. If the manager you are passing my email to is the same one I spoke to yesterday I am not expecting much of a response and so it might be best if I contact your head office.
Rhiannon'
They sent back: ' Dear Rhiannon

Thank you for your response.

I have updated the department manager with your latest response, and can confirm that it is not the manager of the foodhall, but for the entirety of our Catering Department.

Rest assured that we do take matters such as this very seriously as the behaviour of the Partners involved is wholly unacceptable and besmirches the reputable name of John Lewis.

Kind Regards'

So am eagerly awaiting the catering managers email...

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ColdTeaAgain · 03/12/2013 23:58

Good work! Look forward to the update!

nickelbabe · 04/12/2013 21:28

ooh, that's good. it really shows you mean business and that they're taking you seriously

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