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Phasing out breastfeeding....(sniff, sniff)

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voyageofdiscovery · 03/03/2012 21:53

My DD is 9 months and EBF. I do express every morning but only to use in her porridge and for the occasional nights out (she won?t take a bottle of expressed milk from me ? she did used to, but decided she liked breast best!)

I am returning to work in 3 months and whilst I am really (really) sad to even think about stopping breastfeeding I know that realistically I will have to stop by the time she is 12 months old. I?m looking for some advice on the best way to go about phasing out breastfeeding in a way which isn?t traumatic for DD or me!

Currently she has a morning feed when she gets up (8am-ish), a mid-morning feed (10am-ish), mid-afternoon feed (3:30pm-ish), bedtime feed (6:45pm-ish) and a dream feed (11pm-ish). She usually falls asleep after her mid-morning and mid-afternoon feed (I?m a bit concerned that stopping these feeds will result in a lack of naps!). She eats 3 good meals a day and has water in a sippy cup with her lunch. She also has a mid afternoon snack, but will still have a feed after this. She will have a good amount of milk at all her feeds.

So how should I go about dropping feeds? Should I stop them completely or replace them with milk (either expressed or formula) in a sippy cup? And how should I do this? I know DD will not be happy with a sippy cup in place of a breastfeed! It seems sensible that the mid-morning and mid-afternoon feeds will be the first to go ? is this right?

DD will be starting nursery at 12 months and I don?t want to suddenly stopped BF at this time as I think it might be too much change for her. So I?m conscious that I should probably start phasing BF out now.

Any words of wisdom welcome. (My HV basically told me that she couldn?t advise me on this ? helpful!)

Also I feel teary just thinking about not feeding her ? like she won?t be my little baby anymore and won?t need me anymore ? does this feeling go away?!

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NearlyPastTheYardarm · 04/03/2012 09:06

I would suggest the pre-nap and dream feeds - get rid of the association between breast and sleep (this is the harder part). I would not expect a nine mo baby would need a dream feed at all; the others can be replaced with a drink (formula, expressed milk, water, I think you're supposed to wait to give milk) and maybe a larger snack if she's hungry.

The others you can do in whatever order you like, but do one at a time. I would recommend a bit of a gap, 1-2 weeks perhaps, between dropping feeds to allow you and your baby to adapt.

I thought I would miss it but once you get a bit of distance from it, it really wasn't a problem. I did make a bit of a thing out of the last feed and that worked for me.

Stuntnun · 04/03/2012 09:17

Sometimes I think you need it more than your baby does, that might be why some people go on feeding for so long (my SIL fed her baby until he was 2 1/2!) You don't have to stop at all, you could keep feeding her in the morning and evening. You'll probably find that without the stimulation your milk will gradually dry up and she'll give up along with that.

squiggleywiggler · 04/03/2012 09:56

If you do want to stop completely there's some really good advice here www.kellymom.com/bf/weaning/how_weaning_happens.html#gradual

and you could ring a breastfeeding hotline and talk it through with someone experienced who can help you come up with a plan? Or pop in to your local breastfeeding support group.

If you do want to continue breastfeeding loads of people manage to feed before and after work and keep up a milk supply enough for this. You've been feeding for a good while, your supply should be well established and robust enough to cope with this.

There are loads of benefits to continuing breastfeeding in this way if you want to. I feed my 24 month old twice a day - something she's done since about 12 months.

organiccarrotcake · 04/03/2012 11:22

stuntnun the biological weaning age of the human is estimated to be 3-7 years. Feeding to 2 1/2 is very common and is absolutely for the mother - continuing to breastfeed continues to reduce her chances of breast and ovarian cancer and osteoporosis. This is on a dose basis, ie the longer she feeds for, the more protection she gets.

On the other hand is it just for the mother? Have you ever tried to breastfeed a child that doesn't want to? That's just not possible. Children who breastfeed for longer than other people expect continue to want to breastfeed.

A child's immune system does not mature until they are around 6 years old. The antibodies in breastmilk are designed to fill the gap between birth and the maturity of the child's own immune system. Furthermore breastmilk contains long chain fatty acids which are specifically designed to build human brains which is important throughout childhood. These cannot be replicated. These are just two reasons why the breastfeeding relationship doesn't have to stop when our society expects it to :)

voyage How you approach this really depends on your work schedule. For instance, if you work regular hours you can, if you want to, continue to breastfeed morning and night, and on weekends. At least you can cut down to just these feeds, giving you more time to transition without having to stop completely before you go back. If you work shifts then this might not be the best option, so just factor this into your choice of which to drop.

