Why not make up formula with BOILING water?

[MixedBerries]

Well, my level of expressing has finally led us to need a formula top up once a day. :(
I've read the manufacture's instructions and looked up the NHS and WHO guidelines (which are different actually) but my question is....
What's wrong with making it up using boiling water? I know it has to be at least 70 degrees to kill bacteria but why not hotter than this? Surely boiling water is more likely to kill the bacteria.
Is it because it destroys nutrients at that temperature? I've googled and searched MN but can't actually find an answer to this. Does anyone know?
As it happens he won't drink it anyway! He looks at me with a disgusted face and spits it out as if he's saying "what's this crap" but we have to persevere as there's no other option!

I think it's vitamins (esp vit c) that can be affected by boiling.

The odd feed wouldn't be an issue but every one could eventually lead to probs for the baby.
Advising parents to make up with boiling water would lead to all sorts of scalding claims

Better still read the above link

Thanks youngmother. Now that IS interesting. So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Bugger. Thought that might be the case! They reckon over 70 degrees isn't good.

MixedBerries sorry to hear about DS's TT and the ensuing drama. It can be a lot to deal with :( You have done really really well to EE for 17 weeks!

I don't know where you live, but the 'single serve' cartons are generally readily available at most supermarkets and chemists... I hope you can find some as buying the large ones and throwing so much away is a very expensive route :(

youngermother that's a similar article to the one I read a long time ago (might even be the one??) I will be keeping the link for future threads as it's far more convincing than me just saying it's kills off the nutrients!! :)

Once you are used to doing it with water at 70deg it's not actually that much of a faff - honest :)

Thanks ChippingIn. I'm just going to concentrate on the fact that we DID somehow get to 17 weeks of ebf. I'll be searching out the smaller cartons when we do our next big long-distance supermarket trip...we're quite rural here in the Welsh wilderness!

Thanks again youngermother- good tracking down. I can't believe there's not more information out there tbh!

Ohhhh Welsh Wilderness - sounds lovely :)

Definitely congratulate yourself (selves?) on getting to 17 weeks with EE. It's bloody hard and you have done well!!

Good luck finding one your DS finds acceptable :) (I hope you have some choice where you are??).

MixedBerries, the powder lasts only 4 weeks after you open the tin as well. When I went back to work ft, I found it just slightly more expensive to buy 20 cartons vs 1 formula powder ton.

And I got cow & gate from the local asda btw. It's cheaper than aptimal

When our Dts were in NICU the nurses were teaching a young mum how to make up formula (in advance, which current guidelines say you shouldn't do, but that's irrelevant!) and showed her some she'd made which had separated and gone lumpy, saying it was because the water was too hot.

70C is the best compromise they can find. In general, if it's one feed a day, I would take potentially denatured nutrients over a potentially fatal infection.

peeling current guidelines do accept making in advance, rapid cooling and storing in the fridge although it is less than optimal IYSWIM.

My company designs and manufactures baby bottles.
Mixed Berries asks a very good question when she asks: " What's wrong with making up a bottle using boiling water?" The reason why Mums are advised not to use freshly boiled water when making up a bottle feed is because water that hot produces a lot of steam. This steam creates so much pressure inside the bottle that it vents through the teat hole and the anti-colic valves squirting mum (and maybe baby) in jets of extremely hot water. It's much safer to use water that's been cooled down for a few minutes to avoid this pressure build-up inside the bottle.
I do share her surprise though that this isn't widely publicised.

npd1 If you work for MAM, could you please tell them that the lids are almost impossible to get off & the size 3 teats spray milk everywhere, ( Straight in babys eye, & she screamed for quite a while)

Thanks! Saves me emailing them,

So sorry to hear of your experience Woodenheart, I do hope your baby is now OK. I don't work for MAM but I do know several people who work there. I have made a note to let one of my contacts know of your comment.
How hot was the water when you made up your bottle?

Isn't it only 24 hours in the fridge for the opened cartons?
Also does anyone know why there is the 4 week rule for the open tub of powder? Is keeping it sealed in a dry cool cupboard not enough? I'm sure I've had my current tub open longer than 4 weeks but it is re sealed etc every time I use it.

Please do not make negative remarks like this! The media have always slated the HSE because they seek to protect workers from dangerous practices and hence impose costs that employers would rather not incur. The tragedies this led to - including in my own family two generations ago - re-echo in many lives. Yes inevitably some officers are over-zealous or enjoy their power but most I have met are sure that they are saving lives and preventing tragedies. So think again about you view of the HSE and others at all levels working to keep us safe. It is about common sense (esp raising our awareness eg Basic Food Hygiene for all)but also putting people before profit.
No I do not and have never worked for H&S; but I have known preventable tragedy and worked with HSE on enabling junior school children to visit local farms.

This was in response to Showmethemhappyfeet's post
There's prob some stupid health and safety against it, because of you spill freshly boiled water when your filling the bottle someone will try sue the milk company!
I thought I was replying to that but my post just got popped on the end!
(Bit of a newbie )