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Have to rant or I'll pop! I hate men and sexist companies!!!

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rosebea · 02/06/2006 23:01

"I officially still work for a very large mobile phone retailer and in the 5 years that I have worked for this company I have had two children and got married. During this time I have worked from 9:30am until 7:30pm five days a week and trained two managers. Am I a manager? No! My manager sits on his backside and does nothing until I get so fed up of the mess and customer care issues that have gone unresolved that I do his job for him. I have applied for our in-house management training program but was not approved as there were too few spaces available and the choice of people that got places was made on a length of service basis. I found this highly unlikely as one of the people I trained 2 years after I started work was put on the course before me. He is now a manager. A friend of mine who does not have children, started working for the company the year after me and is well on her way to becoming area manager told me, when I asked why I had been passed over, that they couldn't see the point in sending me because I was pregnant and couldn't give any commitment to my job as it was as I couldn't be specific about my babies arrival time! After the birth of my daughter I decided to take a years extended maternity leave the end of which is fast approaching so I called my manager to let him know that I was coming back, I have now been told that I can't go back full time as someone else has had my job and this new man doesn't have any family commitments so he's more reliable. I have been offered two days a week but can't choose which two days so it'll be both weekend days which are the only days my husband gets off. Have also been told that it wont be acceptable for me to express milk for my daughter in the staff room I'll have to do it in the toilet.Angry I am now spending every waking moment worrying about money and trying desperately to find a job as my husbands wage covers everything but food!Sad I have been turned down for two jobs that I could have done in my sleep, I found on both occasions that the interveiws turned sour after the mention of my two daughters.......... I can work as hard as the next person and I'm willing to, I just hate being over looked and passed over for jobs and promotions because I'm a young working mother. I was top sales person in the midland division for six months running and ran my branch single handedly for 4 years but that counts for nothing and you certainly can't have a promotion. There must be a rule book somewhere that says that once you give birth you have to remain on the shop floor for the rest of your life......... ....must have missed that page! I just want to work from home in a job that pays 300 pounds a month and doesn't involve talking dirty, is that too much to ask???? Any ideas gratefully received. "

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chipmonkey · 02/06/2006 23:08

See a solicitor? This is gross discrimination! And it's unacceptable to ask you to express in the toilet. AFAIK in the UK they have to provide you with a room with a fridge.

katiebl · 02/06/2006 23:12

I don't think that legally they can actually get rid of your job while you are on maternity leave. If they have told you your hours are cut then I think that counts as getting rid of your job. GO to CAB and find out. Even if you don't stay on there you are entitled to do this. Explain your situation to them.

This is undeserved discrimination and you have every right to feel very very angry. They are acting appalingly. Go and find out your rights and cause as much of a stink for them as you can. YOu deserve much better than this.

Don't have any ideas for any other jobs I'm afraid but hopefully someone else will.

LeahE · 02/06/2006 23:19

They aren't allowed to do that. Talk to a solicitor urgently.

edam · 02/06/2006 23:22

Chipmonkey and Katiebl are right, they are breaking the law. They can't just take your job away. See a solicitor/Citizen's Advice Bureau asap. Remember, compensation for sex discrimination is uncapped.

And, harsh but true, don't mention children at job interviews. Unless you are asked directly. And if they do ask, they will be in trouble unless they ask everyone and treat all applicants fairly ie do nowt with the info. If you feel you have been turned down for a job purely on the basis of having children, that's sex discrimination too and is also actionable. See the Equal Opportunities Commission website and the DTI site which has all the employment law on it.

rosebea · 02/06/2006 23:22

To be honest, I think it's pretty much an area thing. Friends of mine that work down in crawley haven't had any of this trouble. I really hope someone's got ideas because I don't know how many more jobsites/consites/jobs&careers mags/express&star and god knows what other stupid job thingies I can go through before I pull all of my hair our and rock in a corner for the rest of my days.........
......Actually I wonder how much the government would pay me for that? Grin

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rosebea · 02/06/2006 23:25

The thing is I'm not brave, I need the job for the time being and I know that they'll give me some work even if it's crap and unreasonable because they know they have too.
I would be too scared that I would loose and that no one else would employ me

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DaveTheFreeRangeHamster · 02/06/2006 23:29

Even if taking action scares you, go to the CAB. They will probably be able to help you write to your employers pointing out their obligations, and hopefully get you a better deal. If they think you might follow it up they'll probably back down.

threelittlebabies · 02/06/2006 23:29
Angry how very dare they

See a solicitor IMMEDIATELY. If they carry out their intentions, you will be rich with all the compensation they have to pay you. This is scandalous.

Search the \link{http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/choosingandusing/findasolicitor.law\Law Society} website for an employment law specialist in your area.

Do let us know how you get on- good luck.

tiktok · 02/06/2006 23:32

Sorry, I have plenty of sympathy for your anger, but rather less for your attitude that you are prepared to put up with blatant and illegal discrimination because, um....because you 'know they'll give you work even if it's crap and unreasonable'.

You can take advice for no cost at all, and you may win considerable compensation.

Why would you want to work for a company that treated you like this? Why would you want to work for any company that noted your claim against discrimination and held it against you?

I note you have daughters - this is not a good role model for them.

Fight!

threelittlebabies · 02/06/2006 23:33

You can take them to a tribunal for a discrimination claim without leaving the job in theory- practically of course it may be difficult.

