How much wind is normal?

[cogitosum]

Ds is nearly 8 weeks and exclusively Breastfed and has awful wind. He's on colief which has helped loads and he no longer has long bouts of crying but after every feed he fusses and cries, goes red, brings up his legs etc.

The biggest problem is that it isn't resolved by burping. I'll wind him and he'll often do a few burps but will still be gagging and squirming for hours after. He also brings up quite a lot after each feed. During the day he sleeps in the sling so it's not too bad as the wind just comes up but after his feed at night he doesn't properly go back to sleep as he's trying to bring up wind all night. It sounds like he's got hairballs! He farts a lot at night too and this doesn't seem to relieve him either.
Does this sound normal? I thought they'd bring up one or two burps after a feed and that'd be it but he can burp 4-5 times and still seems to have wind left!

I have an oversupply of milk and try to feed lying back (the night time feed is lying down) but we're still having this issue. It also means during the day he can't sleep anywhere but the sling as the wind wakes him up.

2 hours after a feed he's still gagging and bringing up milk!

Infacol etc does nothing.

He may have bad reflux, which you nee pd to chat to your GP about. He may also be taking in excess air during feeding...if I recall right, BF babies don't normally need winding as they don't take in as much air as a bottle fed baby.

Have you had his latch checked, and had a look for tongue/lip ties?

Definitely not tongue tie his latch is great.

I thought reflux as the coughing and gagging, spitting up and desire to be upright seemed classic symptoms but HV said definitely not which put me off going to gp (haven't had 6 week check yet as I'm abroad).

He feeds really quickly - he's normally done in about 5 mins and weight gain is good so I think that he's a guzzler. I also have a fast flow. I can express 4oz in 10 mins by hand and leak about an ounce on the other side every time I feed (I've been collecting it in shells). But I don't know how you can slow down a bf baby other than leaning back, feeding lying down etc which I do.

Sounds like over-supply which is often easily dealt with by reducing your supply - you do this by block nursing for up to 6 hours at a time (ie every time baby comes to the breast in that 'block' it's on the same side). Start with a block of 3-4 hours and then work up to 6.

This reduces the impact of a fast let-down, ensures the baby does not get huge volumes of milk and reduces the lactose 'overload' that can come with over supply and which causes exactly the spluttery, squirmy windy symptoms you are describing.

Usual thing is to try block feeding for a few days to see if it helps.

Good luck. Far better to try this before assuming any pathology eg reflux.

Thank you. That was recommended by a Breastfeeding helpline I called but ds hated it. He always has a preference for what side he wants and often needs to swap sides. He'll fuss and moan on one side and when I swap he's fine. The lactation lady I saw said that he knows what he needs and to go with it so block feedinb really doesn't work for us.

Sorry that makes me seem like one of those irritating people who ask for advice then disregard it but we had a week of hell trying that and it doesn't seem to work for him at all for some reason even though I can completely see thd logic

Cogito, you can swap him round, so he thinks he has swapped sides :) , so his legs point in the opposite direction, while keeping him on the same breast.

It's worth another try.

I've been trying this for a while now. Sometimes he's happy with just one side but sometimes he wants the other side and that's that. No amount of hanging position helps. Often he'll only have a few sucks on the second side but sometimes it's another proper feed ( incidentally it's never that the first side is empty. I'm never empty it's just he's had enough and will fuss and fuss on that side and scream until I put him on the other side). There's no pattern I can make out.

Oh and the over supply seems to be getting worse. In one feed last night I leaked 2oz from the other side. ( I'm collecting it so I don't need to express although so far I haven't given him a bottle yet so end up chucking it!).

He is still very windy and throws up almost every feed. Sometimes it's just possetting but a few times it comes right out with force. Not exactly projectile but not dribbling out.

Going to dr on Tuesday for late 6 week check (ds will be 10 weeks Saturday) but would like to go armed with suggestions if possible!