So say you're working normal hours, then yes, as you say, dropping the mid morning and afternoon feeds would be the best option to start with for most people in that situation. Ideally dropping one at a time, leaving about a week or more between a dropped feed, allows your body to adjust nicely without discomfort and minimising the risk of blocked ducts which can sometimes lead to mastitis. At 9 months her diet ideally should be around 50% breast or formula milk and 50% solids so I would be replacing those feeds with EBM if you can, or infant formula (not follow on). Not cow's milk.

9 months is a nice age to wean actually, if you're not planning to go for child-led weaning which as you say, in your position is not straightfoward. Generally a baby of 9 months is much easier to wean than an older child. So if you do find or decide that complete weaning is the best option then just continuing with the process of dropping one feed every 1-2 weeks should be relatively straightforward although you are more likely to have some difficulty with the bed time feed. Trying to do something different to her normal routine might help, especially in the morning. Having someone else around to do the night routine if this is possible can help. Lots of cuddles and love will help her to transition and at all times understanding her point of view, that she is having to reduce something that she loves, and trying to fill that gap with love.

It is absolutely normal to grieve the loss of breastfeeding and this can last for a while - and sometimes that sense of loss doesn't ever really go away completely, but feeling proud for the amazing gift that you have given to your daughter can be helpful. For instance, did you know that while reducing your risk of breast cancer you have also reduced your daughter's as well? Your little girl will still need you for a very, very long time and the ways that she needs you will change. You'll always be the person she turns to, and she will always love you. (Well, except for a few years when she's a teenager Grin). Don't dismiss your feelings of loss. Accept them and talk about them to someone who understands - and know that you are very much a part of a huge community of women who completely understand how you are feeling about that aspect of being a parent.

And finally, don't forget that unless you want to you don't have to stop completely. It's fine to continue for as long as you both want to when you are together, if that is your choice. Your milk supply will adjust.

imissbluesky · 04/03/2012 12:31

I work full time and have done since DD was 12 months. By then she had a bf in the morning and before bed. Sometimes a bf in the day that she asked for. I continued this feeding pattern at weekends and on the days I'm at work she had morning and eve feeds. She gradually stopped middle of the day feeds but still has morning and bedtime feeds - she is now 22months. Thought I would post just in case you didn't want to stop feeding altogether.

voyageofdiscovery · 04/03/2012 12:58

Thanks for all your responses.

Squiggley I'll definitely have a look at Kellymom - thanks for the link.

Organic I won't be able to continue feeding in the morning as I will have a long commute and this also means that I'll have to stop expressing in the morning (just now I express first thing). I do hope to continue the bedtime feed for as long as its practical and possible and might try to express at this time too.
Thanks for your lovely words about the loss of breastfeeding - made me cry -I wondered if I was being over emotional and stupid about feeling so upset about giving up. It is difficult to give up something I think is so special to both DD and me. :(

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voyageofdiscovery · 04/03/2012 13:03

Imissbluesky how did you get down to just a morning and before bed feed by 12 months?

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RecursiveMoon · 04/03/2012 13:04

Another fantastic post from organic Smile.

Fenouille · 04/03/2012 13:39

Voyage, I bf DS in the evening only and travel for work reasonably regularly (up to 4-5 nights away from home). DS is now 16 mo and I've been back at work for 12 months so if you can find a rhythm that suits you both being back at work doesn't have to mean the end of bf.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

BettyPerske · 04/03/2012 13:53

Good luck with it, I opened your thread as I tried to stop bfing ds2 to sleep from when he was about 13 months and I kept getting mastitis, which I'd never had with ds1. That gradually cleared up and I never managed to wean him, well, now at 4 and a half he has only just stopped, very gradually, still occasionally asks for it but I can say no now and he is Ok with that.

I never meant to bf for this long but I am encouraged by Organic's post that it might have been a good thing.! Don't want to hijack, so will just say I hope you find a way that doesn't feel too sad for you and your dd, I only started to not really care about mine stopping once they had something else to replace me, ie ds1 liking his 'bockle' and ds2 just being a big old heavy boy Smile

so I think that feeling is perfectly natural.