Also- IIRC, and am on mat leave atm so may be rusty- potential employers cannot ask you about children or future plans for, as could be classed as sex discrimination.

LeahE · 02/06/2006 23:34

You would not lose. This is really basic stuff -- OK, you get the occasional case where the company is blatantly in the wrong but you think "hmm, it's a bit tricky, could I prove it..." but in this case they are sooooooo clearly breaching their obligations to you that it's open-and-shut.

rosebea · 02/06/2006 23:47

I know it isn't a good example for my girls and I've noted the number for the CAB and I'm going to call them on monday. But to explain a little, My manager has managed to "remove" 9 members of staff in 5 years. Three of us have been signed off with work related stress, we've made a complaint each and other people have complained on our behalves and it's just continually swept under the carpet. I have no proof, no phone calls taped, no emails, no nothing other than my teary trips to the docs.
The fact is I've got to put up with it for a while anyway even if I do start anything because we simply can't cope without the money and I refuse to stop breastfeeding my daughter. I'll just have to see what they say at the CAb anyway I'm off to have a cry. Thanks for the lovely support and I'll let you know how it goes monday. SadSmile

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LeahE · 03/06/2006 00:37

You've got the proof that you were working for them full time before you went on maternity leave and they are now telling you that they won't let you go back full time when you return from maternity leave. That's all you need. Yes, it would be good to get them on the promotions and other things as well, but you have them bang to rights on the full-time vs. two days a week stuff with no wriggling room for them (unless they cave and give you the full-time position and say that there was never any intention of really making you go down to two days a week, but then you've still won. Finally you've got them in a position where they have overstepped a very very very clear legal line.

CarlK · 03/06/2006 07:41

Rosebea, the others are right, its a clear cut case of discrimination. any solicitor would jump at the chance. A quick call to your head office in a nonconfontational way. "ie is this correct X has told me that I can only have my job back two days a week not full time, I thought that was illegal, there must be a mistake surely......"
Its likely the manager is unaware of this law.

Bottom line they sound like a bunch of to55ers and you would be well shot of them. Take the next job you're offered and dump them! it sounds like most companies would have you in a second.

please dont sit back and let them trample over the hard fought rights that are yours, think of the other women now and in future who will also suffer.

"All evil needs to succeed is that good (wo)men do nothing"

SoupDragon · 03/06/2006 08:39

I would write rather than call. Get stuff on paper.

tiktok · 03/06/2006 11:26

I agree - writing it all down as a record is important.

Please don't concentrate on the expressing milk thing. The law is much less clear cut on that.

suzi2 · 03/06/2006 21:17

Fight them. I worked for a company that discriminated against me because I was a woman and I let them get away with it. I got very depressed and eventually felt the only way to be well again was to leave. I was too ill at the time to contemplate taking it further, although I had a strong case.

Fight them now. And in my experience, there is no point in trying to be nice to them and trying to see their point of view or resolve things 'nicely'. Take legal advice on the matter and hit them where it hurts. Hopefully then it won't happen to anyone else.

PigeonPie · 03/06/2006 22:03

I read your post last night but didn't have the opportunity to reply - you poor thing. The only other thing I can suggest is to contact the Equal Opportunities Commission who, not only deal with racism, but also sexism. Hope this helps and keep strong - they are just WRONG.

rosebea · 04/06/2006 17:22

Thanks for supportive responses. I'm working like crazy to find another job, the only problem is apart from my sales experience I've got a bizzare mix of qualifications! (english degree, performing arts diploma, book keeping cert and I speak french & spanish pretty well so I'm an oddball to say the least) God knows if I'll ever be able to find a job that I can do from home that involves it all!

Have just been on the phone to my nan, to change the subject, I was telling her about all this and she said (ahem, plumby accent) "but darling, of course you'll have to express in the toilet, you couldn't possibly do it where someone may see you!" bless her........Grin

Why can't we just be rich?!?! Sad

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nicnack2 · 04/06/2006 17:29

agree with soup dragon re getting things on paper. I would write to your manager again saying that you are returning to your full time job at the end of your maternity leave. do not sya anything about your previous conversation. He must respond in writing. if he does not then you can ask that he writes expalining his propsal. meanwhile i agree that you should be getting intouch with the solictor pdq.

MissChief · 04/06/2006 17:31

tbh think the expressing milk problem is far too common - i've never worked for an employer who had a policy on this/designated (non-toilet) place to express. be realistic on that, it's short-term anyway and a toilet will do when it comes to it (speaking from expereince). But FGS do fight them on yr right to a similar job back (ie still full-time too), you'll win!

As for yr qualificatinos, well, youy're a well-qualified "oddball", so something will turn up but int he meantime, fight for the job you've got!

nicnack2 · 04/06/2006 17:35

thought of being a home tutor or seting up a drama school form home?

GarfieldsGirl · 04/06/2006 17:42

As others have said you must see a solicitor, or CAB at least. It is direct sexual discrimination. DO NOT put up with it. You need to make sur any grievances are in writing to your regional manager, failing that go to head office. This is a definite case for tribunal, they are not allowed to treat you in this way. They are breaking the law.

mears · 04/06/2006 17:42

You might find thid \link{http://www.hebs.com/services/pubs/pdf/Breastfeedingreturntow.pdf\booklet} helpful when discussing issue with your employer. All women are given this booklet at our hospital

WideWebWitch · 04/06/2006 17:48

Put it all in writing, NOW. Get a solicitor. It all sounds illegal and if it's a large company I involve the HR dept asap.