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18 month still breastfeeds at night.

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ruty · 27/03/2006 14:06

18 month ds co sleeps with us. He didn't until he was about 5 months old, by which time i was so sleep deprived and he was sleeping so little we gave up and put him in bed withus. We have all slept brilliantly ever since. the problem is, he has always woken and wanted to feed on and off through the night, and it hasn't bothered me, but i would like him to sleep thru the night now. He has a bedside cot and sometimes rolls into it but usually climbs out and wants to feed again. Is anyone else still doing this at this age? i don't mind too much but wonder if its bad for his teeth and how we are ever going to stop. Intend to wean at around two - but its going to be difficult.

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dinny · 28/03/2006 20:45

is it a boy thing, all this waking-demanding-boob-NOW thing?

am nearing the point where I really want to stop bfing him. fed up with having boobs pulled violently around.

did laugh at your ds thumping your dh and going back to sleep, Popsy. ds loves giving a hefty thump to whoever, just for good measure. he's also started rapping my knuckles HARD with his spoon if I dare try and help cut his food up, supercilious sod!

popsycalindisguise · 28/03/2006 20:47

think he is politely asking to see if he has a boob......he thumps me in the night if i dare not to move immediately when he starts yanking at my pyjama top!

Karmamother · 28/03/2006 20:48

Ruty, I totally understand your predicament. My DS co-slept till he was 11 months. He'd fed 2 hourly at night but by 10months he started to sleep through. We stopped co-sleeping purely by accident. One evening at bedtime, he was too happy playing with his toys to go to sleep so I took him through to his room, plonked him & his toys in the cot & went off to watch telly. An hour later I realise he'd fallen asleep. I had the best night's sleep ever. This was the incentive I needed to keep this up so I carried out CC but it only lasted 3 nights at the most.
It seems you have 2 issues here. One is the night feeding & presumably you'd like the co-sleeping to stop too. I think tackling one thing first might be best. I reckon it'd be harder to stop his feeds when your boobs are so available, IYSWIM! Can you put him in his own room? Spending time playing in his cot during the day (& having naps there) might help. Good luck.

dinny · 28/03/2006 20:50

Ruty, about 3 months ago I got tough on ds and when he woke at his usual 11pm I left him cry without going to him (I was beside myself but dh helped me through!). Anyway, he cried for 40 minutes, went to sleep (then dh crept in to check he was OK), then I heard him wake briefly at about 2am, 3 am, 4 amd but he went back to sleep without crying. Then repeated every night - until he got a cold/throat infection. And now I am going to have to get tough again I suppose, but can't bear it....

dinny · 28/03/2006 20:51

sorry, 14 minutes, not 40! could never leave him that long!

ruty · 28/03/2006 21:00

thanks for all the replies. Good to know i am not alone! Dinny, its strange, my ds has recently got much more into breastfeeding than he was at say, ten months. Then it was mostly just a night and morning feed [and maybe a bit at night] and now he wants it a few times in the day and more at night too. odd. Karmamother, the problem is we don't have another room for him. There is a second room, but it is currently my dad's room - its his flat, though he only stays sometimes - [complicated to explain!] We are hoping to start looking for our own place in September, which will make things easier. I would like him to sleep in his cot in our room - but i guess he is so used to the situation he can't understand why it would have to change. I do love co sleeping actually, but would like hin to sleep thru the night, tho the two may be mutually exclusive. The problem will come to a head if we have another baby - we are talking about it but hoping to move first - what on earth do we do then?

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ruty · 28/03/2006 21:01

LOL at the thumping popsy. Ds likes to give us both a good kick sometimes to put us in our place! Grin

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Highlander · 29/03/2006 12:25

I had to stop DS feeding at night when he was 17mo, as I discovered I was preggers and it was just to painful. And exhausting! I'm still BFing during the day, but I'm trying to cut back to 2 feeds/day then hopefully stop by the summer (give the norks a rest before the next one arrives!)

I decided to go cold turkey, but I didn't feel bad about it as we were co-sleeping at the time.
I stayed with him until he fell asleep, giving him as much cuddles as he wants, but never lying beside him.

The fisrt night I did everything as normal before bed, but refused him boob. He screamed blue murder for 30 mins then fell asleep. He woke up a couple of times in the night, the longest session being 1 hour, when he was really upset.

