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Annoyed with the price of formula

212 replies

pigletmania · 07/06/2012 22:27

I am mixed feeding, after a rocky start bf and ds not latching found myself having to express and supplement with formula. The formula is over 10 pounds a tin, and the tin is never full up. This is an essential product if a mum is not able to bf, or chooses not to. There should be an upper limit on price, and formula should be unbranded.

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ladymuckbeth · 08/06/2012 13:01

Try buying it in Switzerland, for twins - a tub of Aptamil was £20!

TalHotBlond · 08/06/2012 13:13

It does differ by supermarket and region. My local shop is a Co-op too which I try to avoid whenever possible due to the prices but formula is in general blardy expensive.

But then so are nappies and childcare. It's not for long. [hugs self and repeats] Grin

AThingInYourLife · 08/06/2012 13:19

Stealth - do you mean me ignoring you?

Sorry, I'm on my phone, and the conversation had moved on between leaving home and arriving at work. No intention to ignore or misquote. Sorry for irritation caused. :)

Thelobster -

"it is not fair that different stores can charge considerably more for it, and it can be more expensive depending on where you live."

That is particularly striking when you read the advice about saving money by bulk buying in Asda and using shops that sell things more cheaply.

The better off you are the easier it is to travel further to take advantage of those kinds of discounts.

With no car, how do you get to these shops and stock up on nappies/wipes/formula/whatever else?

There's certainly an unfairness there, but it's hard to see what can be done to end it.

Government control of the price of formula?

That might standardise the price, but I'd be surprised if it reduced it.

My understanding is that UK supermarkets are pretty cheap comparatively, and certainly it seems that formula is dearer elsewhere.

Chubfuddler · 08/06/2012 13:28

"I am an accountant".

Arf. Get you.

Thelobsterswife · 08/06/2012 13:34

Chubfuddler - In my defence, I was being somewhat patronised! :-)

AThingInYourLife - not sure that there is a solution, but as I said before, its good to share tips on where to get it cheaper. It is around a tenner in Tesco and Sainsburys where I live in MK. Sounds like it is worth me checking out Asda and also considering swapping brands. Will report back if I find it considerably cheaper elsewhere. Might start a new thread though, as an tips are likely to be lost on this one.

G1nger · 08/06/2012 20:02

If you need lactose-free formula you can get it on the nhs. I'm just saying...

GnocchiNineDoors · 08/06/2012 20:07

Why should lactose freee formula be free? The sell it in the shops?

G1nger · 08/06/2012 20:12

A friend's son is lactose-intolerant so he gets it on prescription.

AnitaBlake · 09/06/2012 07:57

Specialist formulas are available on the NHS to help those with children who need to have specialist diets. My DD could have formula prescribed for her due to her cows milk protein allergy. But we found it easier simply to continue breastfeeding but with me being dairy-free.

My brother was prescribed Wysoy as a baby due to a similar suite of allergies. It was less well-known back then that avoidance by the breastfeeding might of the allergens means that the child need not be weaned from the breast. In my mum the inability to breastfeed her third child despite having successfully fed her first two, through no physical problem, caused massive PND and various other issues. It wasn't a lifestyle choice not to breastfeed, it was simply a need to keep her son alive.

The use of specialist formula is medically indicated in these sort of cases.

Personally, I think that where breastfeeding is physically not possible (for actual medical reasons) or for cases such as my brother (multiple allergies, confirmed by medical diagnosis) then formula should be freely available on the NHS. Enriched products are needed because the child does not have access to cheese, yogurts and milk that are considered essential for growth. Commercial milk substitutes simply don't have the range of nutrients added to them, so allergic children need formula long past where normal children have switched to cows milk.

We haven't found that a specialist diet is particularly more expensive than a normal diet, but I'm a fan if hone-baking and making my own where ever I can, which saves us a lot of money. We've also been lucky enough that DD can tolerate goats milk, so I can use that a lot if the time.

I'm not talking about the posters who, for not medical reasons cannot feed their children, but fir those who choose to formula feed without even trying to feed in the normal manner, why should I pay to subsidise them? My neighbour is pregnant, her child will never be put on the breast, she refuses to even try.