Stuntnun · 04/03/2012 14:57

Organiccarrotcake I agree that biologically, i.e. from an evolution point of view, humans are designed to breastfeed until up to age 5. In the developed world we no longer need to breastfeed our babies at all and, certainly in the UK, it is not socially acceptable to breastfeed a school-age child. As in all child-rearing matters it is up to the parents to decide what is best for their children. I do think that with breastfeeding, the closeness and bonding is very difficult for the mother to leave behind. I fed both my sons until 9 months at which point they lost interest so I stopped but I do remember the disappointment that that phase of our relationship was over.

RecursiveMoon · 04/03/2012 15:23

Just thought that I'd add my experience voyage. MN really helped me when I was trying to figure out how to keep BFing in a way that fitted in with our family life.

I went back to work full time when DS was ~1 year old. At that point he was usually BFing 4x / day (he'd sometimes have formula / cow's milk from a Tommee Tippee free flow cup during the day to get him used to it). When I first went back to work, he'd BF when I got home in the evening, in addition to the morning and before bed BFs. Now he only BF's in the morning and before bed (and we had a trial of no BF before bed last night, cow's milk instead). I think we'll keep the morning BF for some time.

Good luck finding something that works for you Smile.

voyageofdiscovery · 04/03/2012 15:41

Thanks Recursive good to hear your experience. Can I just ask - when you were at work what did your DS drink?

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TerrorNova · 04/03/2012 15:59

I will add my experience of a slightly younger baby. I went back full time at 7mo. I was expressing midday initially but stopped by about 8mo. I sent either formula or ebm to nurseries. By 9mo DD stopped taking these bottles. So she's down to bf morning (6.30-7am), after work (5.30) and one or two bf through the night (mostly 10 and 3).

She is offered snack mid morning and mid afternoon. Usually fruit and biscotti or malt loaf. I've given permission to let her have cows milk at snack time around 10.5mo.

I have been giving her bf as snacks on non work days. But I'm starting to drop them now she's 11mo. I started to give her fruit and yoghurt instead of bf. Bfis actually easier to do but I want to be off all day feeds around 12mo. ATM I give try to give snacks if I can find the time.

I'm not so sure myself about stopping bf. I think I will be quite sad about it. Also I'm not sure about getting DD something to drink or eat during the middle of the night. But I do look forward to the day I can buy some nice lingere.

RecursiveMoon · 04/03/2012 16:08

When DS first went to the CM, I supplied pre-made up formula, but he wouldn't drink a lot (and he was nearly 1 year old), so the CM soon started to offer him cow's milk instead. I was worried about him having enough milk / dairy, so we made sure that he ate a lot of Greek yoghurt/ cheese yoghurt etc. It did take a while before he would drink a more realistic amount of milk from a cup - a few months IIRC.

RecursiveMoon · 04/03/2012 16:12

Sorry, by pre-made up formula Confused, I meant pre-made cartons of formula.

Stuntnun · 04/03/2012 16:42

Voyage does your DD take a bottle or sippy cup? My DS2 wouldn't take a bottle or sippy cup at all so he had to go straight from breastfeeding to an open cup which didn't work too well!

voyageofdiscovery · 04/03/2012 16:49

Stuntnun She does take a sippy cup of water with her lunch - it is a bit of a struggle sometimes to be honest and I'm not sure that she gets very much. Ideally I want to avoid giving her a bottle and persist with a sippy cup. An open cup sounds tricky! :)

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nappymaestro · 04/03/2012 17:03

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Yesmynameis · 04/03/2012 17:12

OP, I just wanted to let you know that my DD was BFing a similar amount to your DD at that age.

Around 10.5 months of age she had dropped down to roughly 3 feeds in 24 hours. At just over 11 mo she was down to morning and bedtime bf. And she dropped the bedtime one around 13mo. She dropped all of her feeds naturally by herself. I knew she was dropping the feeds because she refused them or started biting me

I went back to work part time when my DD was 13mo and she started part time nursery. I have carried on bfing her in the mornings every day and occasionally at bedtime too, a bit more often if she's poorly.

Part of the reason why I wanted to carry on with at least some bfing was because I wanted to boost her immune system in the early months of starting nursery. I also felt that me going back to work was going to be a big change for both of us and I wanted there to be as little upheaval as possible around that time. I thought carrying on bf would give us chance to reconnect.

To be honest, even as a BF toddler, the amount of viruses DD has come home with in the 3 months since she started nursery has made me glad I carried on with bf, even though it's only one feed a day. I hope that doesn't sound too negative, I just really wish someone had warned me about the constant viruses they get at the start. It makes me feel I'm at least doing something to give her some armour against it all!

