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So, are you a member of the Militant Breastfeeding Cult?

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LucyJu · 21/03/2006 10:55

Answer the following questions. Apparently, a score of 1 or above qualifies you for membership...

  1. Do you nurse your babies past one year of age?
  1. Do you share your bed with your nursing baby?
  1. Do you believe that mothers and fathers have different roles to play in raising children?
  1. Do you believe that nature provided women with breasts in order to feed their babies?
  1. Do you associate with other women who breastfeed their children or even-gasp!-attend La Leche League meetings? (award youself a bonus point for attendance at LLL meetings or other bf support groups)
  1. Do you follow the WHO guidelines of breastfeeding a baby exclusively for six months before introducing supplements or solids? (Presumably the WHO is part of the cult.)
  1. Do you believe that there are not only physical differences between men and women, but psychological and emotional differences as well?
  1. Do you believe that motherhood is a noble calling and that mothers and babies belong together? Do you-gasp!-think that babies are better off if their mothers are home with them rather than pursuing careers?
  1. Do you make your baby's food from wholesome, nourishing ingredients and avoid processed foods or additives?

  2. Do you avoid dummies and bottles?

Membership categories divided as follows:

3 Bronze membership
4 - 7 Silver
9 - 10 Gold
12 Platimum

I give myself a 9 out of 11 which, I reckon, entitles me to Gold membership of the Cult. Any platinum members out there?

OP posts:
WellieMum · 22/03/2006 01:26

Strange, must be having a humour bypass day but I find louii's joke not just completely unfunny, but also downright creepy. Not often that a joke makes my skin crawl.

I would guess that the "joke" was written by someone who:
a) has never breastfed and knows nothing about it
b) has "issues" which don't bear thinking of in too much detail really...

wabbitintheheadlamps · 22/03/2006 01:49

Not that unfunny! It's just obvious the baby's now a bloke... isn't it?

Made me smirk anyway

WellieMum · 22/03/2006 02:14

No, no, wabbit, I "get" the joke - but I think it's nasty.

I think (she said, gazing intently into her navel) my reason for disliking this kind of breastfeeding joke is that it taps into the way people confuse breastfeeding with the sexual aspects of breasts. They are thus hugely uncomfortable about breastfeeding and it comes out in this sort of defensive humour.

None of which would matter except that these attitudes in society are preventing a lot of women from breastfeeding and that is really sad.

Or am I on my own planet here? Grin

suzywong · 22/03/2006 05:00

Same planet as me, Welliemum

dramaqueen72 · 22/03/2006 05:46

.and me. sorry, just dont like any sexual linking to bfing at all. feel distinctly uncomfy about that.

FrannyandZooey · 22/03/2006 07:27

I don't like it either. Planet prude this morning, obviously.

JoolsToo · 22/03/2006 15:27

"the question is - is that what nature provided women with their breasts for (terrible grammar)
answer - yes. basic biology"

partly disagree with that - a woman's shape is also part of the courtship ritual ifswim - to attract the male in order to mate.

Don't want to be a member of cult ta!

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A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.

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bhw · 22/03/2006 16:49

i only scored a seven which puts me in the silver membership but at the end of the day,there is a mixed debate over this.i am classed as a breastfeeding freak by some of my husbands family. i do have oppinions which may offend people but these opinions in my eyes are backed up by medical evidence. such as, the recent evidence that bottlefed babies are the obese children later on in life (there has been a study ladies so dont blame me for this!).the ammount of allergies has also increased as britain's bf rate has dropped!we are as most of us all know,the worst country in the eu for bf rates. this is something that we should be ashamed about!!!!Shockdont we agree you bf mafia ladies..lol!in the next breath,we all know that children thrive from love as well as food so as long as our children are well loved.thats the most inportant thing... i think? im trying to take all points into consideration here and not offend anyone as i am constantly told i am a bf freak... breast is best and all that... Wink

SoupDragon · 22/03/2006 16:51

I despise the term "bf mafia".

chipmonkey · 22/03/2006 17:28

I thought Ireland was worse than Britain. And I thought France was also worse than Britain.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 22/03/2006 17:41

Generally speaking chipmonkey? Or with regard to b/feeding stats? Grin

chipmonkey · 22/03/2006 17:43

LOL! Depends who you talk to on MN!Wink

motherinferior · 22/03/2006 17:45

Well, I only got two because I breastfed DD2 exclusively to six months and went on feeding her for over a year. I think it should have a points score, you know, like those wimmin's mag questionnaires that poor journalists have to make up.

spidermama · 22/03/2006 17:59

I'm also on your planet wellieMum. I found that 'joke' creepy. My first thought was that it was written by men.

moondog · 22/03/2006 19:45

I'm with you too Welliemum.
Would like to slapt the dullard that dredged it up from the murky recesses of his mind (obviously nothing better to do..) over the head and snarl 'Fucking grow up!'

Nightynight · 22/03/2006 19:53

well, I found it funny. I also find the militant b'f lobby's total refusal to admit that there is any sensual/sexual pleasure to be gained from breasts amusing too.Smile

moondog · 22/03/2006 19:57

Er,who says that then NN???

louii · 22/03/2006 20:13

Ah girls, I knew that would get a mixed reaction.
Society will always find breastfeeding and breasts sexual, I am adult enough to make a distinction between feeding my child and whatever else i do with my breasts, ahem. lol. Therefore I am comfortable with my body and my choices that I can laugh at these jokes and the people that write them. The thought of feeding my baby till he has stubble is funny cos it is never going to happen no matter how long I choose to breastfeed for.
Anyway, congrats to all you breatfeeding mums for giving your children the best start possible. Here is a nice article I found.

What if I Want to Wean My Baby?