This is the legacy of formula companies. They have, through many years of advertising campaigns convinced us its abnormal to feed our children in the manner nature intended and they continue to even today. Listen carefully to those adverts for 'follow-on milk' a substance our children don't even need. "breastfeeding is best fir your baby, but if you choose to move on,brand x provides everything your growing child needs", the continued pedalling if the widely discredited 'iron deficiency' myth, leading you to believe that a weaned child can only gets irs daily iron needs from milk(?) really, it doesn't eat meat or leafy green veg at all?

The advertising budget of these companies is something like £23 per child........ that money has to come from somewhere, and the companies needed to perpetuate the myth that effectively, while breast is best, formula is normal.

CouthyMow · 09/06/2012 08:26

I didn't wean because of the allergies - I had been successfully BF'ing DS3 whilst following a restricted diet. I stopped BF because my epilepsy had worsened and I had to go back onto meds that are incompatible with BF, otherwise I would probably still be BF'ing my 16mo.

And I am not joking when I tell you that, despite your income, my local GP will not prescribe ANY more than 6x 400g tins a month of specialist formula, and they keep trying to cut that down to 4x 400g tins a month.

It would be a heck of a lot cheaper if 16mo DS3 could drink cows milk, it's NOT the lactose that is the problem, he has a CMP allergy. He can't have Soy milk as he is allergic to that too, and he can't have almond or hazelnut milk due to nut allergy.

If I could get him to drink Karo coconut milk, it would be cheaper, but in a family where anything coconut is like arsenic, I'm failing on that one! Everyone in my family bar 10yo DS1 HATES coconut so much that we actually at the smell of it. And DS3 appears to be the same, which is a tad unhelpful.

(have posted earlier upthread but NC'd)

MangoLangoTango · 09/06/2012 09:02

CouthyMow I've sent you a PM.

AThingInYourLife · 09/06/2012 09:13

"And I am not joking when I tell you that, despite your income, my local GP will not prescribe ANY more than 6x 400g tins a month of specialist formula, and they keep trying to cut that down to 4x 400g tins a month."

Shock Confused

Income should have nothing to do with it.

Surely if your son needs this specialist formula, he needs as much as he needs and not some limited amount that you have to top up?

CouthyMow · 09/06/2012 09:18

You try telling my GP that! Apparently their budget doesn't allow for it...regardless of whether their allergy is life threatening or not.

I just physically CANNOT cover the cost of his nutramigen alone, so I am glad that my Ex-P is paying extra maintenance over and above what he should do according to the CSA, so that he is covering half the cost of his milk. If not, I'd be seriously fucked.

I AM getting help with that though, the lady that runs a local Allergy page is going to come with me to my next appointment, and explain the NICE guidelines on it to my GP...

CouthyMow · 09/06/2012 09:18

Replied, Mango.

AnitaBlake · 09/06/2012 09:56

couthymow, sounds exactly why formula on prescription should be indicated, and I'm sorry you're having such problems, you've probably saved the NHS a fortune already. Have you tried oatly for your DS? We use the fortified one for cereal etc, since I've stopped expressing. I can't tolerate coconut either!

Spiritedwolf · 09/06/2012 13:22

Couthy, obviously not instead of the specialist formula that he needs, but have you looked into how vegan parents feed their toddlers? (or do they just feed soya?) There must be good advice out there somewhere about what weaning foods would help in a case like this - although obviously your son (if not vegetarian) would be able to get some nutrition from meat as well.

On the general issue, I'm not convinced that substitute milks should be commercial products at all - in which case they could be available on prescription for all those that required them and/or available free for those who needed them because of medical issues and at cost of production for those who choose not to feed breastmilk through pharmacies. Without the cost of advertising and promotion, the cost would be significantly lower even for those 'choosing' to artificially feed.

The lack of a profit motive would also mean that there would be no incentive to use some of the dodgey tactics mentioned on other threads that these companies use to undermine mother's confidence in breastmilk/feeding.

I'm not sure if that is the whole, or only answer though. You could have private companies still produce the milks and make a profit, but in unbranded packaging and have more regulation of the ingredients in/quality of artificial milks. This combined with independent advice about the composition of different cans and science/medicine based research into improving recipes to reduce the risks associated with artificial feeding.

