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breaking my heart but might have to stop bf'ing

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Flipjango · 15/05/2012 10:28

My baby is 5 weeks old now. I was absolutely determined to breastfeed, and am a great advocate of attachment parenting so had intended to carry on as long as possible, maybe even up to 2 years. I did loads of prep when I was pregnant and have to say that I (perhaps rather arrogantly) thought it would be easy - though you are led to believe it will be by all the literature. Anyway, so far we've had nothing but a nightmare and now i'm not sure if I'm left with many options but to quit which has had me in flods of tears all morning. The little man never nursed very well from the beginning. He would latch no problem (doesn't seem he's is very fussy - he doesn't care where the milk comes from and will take bottle, breast or cup with no complaints) but he had me in agony. By day 2 I was bleeding, scabbed and swollen. So we saw everyone we could - two different IBCLC, various breastfeeding clinics at the hospital and locally, midwives, LLL groups, to try and work it out. He had a posterior tongue tie which was corrected but made only a little difference, even with very dedicated suck training afterwards. It has be diagnosed that his hard palate is very flat and wide, and he has a very small mouth. I have very large areola but not very protruding nipples, so the conclusion seems to be that he may never really feed all that well, or certainly not until his mouth grows bigger, because no matter what position we use, or which tricks we use to try and get more in his mouth, he never really opens wide enough to stuff enough nipple in. Anyway, things marginally improved, in that he was now sometimes feeding with less pain and I could bear it, occasionally feeding very well, but other times, still just as bad as before. There seemed to be no rhyme or reason as to why some feeds were better than others, and have had his latch checked endlessly only to be told it seems to be ok. He is a sleepy baby it seems, and has a strange suck pattern, which I've also had looked at by a chiro and a cranial osteopath, but they have both said his head is pretty well aligned now after some adjustments. He doesn't exactly fall asleep during feeds, but only swallows about every 10 times he sucks, even with compressions and tickling his ear and feet. A feed can take anywhere from an hour to two hours, and then he's hungry again afterwards. If he exclusively breast feeds he gets green poos, which only leaves the option to pump first so he gets the hindmilk first, but when you have a crying baby wanting to be fed, who has 10 minutes to pump first? I dont have any problems with low supply as I have been pumping and first finger, now bottle feeding him since the beginning and I have plenty of milk. He it growing very well and thriving on my milk. Anyway, a couple of weeks ago I got really bad mastitis. I did everything I could to fix it without drugs - garlic, echinacea, vitamin c, grapefruit seed extract, massage, hot compresses... (I'm quite militant and even had a vaginal breech birth drug free as I didn't want him drugged from the beginning) but it got worse and worse and I got really ill so had to take antibiotics. The antibiotics made the little man so unwell that he was in awful stomach pain and throwing up the whole of every feed and losing weight, so was left with no option but to either stop them or give him formula. Under doctors supervision, as the fever had broken, I stopped the antibiotics after 10 days, even though the lump was still there. Then I got thrush which is still something of a problem. Then I got mastitis again and several bouts of blocked ducts in my other breast even though I was being diligent with either feeding or pumping, but managed to control it with natural remedies. And now I've got mastitis AGAIN, and I'm really sick this time, so have had to have more antibiotics. I live 250 miles away from my parents, my husband is an orphan, all my friends work full time, and my husband has a demanding job, which he can't really afford to mess with in the current economy, so I'm completely alone in looking after the baby during the week. And I feel absolutely horrible. I can hardly touch the baby I hurt so much. My body aches, I can't get out of bed, and it looks like I might have an abscess in my breast this time. I don't want to give him breast milk with antibiotics after last time, so we are formula feeding most of the day, except first thing in the morning when based on the half life of the antibiotics, they should be reasonably clear from my milk.
I am starting to feel that no matter how good for him breast milk is, this is not in any way good for my relationship with my son. I have to pump so much I can't cuddle him for hours of the day, and I'm either sick or in pain the rest of the time. I'm getting scared of feeding because of this, and I can't afford to keep getting ill like this - when he is more mobile and less sleepy, its clearly bad for his development if I can't play with him. So I suppose I'm looking for some moral support, maybe for someone to notice something i'm doing wrong, or even to be told that its ok to give up now. I have got myself into a mind set where I feel like I'm giving him poison by giving him formula, but I can't see any other options (except maybe to continue to pump for a couple of feeds a day alongside formula so that he continues to get breast milk and my milk doesnt' completely dry up). What should I do?? I feel so sad today.