Second night was OK, down within 10 mins, crying not nearly as bad. Woke 3 times in night, briefly.

Third night, went down happily, didn't even fall asleep in my arms. Slept all night.

In the past month, he has slept through 3 0r 4 times. He seems to lurch from waking a lot to only once or twice (but falling asleep very quickly).

If he asks for boob, I give him water - he'll ask maybe 2-3 times per week.

He's settled in his own room now, some nights I'll take him in our bed, others he's in his won bed all night - depends how lazy I'm feeling! He's reached the stage now that I'll sit on his bed, but he voluntarily lies down wide awake and drifts off by himself, sometimes singing which is cute.

In terms of the crying thing, it is upsetting but I had to reach the point where the thought of frequent night nursing was intolerable - I don't think I could have refused him any earlier, even at 12 mo.

BF at night becomes a habit, and the only way your DS is going to break the habit is if you refuse him. The crying that first night is awful, but as I was cuddling him it didn't bother me too much.

I don't know if this is any help?

ruty · 29/03/2006 14:09

that is a help highlander - thankyou. I'm a bit scared because when ds protests about something it can feel like`all hell has broken loose -bu i guess we're going to have to bite the bullet at some point. Being pregnant is a good motivation, i can see! i'm sure I'll have to crack it if we decide to have another one.

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rjpmother · 07/04/2006 22:57

Hi all, I have an 8 mnth old, Health visitor says night feeds are not needed anylonger, so reduce the night feeds till she sleeps through. Tonight will be the third night of missing out a feed which causes so much distress to both my daughter and me and partner... Im wondering whether to keep up with the H.V. advise, or carry on nightfeeding. The H.v. also says only 2 to three feeds though the day too???? Is this the norm??

Tommy · 07/04/2006 23:05

rjpmother - it is your baby - not the health visitor's - you do what you feel is right. I still fed DS2 at night for over a year (when he woke - I never woke him to feed him)- he might not have "needed" it but he liked it and it made me happy cos he went back to sleep afterwards!
If you want to continue with it and it helps your DD, then, you know best Smile

TheBlonde · 07/04/2006 23:08

rjpmother - ignore your HV!
My 13 mth old is still on 4-6 feeds a day plus the occasional night feed

Pixiefish · 07/04/2006 23:10

dd is 2 and 2 months and i've only just knocked the night feeds out. it was hard work but i just kept saying to her 'in the morning' and eventually she was falling back to sleep.

listen to your baby not the hv

rjpmother · 07/04/2006 23:36

Thank you so much for your thoughts, I have another question....my DD is really quite little in length and weight only 16lb3, the HV thinks that if i stop the nightfeeds her food intake in the day will increase and in turn she will put on weight. Surely if breastmilk gets digested quickly it shouldnt actually affect her mealtimes?? She is healthy, cheeky and really active..so i do believe she is just weeny.

ecofreak · 08/04/2006 09:07

I think your logic is exactly right ripmother. Breastmilk has as much if not more calories than other solids. A night feed is supplemental to day-time food, it won't affect day-time ability to stuff food in. Anyway, my own DD was about the same weight at that age and she's still petite, now 4.

I night-weaned mine by still cuddling & sometimes co-sleeping but refusing to offer bosoms (although I would offer a no-spill cup with cow's milk init). it did involve some crying, but not that loud. By 16-19months they are drinking at night much more out of habit (and who can blaim them? :) ) than hunger, so they're only unhappy, not desperate.

koolkat · 08/04/2006 10:20

ruty - first of all sympathies.

Teeth : unlike what a dentist recently said to me when I said I bf (22 month old DS), bm is NOT a cause of tooth decay Smile

I did research on this on the net and I can provide the links if you like. There is a world expert on bf and teeth and he says bf babies never ever had bad teeth (he looked at 1000 year old skulls !!) until the arrival of bad food and sugary juice drinks. If you have good oral hygiene then everything is ok even if you bf during the night.

For the sleep thing - I am afraid I did a very gentle method of cc when DS was 10 months old (16 mins. of crying for 2 nights and 5 mins. on the third night checked on him every 3-4 mins. and he was sleeping through within a few weeks after that) - but I appreciate cc is very unpopular with bf mums and I don't want to promote it as I am an attachment parenting type myself !