Breastfeeding your baby for even a day is the best baby gift you can give. Breastfeeding is almost always the best choice for your baby. If it doesn't seem like the best choice for you right now, these guidelines may help.
IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR JUST A FEW DAYS, he will have received your colostrum, or early milk. By providing antibodies and the food his brand-new body expects, nursing gives your baby his first - and easiest - "immunization" and helps get his digestive system going smoothly. Breastfeeding is how your baby expects to start, and helps your own body recover from the birth. Why not use your time in the hospital to prepare your baby for life through the gift of nursing?
IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR FOUR TO SIX WEEKS, you will have eased him through the most critical part of his infancy. Newborns who are not breastfed are much more likely to get sick or be hospitalized, and have many more digestive problems than breastfed babies. After 4 to 6 weeks, you'll probably have worked through any early nursing concerns, too. Make a serious goal of nursing for a month, call La Leche League or a Lactation Consultant if you have any questions, and you'll be in a better position to decide whether continued breastfeeding is for you.
IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR 3 OR 4 MONTHS, her digestive system will have matured a great deal, and she will be much better able to tolerate the foreign substances in commercial formulas. If there is a family history of allergies, though, you will greatly reduce her risk by waiting a few more months before adding anything at all to her diet of breastmilk. And giving nothing but your milk for the first four months gives strong protection against ear infections for a whole year.
IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR 6 MONTHS, she will be much less likely to suffer an allergic reaction to formula or other foods. At this point, her body is probably ready to tackle some other foods, whether or not you wean. Nursing for at least 6 months helps ensure better health throughout your baby's first year of life, and reduces your own risk of breast cancer. Nursing for 6 months or more may greatly reduce your little one's risk of ear infections and childhood cancers. And exclusive, frequent breastfeeding during the first 6 months, if your periods have not returned, provides 98% effective contraception.
IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR 9 MONTHS, you will have seen him through the fastest and most important brain and body development of his life on the food that was designed for him - your milk. You may even notice that he is more alert and more active than babies who did not have the benefit of their mother's milk. Weaning may be fairly easy at this age... but then, so is nursing! If you want to avoid weaning this early, be sure you've been available to nurse for comfort as well as just for food.
IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR A YEAR, you can avoid the expense and bother of formula. Her one-year-old body can probably handle most of the table foods your family enjoys. Many of the health benefits this year of nursing has given your child will last her whole life. She will have a stronger immune system, for instance, and will be much less likely to need orthodontia or speech therapy. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends nursing for at least a year, to help ensure normal nutrition and health for your baby.
IF YOU NURSE YOUR BABY FOR 18 MONTHS, you will have continued to provide your baby's normal nutrition and protection against illness at a time when illness is common in other babies. Your baby is probably well started on table foods, too. He has had time to form a solid bond with you - a healthy starting point for his growing independence. And he is old enough that you and he can work together on the weaning process, at a pace that he can handle. A former U.S. Surgeon General said, "it is the lucky baby... that nurses to age two."
IF YOUR CHILD WEANS WHEN SHE IS READY, you can feel confident that you have met your baby's physical and emotional needs in a very normal, healthy way. In cultures where there is no pressure to wean, children tend to nurse for at least two years. The World Health Organization and UNICEF strongly encourage breastfeeding through toddlerhood: "Breastmilk is an important source of energy and protein, and helps to protect against disease during the child's second year of life." Our biology seems geared to a weaning age of between 2 1/2 and 7 years*, and it just makes sense to build our children's bones from the milk that was designed to build them. Your milk provides antibodies and other protective substances as long as you continue nursing, and families of nursing toddlers often find that their medical bills are lower than their neighbors' for years to come. Mothers who have nursed longterm have a still lower risk of developing breast cancer. Children who were nursed longterm tend to be very secure, and are less likely to suck their thumbs or carry a blanket. Nursing can help ease both of you through the tears, tantrums, and tumbles that come with early childhood, and helps ensure that any illnesses are milder and easier to deal with. It's an all-purpose mothering tool you won't want to be without! Don't worry that your child will nurse forever. All children stop eventually, no matter what you do, and there are more nursing toddlers around than you might guess.
WHETHER YOU NURSE FOR A DAY OR FOR SEVERAL YEARS, the decision to nurse your child is one you need never regret. And whenever weaning takes place, remember that it is a big step for both of you. If you choose to wean before your child is ready, be sure to do it gradually, and with love.
*Facts for Life: A Communication Challenge, published by UNICEF, WHO, and UNESCO, 1989
**K Dettwyler. A Time to Wean. Breastfeeding Abstracts vol 14 no 1 1994
©1997 Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC 136 Ellis Hollow Creek Road Ithaca, NY 14850

GDG · 22/03/2006 20:15

Pass me a bucket!

emkana · 22/03/2006 20:18

Why GDG?

Because of the article?

I've e/mailed this one to people who are pregnant before - I think it's lovely because it shows how important b/feeding is, but doesn't come across all "B/feed for at least a year or don't even bother!"

emkana · 22/03/2006 20:19

It could do with being re-written and sounding less American though!

Nightynight · 22/03/2006 20:21

people on MN of course, moondog. just read some of the extended b'f threads!

flutterbee · 22/03/2006 20:24

Well I printed this off and showed it to my Mum who has more experience and expertise in bringing up children than any other person I know and she couldn't stop laughing at it.

I think I will print some more off for her like the ones where it's insinuated that if you start weaning your child before they are 6 months, 2 days, 3 hours and 46 seconds old then you are a bad bad mummy. I think she may just die laughing.

GDG · 22/03/2006 20:25

Yes, sorry, I meant in terms of the way it was written - not the message

GDG · 22/03/2006 20:26

Although I do think the message is 'over done' as well - formula fed babies are hardly dropping like flies are they?

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