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Dysgu · 17/03/2013 10:03

This is really long - feel free to read it but do not feel obliged to work your way through this diatribe of what is going around in my head.

I think it has helped a bit to put it down in writing - and I think it will help to show DP later so we can move past this...

I started a thread last night asking for help in coping with huge, rock hard breasts. I got some really useful advice and was really grateful for it.

My DS was born on Thursday morning at the end of less than one hour of labour. I am not really sure if my body recognises the fact that he is out!

Anyway, I spent the WHOLE night trying different things to help get some of this milk out of my breasts. I have been expressing since DS was born but it was only at 6pm yesterday that the first dribble - maybe 1ml - of colostrum came out. I know this is fine as it is early days and the NICU staff where DS is in an incubator say my supply may also have been affected by my gestational diabetes as well as the stress I am putting myself under trying to express, spend time with DS and balance the needs of my 2DDs.

Anyway, I have tried:

  • warm/hot flannel compresses
  • hand expressing
  • watching dozens of videos to improve hand expressing
  • pumping with hospital pump
  • dangling boobs over sink of hot water
  • kneeling in bath dangling boobs in water
  • kneeding breasts
  • massaging breasts
  • pressing on areola to encourage expressing

I tried using a photograph/slideshow of DS. I tried relaxation breathing. I tried turning on the TV and expressing without paying too much attention to nothing happening. I tried recalling the sensations from earlier in the day when he had been able to come out for a cuddle.

I have tried these things repeatedly all night from about 9pm until 3am. At no point did any milk/liquid/colostrum come out of my breasts.

At 3 am I decided to give up.

I then spent the next 2 hours rationalising this decision. DS is my third premature baby. He is my third NICU baby. Breastfeeding would have been better for him - especially in his early days. I know breastfeeding is particularly important for preemies and sick babies.

I struggled with expressing and breastfeeding with DD1 and DD2. But I managed to mix feed them both until their due dates (8 weeks and 5 weeks respectively).

I gave birth to DS at 3.16 am on Thursday morning. I discharged myself that evening because DP wanted to go into work on Friday (he will take his paternity leave when DS comes home - as he has done with DD1 and DD2). I managed to persuade him to take another day off to support me. I asked him to organise childcare for DD2 so that he could take me for lunch (he did not do this).

Yesterday was a 'good' day as I did not spend it all crying. I asked DP for more help and DP spoke to DS nurses about a load of things I was worrying about. I spent a long time with DS and cuddled him next to my skin for the first time. He was not interested in doing anything but sleeping. I sorted childcare for DD1 and DP looked after DD2 - they are both his children but they had different activities to be at at the same time.

I spent no time with DP all day. I asked my DParents to come to the hospital and have lunch with me. They did.

I spoke with nurses on NICU - DS's lead nurse in the day was very supportive and told me it was alright to breastfeed DS or not. I needed to balance the needs of everyone in my family and the stress I was under (self-inflicted) was not helping. DS's lead nurse in the afternoon was much more pro-BF but she had been speaking with DP the previous evening when he had told her how much we wanted to do this for DS. She was very much for me to persevere no matter what.

I rationalised my decision - these are professionals who will help DS get better and eventually come home. They will not be part of my day-to-day life within a few months and I should be able to make the decision as I need to. Both DDs were fine on prescription formula and, eventually, normal formula. They are both bright, happy children now. I am a good mum and formula feeding was not something I felt guilty about with DDs.

I made the decision to cope with the engorgement and for DS to be fed on formula. He is up to 7ml of allergy formula in his tube already and is coping fine with it. By formula feeding he is likely to come home earlier as he will gain weight quicker and the amount he receives can be measured.

DD2 was kept in NICU longer than 'necessary' because I wanted to persevere with breastfeeding and she was not thriving. I do not want this to be the case again with DS.

I think life will be much easier to organise once DS is home.

DP came in at 5am. He had not been involved with any of my efforts overnight. He had chosen to fall asleep when putting the DDs to bed (about 9pm as we had been out). When he woke up a few hours later, he chose to climb into bed with DD2. he knew I was in agony when he started bedtime with the DDs - I was at that point trying warm compresses and running a bath. I had explained why.

When DP came in to our room at 5am (his usual time for getting up) I told him I had decided to stop trying to express and that I needed his support in this decision.

He responded, "No."

I explained the agony and started to explain what I had tried overnight. He was finding it hard to listen so I suggested he 'look up engorged breasts on the computer.'

He decided to call the NICU for advice and came back telling me to try hand expressing and to use Lansinoh on my nipples. By this time I was crying that I had tried all that and more. He kept suggesting I try expressing. I told him my breasts were so sore by now that they hurt to touch and I cannot lift my arms at the shoulders.

He told me that we had decided to breastfeed DS. He asked how he could 'fix this.'

I now feel really useless and as though I have failed DS. I look at his picture and just want to apologise.

DP has taken DDs to their regular Sunday morning activity. I was going to go to see DS but feel too embarrassed to walk on to NICU. I feel unsupported and undermined by DP and feel that I will just sit and cry if I see DS - although I am just sitting and crying now...