I also offered him water in a cup and sometimes DH still does unless DS is sick. When he has a cold or is teething I always still offer the boob as bm is so good for him.

Best of luck ruty !

agalch · 08/04/2006 10:30

Hi Ruty

I bf my ds (now 10) till he was 2.5 and he co-slept and bf in the night until he gave up altogether.TBH when he got to 18 months or so i never knew when he fed in the nightBlushi would only know cos because my pj's would be different in the morning.
My dd was still bf in the night(shes 20 mnths)but like highlander i am pg and due in July and i found i was too sore to feed her so much.I just had to be really tough with the night feeds and keep saying not now and you can have it in the morning etc.It was soooo hard cos she was upset but she was old enough to understand what i meant.Doesn't wake to feed at all now but still co-sleeps.Only really feed her once in the morning and if she asks during the day i ask her when she has booby next and she says after my bath and it breaks my heart cos if i wasn't pg i would be feeding her more often,but she is fine with it.
I don't think i would have been strong enough to get her off before then tbh,i am a wuss when it comes to my kidsBlush.
Good luck and hope you get some sleep soon.

suzi2 · 08/04/2006 20:11

My DS is just 8 months old but I'm trying to stop the night feeds as I am getting increasingly rundown and unwell. It's either cutting out the night feeds or quitting breastfeeding.

Anyway, my DH is away this week so my mum is coming over tonight to offer DS some watered down EBM when he wakes and apparently I am not to go in to see DS under any circumstances. Sad I'll let you all know how it goes.

kiskidee · 08/04/2006 20:22

suzi2: when my dd was about the same age i was always unwell and rundown. I also work fulltime i took multivitamins and the improvement was rapid. goodluck tonight.

(i'm too soft myself and she ends up in our bed sooner or later)Blush

rjpmother · 08/04/2006 21:31

Thanks ecofreak for your comments, I feel much happier, and much less pressurised in to listening to the HV, and going with my own intuition. Thanks again. Smile

browniegirl · 09/04/2006 03:56

Hi ruty, this is difficult time for you I have been their myself with my daughter who is now 3. At 13 months I had to put her into her own room which I was really reluctant to do because we weren't sure who was disturbing who and I did give in most nights out of guilt and let her sleep back in with us. However with perseverence from both of us it worked. If she couldn't see me she didn't want boob I work 2 nights a week so I knew that was the case. So maybe your little one needs their own space, you could be the one disturbing him and therefore seeks comfort fom the breast! My daughter weaned herself at 2 and has been an angel to go to bed since she was 20 months. Hope this helps.

browniegirl · 09/04/2006 04:09

Hi suzi2, I know exactly how you are feeling. Have you tried giving your little one a little bit of supper? My son is ten months now and I am suffering the same have you tried a bottle feed before bed ? I find that he if falls asleep on the breast before filling his tummy he wakes cos he's peckish another thing I have tried is either a small bottle of cooled boiled water or small bottle of milk at his age formula. when he realised that I wasn't giving him breast he would go back to sleep. Is he teething? I had a really tough last two weeks and then found a new top tooth on monday. Their is always a reson for night waking no matter how trivial. If it's a certain time of the night is going a bit chilly? Trial and error has got me through many a time, don't give the fun times are just starting!

ArsumLardis · 09/04/2006 08:40

One thing I found after I night-weaned my toddlers is that they are REALLY ravenous in the mornings, this came as a bit of a shock with the youngest. I feed ds myself then give him a beaker of milk, just to tide him over until the breakfast bowl can be produced.

suzi2 · 12/04/2006 22:38

Just to update on my attempts to cut out the night feed...

My mum came over on Saturday and got up to DS when required. DS had a really bad night and was awake almost every hour so I fed him at 10pm to settle him. And then again at 3am and then at 6am. So pointless trying really.

However, on Sunday he slept through bar a couple of wakings that required duymmy to be popped in.

Monday had had a bad night again.
Last night my mum came to help and once again she had to give him a dummy a few times but I got to sleep through.

So, no further ahead. We just can't work out why he's sometimes ravenous and the next day he isn't!

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