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Very unsettled breastfed 17 week old - have been advised to mix feed or wean?

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QueLinda · 29/09/2012 07:47

From birth DD has been very unsettled and unhappy, crying 90% of her waking hours, very frantic i.e. always kicking her legs and over sensitive to everything.

She is exclusively breastfed, over 17lbs on the 91st percentile and feeds well but it takes along time to get her relaxed enough to feed. Health visitor advised weaning her as this should settle her. My friends and mother all say give her 2 bottles of formula a day and this will settle her.

I am now getting no sympathy because I am not following their advice, is there any truth that mix feeding would help her. DD and me are both unhappy and have had miserable 17 weeks so far.

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Softlysoftly · 29/09/2012 17:09

miggril I was told there is no research backing up the sealed gut and allergy theory. Do you have links to any?

DD2 couldn't sit up until past 6 months unaided either (she didn't walk until late), mentally she was forward but physically a lazybones so not sure about that link.

Tounge thrust and self feeding etc I totally agree with hence baby led weaning, relying on their own ability/desire to swallow rather than play with food.

Softlysoftly · 29/09/2012 17:10

DD1 that should read

NimChimpsky · 29/09/2012 19:10

It doesn't have to be sitting up completely unaided. It can be with some support because, as you recognise, some babies can't sit completely unaided until 8 months or so. They do need to be able to sit up at least with support though to minimise the risk of choking. In a highchair, with a cushion behind them etc. As long as they're not flopping about or lying back. Of course this is alongside the loss of tongue thrust reflex and ability to accurately pick up and put food in their mouths, chew and swallow.

The developing worlds thing is a red herring. The guidelines are based on maturation of the gut and are provided by the World Health Organisation. Biology is biology. What we know is that the external sounds of readiness seem to mirror the internal readiness of the gut. It makes logical sense that a baby would be able to pick up and put food in their mouth, chew and swallow at a point when they're ready for it. When you talk about giving foods when it feels natural, in my mind there's nothing more natural than allowing a baby to explore food, put it in their mouths, chew and swallow. Most babies are ready to do this somewhere around 6 months. In my mind this IS true baby led weaning. Letting them eat when they're ready. And the guidelines don't say wean all babies at 6 months btw because all babies are ready at different times. They say watch your baby, look for the ACTUAL signs (they also explain the myths around false signs ie alert, chewing hands, watching you eat, waking at night etc, they chew everything because their mouths are where most of the nerve endings are and they chew because they're teething or to self soothe or just to explore the world, they watch you do everything, cook, drive etc, they wake because they're developmentally programmed to, none of these things are signs). The guidelines recommend watching your individual baby, looking out for the signs, going slowly and just happen to point out when their bodies seem to be ready for more than milk is around 26 weeks. Some babies are a bit before this.

I am a little concerned that a hv is going to such great lengths to convince the mothers around her to go against the guidelines.

I took a fairly relaxed approach to weaning. I let my dc make the decisions. They joined us at mealtimes and when they were ready, they reached out and helped themselves. Properly baby led!

OP, I had two children who seemed to dislike being babies. Both high needs, grumpy, poor sleepers. They were both massively frustrated and became much happier when they could walk. But I was as certain as certain could be that there were no physical reasons for their grumpiness. In fact I knew that it was frustration because if they were upright and held outwards and allowed to interact with the world constantly, they were fine. Or as good as they got until they were more mobile.

I think I'd be tempted to go to the GP with as much info as possible. When the crying happens, if anything at all helps, exactly how she moves when crying. Because things like silent reflux can be hard to diagnose but there are solutions out there which involve more than just soldiering on.

Having an unhappy baby is a tough, uphill slog. It does NOT last forever. I promise. Whether your baby has some reason for it which is identified or if they're just struggling with an existential crisis which will resolve with the application of time, there will be an end to it.

foolingwithmisskitty · 29/09/2012 20:04

I know lll have specific worksheets for different problems encountered and books they can lend you which may shed some light on what is going on. With regards to weaning I did BLW with ds at 6 months and he is the least fussy child I know (and I work with a lot of kids being a childminder). IMO baby rice/porridge is another one of these things invented by corporations to make a quick buck out of parents. A book you may find helpful is The Baby Book by Dr Sears which talks about high need babies and how some babies need more comfort, physical closeness, etc and gives advice on parenting. I really hope everything gets sorted soon. I remember around the 6 month mark things getting a lot easier with ds and hope you find the same happens. I find the following mantra useful as a mum "this soon will pass" no phase lasts forever although the tricky ones can feel like it at the time! Good luck Smile

Narked · 29/09/2012 20:43

My nephew was on gaviscon for well over a year. Silent reflux.

mawbroon · 29/09/2012 21:13

also here Link between reflux/colic and tongue and lip tie.

whenwill · 29/09/2012 21:46

Yes, I was thinking overtired too. max. two hours awake is usuallly a good guide even at this age. Watch for the first yawn. Though this won't work for too much longer.

Also a wrap can be faffy moving baby about to get comfy and might have associated it with crying. Could you try a different sort of sling/carrier with easy clips? If it is wind a baby bjorn type might work well (was good for our reflux) but not great for hip joint development. Other than that try and find one where legs are in M position (knees above bum) but that has clips so easy to get on off. Look up sling library to see if there is a local one you could try.

Are you burping well? there are loads of diff. positions to try that seem to suit different babies/ages.

QueLinda · 30/09/2012 16:23

Thank you for the replies, It has given me some new thoughts on how to cope with DD and not to give up the ebf until 6 months which was the original plan Smile . Will start weaning when I planned to at around 6 months. I have booked a sling consultation at a library to see if I can find a better sling - a forward facing one if possible as she only likes to be carried facing outwards just like how you describe your two NimChimpsky.

I have ordered the Dr Sears book on high needs and am ring LLL tomorrow, I do need to check if there is a lip / tongue tie happening as she is very fussy about the position she feeds in. Her neck has to be straight and she does gulp when not feeding but crying. I not sure reflux issue or not but sometimes the problem seems physical imo.

I also realise now she probably needs to sleep more - she sleeps well at night but one 30 min nap during the day, so up for 10 hour stretches she is awake and she is so hyper she must be tired - she literally runs on the spot when I hold her. I will try and do more soothing and massage.

I'm too tied to face the doctor again, they are very dismissive because she looks so well. Maybe in a few weeks I'll go again. So that's my new action plan!! It helps trying to resolve it even if I don't get any where if that makes self. Thanks again.

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MightBeMad · 20/10/2012 11:43

Op how are you getting on?

nathansmummy153 · 20/10/2012 17:19

My LO was like this he was always permanently attached to my breast I started weaning at 16weeks and it worked brilliantly for us. Just take it slow starting with baby rice mixed with breast milk very watery gradually make it slightly thicker then slowly introduce new foods and flavours. My son is now 7months eats well (3 times a day) is so much more settled a typical healthy happy little boy! He still breastfeeds in-between meals and after his bath as part of his bed time routine. All babies are different but weaning saved my sanity and my breasts!!!

Clumsasaurus · 20/10/2012 17:43

On a completely different side note from the above advice, my DS, who admitedly is younger than op's DD but had a penchant for screaming, I googled a colic massage which I found on YouTube and it helped no end, rarely screams no and if he does a quick massage does the trick, it's just 2 or 3 movements, really simple and releases a TON of gas...

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