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Wheresmycaffeinedrip · 15/05/2012 10:45

I was in a similar situation with dd1 no where near as drastic bit she was an awful feeder and no matter what I did I was left in pain bleeding and with a hungry dd. I felt like crying so many times as I felt a failure at not being able to feed my own child. Reluctantly I switched to formular and gave expressed breast milk along side. And I'm sure many will disagree but it was instantly so much better. Formula is not poison it's not as perfect as breastmilk but they do just fine on it. Sometimes u just have to say " I tried. Baby needs a mummy who is happy, calm, as well rested as possible and who can enjoy feeding a baby without resenting him for the pain" ultimately your baby will get fed. Breastfeeding doesn't work for everyone and there is nothing worse than people who judge or look down on a mum for bottle feeding. If you feel it will help then do it. I don't think anyone can read ur post and say that you didn't give it your best shot. Both my dd's were formula fed. Dd1 from 3 weeks and dd2 from birth and they are happy and thriving.

tiktok · 15/05/2012 10:56

:( :( flipjango :( :(

You are perfectly justified in feeling so sad and disappointed - bf is not meant to be painful or distressing, and yet you have worked through the text book of Big Breastfeeding Bugbears, you really have.

If you decide to formula feed, you can do it in a close, responsive and spontaneous way, so you get the 'relationship' aspects of bf, which are (to me) the main reason why many women are so drawn to bf in the first place. I don't really think mothers believe formula is poison - this is your head messing with you :) You are trying to rationalise your strong feelings, and thinking to yourself they must be there because you hate formula....but it's really because formula is not breastmilk, I think, that you feel this way.

Any of the bf helplines can give you support in talking through this, and other options which might include expressing alongside some formula (if you search fr the name pigletmania on this board you will find some of her experiences mirror yours, and she is expressing and her baby is about 3 mths now, I think).

HTH

fallingandlaughing · 15/05/2012 14:43

Poor you. You are trying so hard and it sounds exhausting.

One of my friends had a very similar story. She was absolutely determined to breastfeed. She had severe bouts of thrush and mastitis, problems expressing, her baby lost lo

She ended up formula feeding. Her wee boy is absolutely thriving and they have a great, close bond. He adores her and is very bright and healthy. She does feel guilty about not breastfeeding any more, sadly. But it was the right decision for them.

Agree that if you start formula feeding you can keep some of the great things about breastfeeding going - feed on demand and skin to skin, keep it mainly or wholly for you to do. There is research to say that some of the benefits from breastfeeding may be more from how it is delivered than the actual content of milk/ For example, demand fed babies tend to be brighter whether or not they are breast or formula fed.

NB I am not trying to promote formula feeding, I am a committed breastfeeder, i expressed for the frst week of my daughter's life as she was injured and couldn't feed direct from the breast. But sometimes breastfeeding doesn't work out. You can only do your best for you and your baby. Trust your instincts. Personally if I was in your position I would probably be strongly considering ending breastfeeding.

fhdl34 · 15/05/2012 15:54

Oh flipjango. I have no advice to give but just wanted to send many virtual hugs your way. Whereabouts are you? I'm not allowed to hoover still because of section wound not healing properly but would be happy to lend a hand with other stuff. Or just bring you some cake and tea, I have chubby shoulders, they're very comfy :)

Viewofthehills · 15/05/2012 23:22

Breastfeeding can be great.... but it is not more important than your relationship with your son or your own health. If you decide to stop now you should not feel at all guilty about it.
I have also breastfed mine, but in your position I would probably stopped.
It is easy to forget that before formula some women still didn't manage to bf and their babies just didn't thrive.

