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to expect a bit more support and information re formula feeding

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Cazm2 · 15/04/2012 21:45

I have been ff since three days after my 3 week old was born.I had terrible labour and lost a lot of blood . I coukdnt get a proper supply going and in baby's,best interests we switched m. However cos nhs health professionals won't be very forthcoming with information re cf. I know breast is best but I can't fins hardly info. Official doc were made bug xestoyed. Very conflicting info re making up feeds in advance et !
Ldnt

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redwineformethanks · 16/04/2012 10:36

Microwave steriliser is the way to go. Don't worry about not breastfeeding. Loads of other ways you can be good parents

roundtable · 16/04/2012 10:36

I think you asked what I wanted to know in a much clearer way, thanks Easily

BionicEmu · 16/04/2012 10:45

Re: half hot, half cold method
I made a bottle as per tin, using 6 scoops of powder & 180ml water. ROLL it in your hands to mix (much better than shaking as it gets far less air in it!) Note what the total volume is - say 195ml. Then next bottle, add powder and 80ml of near-boiling water & top up to the 195ml with cooled boiled water. Obviously you have to play with the quantities of hot & cold water a bit until you work it out right!

Does that make sense? Am aware I'm not v good at explaining!

BionicEmu · 16/04/2012 11:01

Re: feeding in general
I know it's silly to still feel bad about it - in fact I was talking to a colleague the other day about our failed BF attempts & we were both in tears over our desks realising that we weren't the only ones! I guess I feel that the whole BF campaign is a bit misguided - those that will never contemplate BF seem to dig their heels in further, while those of us who try but can't manage end up feeling like failures, & at such an emotionally draining time too.

Rationally I know that without formula DS would probably have died, but emotionally he's my tiny, precious little baby & I should be able to do the basic care of feeding him! (ended up being tube-fed for 2 weeks upon readmission anyway)

At 18 months he is now a v happy toddler, although still bad with reflux, constipation & now has started having seizures.

But really - once your baby's in school who can really tell which child was BF & which was FF, or even a mix of both? In essence, I have come to realise that the important thing is to feed your baby - the how is secondary. (Not up for debate or discussion - this is not the place for that.)

Huge apologies OP for somewhat hijacking your thread, but huge well done on feeding your baby & being brave enough to ask for help when you needed it! x

HerrenatheHHHarridan · 16/04/2012 11:09

BionicEmu - yes, I've noticed that if you go into a public area, it's not like all the FF people are wizened and sickly while all the BF people are shiny and healthy!!

By the way, I am of the opinion that any statement containing the words 'I/you/he/she/they should' is probably a bad statement to make. We SHOULD all do our best and that's it :)

And you're not silly to feel bad about it at all - just normal....

MooBaaWoofCheep · 16/04/2012 11:15

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Moominsarescary · 16/04/2012 11:18

buttery you get a tiny little bottle cleaner with dr brown bottles to clean the inner bit, you have to make sure it doesn't drop down the plug hole though

stoatie · 16/04/2012 11:34

This is link for DOH/Unicef guidance - it is quite detailed and covers sterilising bottles and making up feeds.

www.unicef.org.uk/BabyFriendly/Resources/Resources-for-parents/Department-of-Health-bottle-feeding-leaflet/

BlackOutTheSun · 16/04/2012 11:37

op - I'm so angry in your behalf.

The NHS cannot promote ff but when asked they should take the time to explain it too you.

My local maternity ward had lessons on how you prepare ff and everyone was asked if they wanted to go (I was bf at the time). So if they can do that in 1 hopsital then why isn't it nationwide

AwkwardMaryHadAnEasterLamb · 16/04/2012 11:40

Ha the OP even been back to this thread? Confused

ABigGirlDoneItAndRanAway · 16/04/2012 12:04

The OP has been back to this thread several times as far as I can see.

LyssaM · 16/04/2012 12:10

I remember my awful struggle to bf and the midwife looking at my tits in horror at the state they were in, and my poor little boy struggling with jaundice and nothing going in.

So we ff - which meant OH going out to the nearest Boots and just getting what was there because I couldn't walk, and neither of us had the slightest idea what to do because we really wanted me to bf and we were basically just abandoned. I tried really hard to express, but it just didn't happen.

MooBaaWoofCheep - definitely recommend this, though I ff before the guidelines to make only as required, so I used to make up three or four at a time.

I really prefer cold water sterilising. You leave the bottles in there until needed, changing over the water every 24 hours (alarm on mobile), you always have a bottle in a sterile state. And you can wash bottles and put them into the sterilising water at any time in that 24 hours, just take out one when needed.