Thank you if you have read this far. I am not looking for any support or advice. I am just feeling really bad and useless. I know engorgement is normal and I would have to deal with it if I had a baby to look after. But I do not have a baby to look after and, if I did, this would not be my situation as he would have been at the breast and I would not have been pumping or expressing for the last 3 days with no result.

Sorry.

OP posts:
KatieScarlett2833 · 17/03/2013 10:07

Tell DH to either grow a pair of lactating breasts or fuck off.
And go and buy some formula. I say this as a reformed by the book childrearing Nazi whose teenage DC do not give a flying fuck about my battles with mastitis Wink

Dysgu · 17/03/2013 10:12

Thank you - I was worried that someone would read all this and 'side' with DP.

We do not need to buy formula as DS will be prescribed special formula the same as he is currently being tube fed.

I did tell DP to 'fuck off' that is when I get the most reaction as he hates it when I swear!

I am fine and will deal with this but thank you. It helps to know someone agrees with me.

OP posts:
Wishfulmakeupping · 17/03/2013 10:12

You haven't failed you tried. Your husband sounds like a nightmare I'm sorry he hasn't been more supportive. Be honest with the midwives think they might surprise you by being more supportive than you think. And congratulations

sugarandspite · 17/03/2013 10:21

What an utter fucking twat!

Truly OP I am so so angry on your behalf. I can't imagine how hard it must be to be going through such a tough time emotionally, hormonally and physically and then have your partner - the one who is supposed to have your back and fight your corner at all times - not just be unsupportive but actively make choices to make your life harder.

Please don't think you've failed. You have a precious little DS who is here safely - you have succeeded! Well done. How he is fed must surely be a decision based on what is best for you, him and your family circumstance. If that's formula then hooray! If your DP wants him to be breastfed then he can do it himself eh?

I want to give you a massive hug, make you a big cup of tea and then go and tell your DP exactly what I think of him. Is there someone you can talk to in RL for a bit of support?

Loislane78 · 17/03/2013 10:23

Wowsers - what a lot you are coping with!

Firstly, congratulations on the birth of your LO :). Think its important to remember that all the issues aside, this is a happy time and quite soon whatever happens now will be forgotten (or not as raw anyway). You've been here before and your other DDs are great and this LO will be too :)

From your post I read you are primarily upset not to BF and also upset by the perceived lack of support from your DP. Everything else in the mix is another layer on top of that.

On the face of it, it sounds v unsympathetic of your DP. Can I offer an alternative view that maybe he knows how upset you are/will be not to BF but its coming across all wrong? In moments of extreme fatigue my DP has said 'step away from the formula' :). He doesn't mean it like that.

I think you both just need and hour alone to talk and process whats happening/make a plan.

Best of luck to you :)

Loislane78 · 17/03/2013 10:25

(Hope it doesn't sound like I'm siding with him as I'm not BTW!)

monkeyfacegrace · 17/03/2013 10:26

What a fucking arse.

This sort of stuff really boils my piss. My SCBU baby was formula fed. And??

Far, far too much hero-worship over bf.

Tell him to fuck the fuck off, leave your boobs alone, and keep feeding formula.

Job done.

CheungFun · 17/03/2013 10:32

In real life I only know three mums who have breastfeed with any success, one managed up to 12 weeks, another to 6 months and another is still going at 13 months.

Seriously, as my own DM put it "there's a reason why formula feeding is so popular!"

Give yourself a break, if you want to try again later with expressing do, if you don't feel up to it then don't. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things as long as you and the baby are happy and healthy.

Be kind to yourself you've just been through months of pregnancy and just given birth.

KatieScarlett2833 · 17/03/2013 10:37

Sweetheart, your baby will be fine, you sound like a lovely mummy.
Your DH needs a kick in his entitled nads though Wink

SPBInDisguise · 17/03/2013 10:38

You poor poor thing. I can only.imagine how awful and alone you must have felt during the night. Is your dp usually this uncaring? It sounds like the support you've been given from the professionals nd from the people who love you has been awful.
Is donor bm an option? Either way you have been pushed to the limits and this is where it ends I think. Congratulations on the birth of your Ds and I really hope he is home very soon with his mum, dad nd big sisters.

minipie · 17/03/2013 10:42

you have not failed. sorry your DP is not being supportive, he clearly just hasn't appreciated what it's like and that you have been trying but it's not working for some reason. hopefully he will look back at this when he is less stressed and will wish he'd been different... but for now, it is your decision, nobody else's and you have tried everything.

do whatever you need to do to ease the pain in your boobs - you poor thing you must be in agony by now if nothing is coming out. this probably means more warm or cold flannels and massage , but just to ease your pain not to try to express. cabbage leaves in the bra also help apparently.

does the hospital have a bank of donated breastmilk? if so then maybe DS could have some of that...? worth asking.

VisualiseAHorse · 17/03/2013 10:44

You have not failed. You are feeding your baby in the best way you can. Where is the failure in that?