I don't know the exact answer to this... but it is possible to:

  1. be concerned about the marketing tactics used to undermine breastfeeding
  2. be cynical of the prices of artifical milks given the advertising budgets of companies
  3. be supportive of breastfeeding as biologically normal and optimal for health of both mother and baby in almost all circumstances
  4. believe sincerely that more women could breastfeed as long as they wanted to with the right individual support
  5. believe sincerely that more women would want to breastfeed with the right societal support
  6. AND be understanding of the various reasons why women stop/or don't begin breastfeeding whether they wanted to breastfeed and struggled or not and respect their circumstances and bodily autonomy.

I believe all of those things, all at once. Even when it makes my head hurt trying to figure out what the best solution for women would be. Confused

This doesn't have to be a war between women who breastfeed, women who could have breastfed with more support, women (and adoptive parents/single fathers) who would have liked to breastfeed but couldn't and women who did not want to breastfeed for any reason.

CouthyMow · 09/06/2012 13:45

Haven't tried Oatly, might talk to the GP about giving that a go.

DS3 not veggie, but is a severe food refuser, unless it is rice cakes or potato waffles. He only eats about 6 baby spoons worth of food at each meal, and that's after an hour of coaxing.

I don't give him waffles every day btw, only once a week, the rest of the time it is healthy, home cooked food. He just has an aversion to all food. It is making it hard to cut down how many bottles of nutramigen he is having, but he is a stubborn little toad rather strong willed, and he clamps his mouth shut when he doesn't want to eat food. I and the HV are working on this.

My older DD was the same until about 2.5yo, but now she eats just about anything, so I wouldn't be overly worried except for the cost of nutramigen, as I know he will develop an appetite at some point, and given that he is speeding around the house from 5am till 11pm with just two one hour naps a day, I don't think the lack of proper food is causing him issues!

I just keep offering him the same food as we are eating at every meal (or a replacement if we are eating dairy), but very little goes in. It's just the cost that causes a problem.

Thelobsterswife · 09/06/2012 15:16

Spiritedwolf you are very wise!

G1nger · 09/06/2012 16:32

Has anyone mentioned that bf'ing mums need to pay to take in extra calories in order to make the milk... That's surely more than £10 a week in good food (in cake).

Thelobsterswife · 09/06/2012 16:40

Yes I think it was.
Another downside of having to formula feed is not being able to justify eating copious amounts of cake like last time! Although it doesn't appear to have stopped me eating it this time!

Xmasbaby11 · 09/06/2012 16:47

Apparently it used to be provided free by the chemist but there were problems with it being a food rather than medical product.

I agree it is v expensive. We started on Aptamil in hospital and continued with that - never cheaper than 9.49. I have no idea how people on a low income can afford it, never mind the bottles etc!

OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere · 09/06/2012 16:54

I had to buy it for DS2.
I couldn't breast feed because I hadnxdt given birth to him.
I was not entitled to CB because his mum kept claiming it.
Even when she deigned to hand over a milk voucher I couldn't use it in my borough.
SS wouldn't pay because they said I didn't need any help because 'it shouldn't cost you anymore than if he was your own child'
The fact that he wasn't, that they had asked me to take him and that it was costing me a good deal more than if he had been my own child was dismissed out of hand (until I unleashed the power of a patronised woman on their lying arses)

This was 9 years ago and it was costing me a fortune. The poor little bugger could only take an oz ata time and he needed feeding every hour.

tiktok · 09/06/2012 16:59

"Has anyone mentioned that bf'ing mums need to pay to take in extra calories in order to make the milk... That's surely more than £10 a week in good food (in cake)."

No one has mentioned it (I hope) because it is just not true....see other threads passim on mumsnet.

happywheezer · 09/06/2012 17:05

These tins of SMA hungry baby milk cost £36 for 6 tins
If you go into the store they are £6 a tin. I always thought that formula had to be priced at a certain price they are not allowed to reduce it or have offers on it.
www.homebargains.co.uk/products/1107-sma-extra-hungry-infant-milk-900g-case-of-6.aspx

I'd like to feed my family of 4 for £30, I suppose I could if they only ate potatoes.

AThingInYourLife · 09/06/2012 17:08

"On the general issue, I'm not convinced that substitute milks should be commercial products at all - in which case they could be available on prescription for all those that required them and/or available free for those who needed them because of medical issues and at cost of production for those who choose not to feed breastmilk through pharmacies."

So who would make it?

And why?

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