Lindam night time water heater/cold pack rocks! This is one source of them bottle store/warmer It made it so much easier during the night shift, I would recommend it to anyone, and the cold pack part with the ice pack and cooler can be taken out and about - avent bottles fit in it great!

I remember coming back from the hospital, we ff just before we left the hospital but when we got home ds was crying frantically for food. And we had to sit, as new parents, having boiled the kettle, waiting for 30 minutes (later we learned to cool it quick under the cold tap), mixing it up carefully in freshly sterilised bottles, completely at sea and desperate because the baby was crying and hungry and we had to wait for the formula. The comedy element was our old cat who was giving us a right mouthful all the way through because she thought we weren't looking after the baby right!

I just wish I could have had a bit of help in working out good routines and processes, and have been told about different types of bottle and steriliser.

Cazm2 · 16/04/2012 12:32

Thanks,ladies lots of positive responses. I might go with the flask during day with hot water then have a couple for night time to reheat? How long does water stay hot enough in flask roughly? I have a tommee tippee flask. She seems to be ok on advent bottles at moment and my electric sterilized takes 8 mins. Although past few days she's been bit grouchy maybe colicky. I use aptimal which she seems ok with. I was in tears for days after coming home and I tried to ebf but nothing was happening gp said I was asking to much of my body as was recovering from birth and blood loss. In the end I just thought my dd just needs feeding she got some goodness ar beg. I think more information needs to be made ante natally I had none my nhs class ran out of time for ff. And you shouldn't be made to feel a failure or useless because you couldn't or didn't bf. I really do think that more needs to be done with bottles sterilising etc and whether nhs wants to promote bf people should be given healthiest correct information re ff

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babyheave1662 · 16/04/2012 12:44

I got a Lindam Day and Night system which was briliant for the night feeds.

It has an insulated box with an icepack and room for two bottles in it. It then has an easy heating system that gets it up to the right temp.

this is it here and it was the best buy ever for night feeds.

Moominsarescary · 16/04/2012 12:44

I used aptimal, ds was prem and very windy and it seemed to suit him best. We filled the flask at the last feed so 11, 12 o'clock and it was still hot at 6 but you could check it with a thermometer so you have a better idea.

In the end a bought a mw steriliser, best thing ever

Also sticking the bottle in a jug and under the cold water tap at full pelt cools them down realy quickly.

OliviaLMumsnet · 17/04/2012 00:11

Hi there
We have moved this thread out of AIBu
Thanks
MNHQ

tethersend · 17/04/2012 14:13

babyheave, that looks fab- do you know if it fits Tommee Tippee bottles?

babyheave1662 · 17/04/2012 15:46

I don't know about tommee Tippee bottles, but it fit Avent ones just fine.

It was an absolute life saver. A really good nightlight you could see with, but kept everything muted. You tip a little capful of water in, press a button and it heats cold milk up to 37deg at the push of a button. Bloody brilliant invention.

kipperandtiger · 17/04/2012 20:44

I had an Avent bottle warmer that did the same - the Boots and Mothercare websites have a list of all the ones out there. I think they used the Avent one at Ikea for parents to heat up milk and jars of purees so am presuming it fits most brands.

PrincessOfPatna · 18/04/2012 12:07

If anyone is ffing a teeny baby just now and wants convenience when out and about, I went to the supermarket before and you can get Hipp in the glass bottles with disposable teats (like the ones they have in hospital).

I mix fed my DD from her being about 3 months and used Hipp as it smelt the least bad out of all the formulas, seemed to have the nicest texture and was rated the least unethical (I know :( ) in an article I found, also my DP didn't notice when I put the ready made in his coffee once :)

bobanna · 18/04/2012 21:23

Just linking to my thread about the difference between ml and oz

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/breast_and_bottle_feeding/1452775-Has-anyone-else-noticed-that-there-is-a-difference-in-volume-between-oz-and-ml-when-making-bottles

Another example of lack of information about bottle feeding

hcs266 · 31/05/2012 22:51

I also had a terrible time trying to breastfeed my son due having had a blood transfusion and him needing light therapy and formula for jaundice. When it all went wrong and I ended up bottle feeding I was on the verge of post natal depression due to the pressure to breastfeed. Once I reached breaking point and there was no going back from bottle feeding I found the support stopped. There are no support groups where you can go to talk about the emotions of it all going wrong and to ask for advice on how to prepare feeds, only support groups to try to help you to continue to breastfeed. I believe this is a really vulnerable time and more support is needed for those who pass the point of no return. If you would like to support me please join my facebook group www.facebook.com/groups/152821398183116/

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