Best wishes, whatever you decide.

GEM33 · 15/05/2012 23:30

flipjango, poor you, you really have had pretty much everything that can go wrong with breast feeding! Wish I could bring you tea cake and sympathy too. no advice just great big virtual hug and support for whatever you decide to do.

Hunterj · 17/05/2012 15:06

I understand because I have had a terrible time breastfeeding. You have to do what you feel is right for you both. My story is very different to yours, I am still BF ing at 6 months but sometimes I think that it has been to my baby's, my toddler's and my detriment. Sometimes you have to be stronger to say enough is enough and do what is best than you do to carry on! I am not strong enough, that is why our nightmare continues. You need to do what it takes to get yourself well enough to care for your baby. Don't make the mistake of not allowing yourself to enjoy your baby. Do what you have to do because it is obvious how much you love your baby by what you have already endured. Good luck and let us know how you get on!

somewherewest · 17/05/2012 18:02

Poor you Sad. If you do end up FFing please please don't feel guilty. It sounds like you've done your best. I don't think anyone knowing your circumstances would judge you for it in a million years.

MakesCakesWhenStressed · 17/05/2012 19:43

I admire you're strength and courage for persevering so long. I think you have given your baby the very best start, bite give yourself a chance

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MakesCakesWhenStressed · 17/05/2012 19:44

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pigletmania · 17/05/2012 20:50

hi yes I have been expressing for 4 months now, and alongside formula when i do not have enough t give to ds. I had a rocky start when ds was born in January, he basically was deyhdrated., jaundiced and had t have top ups. This spelt the death knell of ds every latching on so i started to pump and have been ever since

pigletmania · 17/05/2012 21:05

Like others have said, feeding is just a little part of being a mum. You have tried your very best. you have to now enjoy your baby and if that means expressing like i am or giving formula, try not to feel bad Smile

Jakeyblueblue · 17/05/2012 21:16

An awful lot of people would have given up at the cracked nipples bit, so I think you've done remarkably well and no one could ever doubt your commitment.
Yes breast is always best and what nature intended but sometimes mother nature just doesn't work how it should. Exactly the same as when women end up having to have emergency sections or have to be induced etc. it's no ones fault and there's nothing anyone can do to change it and it's times like this when we should be thankful that there are alternatives to fall back on. Formula isn't poison, it's a perfectly good alternative if breastfeeding doesn't work out. Your baby will continue to thrive and you will soon be a happy and healthy mummy again.
I am mum to a ebf one year old and would have felt exactly the same as you if I had been in a similar position but you have given it more than your best shot and you ought to be very proud of yourself Grin

littleweed10 · 18/05/2012 22:44

Your post is so heartfelt, you are showing massive commitment and guts and love and all those wonderful things. I so feel for you, and can't really say anything more than the other lovely posts above.
I just wanted to chip in about lack of local support- I had bf problems in no way as serious and painful and upsetting as yours, but I did suffer from no local relatives - both sets of parents living over 2 hours away, my lovely sister 4 hours away etc.
If you get on with your folks, could you consider your mum visiting you to act as a support in feeding you, nurturing you, doing the washing, the shopping, all the bits that must be a real difficulty?
Or, stay with your folks? Not ideal I know as you want to be with dp, but I got so low, it was better for me to go somewhere I could get support. I decamped to my mums for over a week at a time so she could care for me, and help with the baby. So practically for me, I might manage a nap or try to clear another blocked duct (joy) whilst mum walked the baby, even for 20 minutes. Even 20 minutes was such a luxury as I had no local support when at home.
Either option might allow you a bit of additional support to get better (rest and good food is as much a remedy as meds) and try to break the cycle of the mastitis and thrush.
Aside from that, you mention you've tried lots of local bf support. I wonder if you've found one counsellor - whether from NCT, LLL or other- who you really relate to - and who 'gets you'? It took some time and tenacity to find a couple of local counsellors who were truly fantastic - one at a breastfeeding cafe type thing and another nct lady who I called, and came round whenever another problem ensued.
On the flip side I dealt with some women who were so bloody annoying and ' well you can't be doing it right' it nearly put me off asking.