I have friends who have stopped bf around 12mo and friends who have carried on either just bf, or mixed feeding with ebm, ff or cows milk added in. All of them have found solutions that have worked reasonably well, but all have taken a slightly different path. I'm sorry if that sounds a little vague, I guess I'm just trying to say there is no size that fits all and you have to do what feels right at the time and what works for you and your dd. Good luck with whatever path you choose

BettyPerske · 04/03/2012 17:28

'...and, certainly in the UK, it is not socially acceptable to breastfeed a school-age child.'

Sorry to digress but stuntnun, erm, you what? Smile

Really?

Oops. Seriously I have a good few friends who do and have done this. Shall I tell them all it's unacceptable?

Stuntnun · 04/03/2012 18:50

Nappymaestro I meant that babies in the developed world don't need to breastfeed in order to survive. I 100% agree that it's the best option and I went through a lot to feed my first child myself when he couldn't learn to latch on. I fed him through nipple shields for nine months and he was exclusively breastfed until four months but my milk supply just couldn't keep up without the proper stimulation.

BettyPerske I'm not trying to be offensive, my opinion is live and let live and it's up to parents to decide what's best for their children. But a lot of people in this country have no tolerance for breastfeeding in public (my views on them are unprintable) and even more think that it isn't socially acceptable to breastfeed a school-age child. I'm don't agree with them but I recognise that a lot of people have that opinion.

BettyPerske · 04/03/2012 18:59

Thankyou, I understand it's something some folk struggle with but stating factually that it is not socially acceptable on a public forum could do some harm. that was why I wanted to state that among my circle it's very acceptable...but I thought the same as you until I actually asked people, and found they were doing it too.

organiccarrotcake · 04/03/2012 19:06

stuntnun sorry, I don't understand what you mean about not "needing" to breastfeed at all? I mean, there's an implication there that you feel that formula is now similar enough to breastmilk? It would be sad if that myth was allowed to be perpetuated. Certainly most, but not all, babies can grow, survive and thrive on formula but there are serious short and long term risks to not breastfeeding which are the same no matter where in the world the baby is raised. This doesn't make it a "need" but it does make it a serious public health issue.

For some people, breastfeeding a baby at all is socially unacceptable. For others it's not ok to BF over 6 weeks, 6 months, a year, 7 years, whatever their arbitrary time is. There's no specific age where it is socially acceptable for all and then it isn't. That's ok, they don't have to do it. But I will fight tooth and claw for mothers to each make their own choice about how long they want to BF for irrespective of any other person's opinion. It is THEIR health and THEIR baby's health that is affected by their choice and no one else's opinion should ever, ever be involved in that. On that you state we agree - that it is up to the parents to decide what is best for their children. I'm not sure, though, reading between the lines of your posts, that you honestly do feel that it's ok for a mum to BF as long as she and her child want to. Forgive me if I've read this wrongly - it's hard to read tone on text.

Frankly, forget bloody society. We are mammals and we are made to give our children milk. No Other Mammal drinks the milk of another species except when offered it by humans. Every mammal's milk is different and created for their own species - we are no different. To you, offering the breast to an older child may be odd. To me, offering the milk of another species to my children feels odd. Each to our own.

You are right that it is hard to leave breastfeeding behind but that is quite, quite different to term breastfeeding being all about the mother as though it's something that she is inflicting on the child without them wanting to breastfeed as well. It is perfectly normal for a mother to dreadfully miss breastfeeding (and also perfectly normal for a mother to be delighted that her time is over - and all other feelings in between). But let me say it again - you cannot breastfeed a child who doesn't want to breastfeed.

betty "might" be a good thing? Absolutely definately a good thing - in fact a truly marvellous thing :)

voyage Most mums can continue to BF once a day (so for you the evening) for months or years after all other feeds have stopped, at least from a milk supply point of view. Sometimes the low amount of milk being made will encourage a child to wean completely, and for others it just carries on. Offering the breast when you are at home means self-weaning is less likely, if this would work for you. Sadly there are no hard and fast rules over what will happen :(

Whatever does happen, yours has been a gift that keeps on giving, for a lifetime and for both of you. I hope that things work out in a way that's good for you both :)

organiccarrotcake · 04/03/2012 19:07

stuntmum we cross posted (partly because of my monster posts LOL). Thank you for the clarification.