I am sorry, but there is no 'WE' in deciding to BF. Your body, your choice.

noblegiraffe · 17/03/2013 10:45

Oh poor you, the stress of having a baby in SCBU, the hell of dealing with engorgement and struggling to express and the added lack of support from your DP on top of post-birth hormones must be very very distressing.

Tell your DP that if 'we' have decided to bf then it is his turn now.

Incidentally, have you tried cabbage leaves from the fridge? I've heard they're good for engorgement.

freddiemisagreatshag · 17/03/2013 10:45

Send your DH round here. I'll sort him Grin - seriously tell him until he can grow a pair OF FUCKING BOOBS then he needs to just STFU.

It won't matter when DS is 21 how you fed him. I doubt it'll be a chat up line to the girls Wink

SPBInDisguise · 17/03/2013 10:48

Yes SAVOY cabbage leaves are brilliant for relieving engorgemrnt

Then you can put the used ones into some soup for Dh

WeAreSix · 17/03/2013 10:51

You have not failed at all. Please don't be so hard on yourself.

The only thing that eased my painful engorgement was standing in a hot shower with it on the massage setting and then I got some relief. It's bloody painful. Make sure you have taken some paracetamol, it takes the edge off a little. I stood in that shower and sobbed, and sobbed and sobbed until there were no tears left.

I wish I had the words to solve this for you...

KatieScarlett2833 · 17/03/2013 10:51

Yes, I can just HEAR DS(16) " hey doll, I was BF till I was 2 dontchaknow" Wink

BoffinMum · 17/03/2013 10:53

How unsympathetic is he! You've tried everything!!!!! FFS!!!!!! Honestly, he is expecting the biologically impossible. I'd get a doctor to tell him that.

cluelessnchaos · 17/03/2013 10:58

You haven't failed, you are running a family and trying to express for a preemie. I have not ever managed to express more than a couple of mls of milk, if I was in your position there would be no choice.

What in your heart do you want to do? Do you want more support to express/breastfeed? Or do you want everyone to support your decision? If the former your dh or someone needs to take the rest of the slack and you need a breastfeeding specialist to help you. If the latter just repeat, I have made my decision, please respect it.

You are being amazing and not in anyway failing, if no one is looking after you the way you are looking after them then you need to look after you too.

Dysgu · 17/03/2013 19:38

Thank you for all your support. I had a rough morning once DP took DDs out and nothing seemed to be working.

When they got home they had DP's DDad with them and all went up to the hospital to see DS.

When they got home, DP had had time to talk to his DDad and was much more empathetic (his DDad is lovely - he is a Vicar and one of the kindest, most empathetic people I know and is also the father of preemie twins). DP has been much more supportive this afternoon and I managed to explain to him that this was not his choice and that there was nothing he could do about my decision; I simply needed him to support me in the decision even if he disagreed with it. Yes, I did ask him if he was going to take his turn...

I am feeling much better emotionally. I am taking paracetamol and will buy cabbage tomorrow (no chance today and nowhere open - yes we do live in the middle of nowhere!)

DP explained to the NICU staff that DS will now be formula fed and no one even mentioned it to me about me stopping the expressing. DS was able to come out of his incubator for about 45 minutes which was great and, whilst a bit painful, he was not hunting for food and will obviously not be 'harmed' by my decision. He is getting his food through his tube and is now up to a huge amount of 10ml every 4 hours...

Thank you again for helping me through this - it means a lot.

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zoobaby · 17/03/2013 20:27

Sounds promising dysgu. Any chance that both sides of the family could pool their energies into taking care of your girls while you get your head together, spend a bit of time destressing and getting to know you little boy a bit better now he's growing stronger and is able to come out of the incubator?

Hope things continue to improve.

SPBInDisguise · 17/03/2013 20:38

Oh was wondering how you were. Doing, so pleased to read that update.

MissYamabuki · 17/03/2013 20:58

Congratulations on the arrival of your baby, dysgu!
I suffered from engorgement and nothing helped me... cabbage, showers, massage... not a drop of milk would come out once my milk had "come"... In fact my midwife told me to be careful when massaging or trying to express as I could damage the milk ducts and cause mastitis. You have my sympathies, I felt awful, I thought I looked monstruous. The only thing that sorted it was an automatic breast pump (such a blessing!). I was able to continue breastfeeding but I don't think my supply ever recovered from those 24 hrs and DD was mixed fed until for 11 months. She's a happy PITA toddler now Smile

I hope things will continue to improve, too. Don't think you've "failed"... you are clearly a loving mother who wants the best for your DS Flowers

VisualiseAHorse · 18/03/2013 09:18

Glad to hear that you've had a chat with your OH - so important to share your feelings at a time like this.

Wish you all the best of luck!

Mama1980 · 18/03/2013 09:40

Oh sweetheart I'm sorry your dh reacted like that and its good you have had a chat. Wonderful news that ds had 45 mins out of the incubator.
How are you today?
For what its worth you are a amazing strong mummy and your support on the April board has meant a lot to me-you have absolutely not failed at anything!

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