I so hope you find peace and ultimately if such things existed, you would be winning an award for breastfeeding tenacity. Good luck and wishing you good health x

Gelsa · 18/05/2012 23:12

Flipjango,
Your story sounds so like many of people that I know including myself. At 5 weeks of bf my DS i was in agony and could not bear to feed him any more. I had lots of problems please see my prev messages on various fora. We went through similar problems with seeing all the health professionals ringing all the helplines, getting a tongue tie sorted etc etc but still I had the same probelms.

Breast feeding is complex!!!!! Its not just about latch or tongue tie, I believe its also about the shape of baby's mouth..... your nipple, baby's suck etc etc. But when you ahve a week old baby who you are desperate to breast feed iand you ahve all your hormones going round its difficult.

I therefore went to express and topped up with formula which is hard to begin with but you can get yourself into a routine with. i have done it without support from grandparents. My husband has been around at weekends and helps with my DD who is 4 in evenings but otherwise I have amaged it and I ahve managed to enjoy my son.

If you feel strongly about wishing to express once everything has healed with you then you can do. However that can be emotional too in some respects.

I think what is important is that you get yourself better. Could your parents come to stay for a few days to help out?

If you want any advice on expressing then let me know. But as I say it;s only when you are in this position that you realise this is quite a common scenario and you are not on your own.

You should be proud that you have made it this far well done!!!!

Also I agree do not feel ashamed re formula feeding you cancombination feed.

I really feel for because this is how i felt at your stage!!!!! its important to have an open mind and keep positive xx

KirstyDaisyBBandFifi · 19/05/2012 20:49

I agree with Gelsa - and am on a similar journey - if you are interested you could also look at the expressing support thread - I have been exclusively expressing for weeks - but like you had low weight gain, tongue tie, mastitis and thrush - all agony and all debilitating - my DD was horrifically ill when I was on antibiotics and thrush treatment so I had a two week period when I had to "pump and dump" - Expressing is certainly not an easy option but it is a way to keep going if you are determined to do so and all other routes seems to have failed... Welldone for what you have done and be kind to yourself - being a mum is not just about this part - but when you are pregnant and then have little one there seems to be so much pressure... enjoy your darling baby as they grow up so quickly and if all you remember from their first weeks/months is pain you will miss out on the truly magical part - their life journey and its first steps.... Good luck and please let us know how you are doing....

lilbreeze · 19/05/2012 21:07

I'm currently bf dc3 and each time have persevered through cracked raw nipples for the first week or so. I consider myself very committed to breastfeeding and have never used formula.

However... I really don't think I would have stuck it through the problems you've had - it sounds awful. Statistically babies do better on breastmilk than formula but for an individual baby there's unlikely to be much difference.

Personally I think I would give up bf in your position.

Good luck and be kind to yourself.

Flipjango · 30/05/2012 18:27

Sorry its taken me so long to get back on this thread. A lot has happened since I posted this message, and just now reading back on the wonderful words of support from you all has brought tears to my eyes. Thank you all so much. Unfortunately the day after I posted this I was rushed into hospital extremely unwell and it turns out I had a massive breast abscess which had to be surgically drained of over half a pint of fluid. I had also contracted MRSA in the wound, and the abscess ruptured leaving me with several milk fistulas which I am still dealing with. Its all been a but of a nightmare, but the result of it was that the drugs I had to take for the MRSA and the fistulas resulted in my having to quit breastfeeding (and expressing) pretty much immediately. DS has been on formula for over two weeks now and is doing pretty wonderfully actually, having since gained weight a lot better than he had on breast milk. I'm still pretty sad not to be breastfeeding - I miss knowing my body is nourishing my baby, but I'm dealing with it. I'm a lot better in myself and coping with motherhood better since I was forced to give up as i have a lot more energy and am not constantly worried about feeding. I think my milk has close to gone now. I'm still thinking of trying to relactate when the fistulas heal, but maybe that's too much pressure to put on myself. Its a really hard decision - whether to just accept that its over or not. But circumstances are what they are and at least for now, DS is a thriving happy formula fed baby. I'm sure he'll be fine whatever we do in the end!

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fhdl34 · 30/05/2012 18:34

What an ordeal you have been through flipjango. Be kind to yourself and look after yourself. After all you've been through I admire you for even considering relactation but perhaps that is a decision best left until you are fully healed. For now, I think you should concentrate on raising your beautiful baby and getting better until you're fully healed.
You are a great mum and if it would help any, perhaps you have some skin to skin time with your son, or maybe take a daily bath together? Someone I know was advised to do this after she stopped breastfeeding when she missed it.

lilbreeze · 02/06/2012 22:39

I've only just seem your update - you poor thing that sounds awful!!

Glad you're feeling better now and that your ds is doing well. Hope you have a much easier time from now on. Enjoy your baby x

Wheresmycaffeinedrip · 02/06/2012 22:44

I am so sorry to hear what you have been through :( I hope you are feeling better and that your dc is ok. Stopping breastfeeding doesn't mean the end of everything I second the baths together and lots of skin to skin contact you don't have to give up that side of it :) sending healing happy thoughts :)

Ozziegirly · 03/06/2012 06:29

Wow, you have really been through it.

My DS never fed from me - he had to be syringe fed initially as he had low blood sugar when he was born, and just wouldn't suckle from me. Suckling just never took off (I also have flat nipples, largeish breasts and he has a small mouth). I expressed for 6 weeks but also suffered from 3 bouts of mastitis, basically just as I would stop the antibiotics, another bout would kick in.

It was shit because like most women, I thought "oh, everyone can breast feed, you just have to really want to" Hmm

Anyway, fast forward nearly 2 years and my DS is a wonderful, thriving, amazing, cuddly boy who is SO bonded with me and my DH. He comes into bed for cuddles with me every morning, kisses us both and is just the light of our lives.

I know it's only anecdotes, but he's never had an ear infection, stomach bug, anything worse then a cold actually.

Once the first few months are up, you barely think about how they were fed -or if you do, you can start to obsess about cooking everything organically from scratch Wink

balkanscot · 10/06/2012 10:58

Ozziegirly, this is more or less my situation. My DS is 7 weeks today and I am slowly coming to realise that he will never really BF. Tried BF clinics 5 times, nipple shields, pillows, you name it - he sometimes feeds when I decide to try yet again, but only for 10 minutes at the most. Have had mastitis, low iron levels, have tried expressing like mad. Expressing is utterly exhausting (6x a day) while also caring for my son, trying to squeeze 30-minute pumping slots hoping he won't wake up in the middle of a session. All this has prevented me from actually enjoying my lovely baby as all I could think about were pumping sessions. And I wanted to BF SO much!

I am slowly realising I will have to reduce pumping (and then stop altogether) and alongside not being able to BF I am going through a grieving process. Literally. As though somebody very dear to me is being put to rest. I will give it 1 more try with a private lactation consultant who comes to your home - if it doesn't work this will be the time to finally stop and begin to enjoy my little boy for who he is (lovely happy, healthy & smiley wee soul) rather than how much expressed breast milk he has had in a day vs. formula top-ups.

Flipjango, you have a big hug from me. Piglet, likewise.

Flipjango · 11/06/2012 15:14

Hey balkanscot - its a few more weeks down the line for me, and I've finally stopped bf'ing or even trying any more. And you know what? Its ok. He's happy, I'm happy. I've got so much more energy, I don't feel down in the dumps anymore. I'm glad its all over to be honest. I don't feel remotely any less bonded with him for it. It'll all be ok I'm sure.

Thanks for all the support ladies x

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