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Do you give your breastfed baby vitamin drops?

153 replies

haloflo · 31/01/2012 19:47

Specifically vitamin D? My friend is a nutrition student and said that its recommended to give breastfed babies vitamin D drops. I asked the HV who said only sick or babies who don't eat well need them. Who is right? From googling it looks like the NHS line is to give them. If its so important then why has no one told me this until now then?!

DD is 10mo and a picture of health.

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Chubfuddler · 01/02/2012 08:52

Folic acid can be bought really cheaply though, but I agree in principle. The message is out there about Folic acid, even my 75 year old fil knows about it. So why not vit d? Am cross now.

PriscillaQueenOfTheDesert · 01/02/2012 08:58

No we don't give vitamin drops. They've never been advised to me either.

Ds2 is still BF but both boys eat a varied and balanced diet including fortified cereal, salmon, mackerel and eggs. We also go out at least once a day every day.

We very rarely use sunscreen either. If it's very hot we stay in between 11-3pm and at other times the boys stay in loose long sleeved clothing and trousers. So they get their fair share of sunlight.

OneLittleBabyGirl · 01/02/2012 09:02

SardineQueen you can buy normal multivitamins isn't it? I'm using asda brand, and it has 5µg, 100% RDA of vitamin D. It's only £3.50 for 250 tablets or something like that.

OneLittleBabyGirl · 01/02/2012 09:05

PriscillaQueenOfTheDesert You should not stay in between 11-3pm on a very hot day! The only time you can get vitamin D in the UK is actually in the middle of the day in summer. The advice to stay out of the midday sun, and high factor sunscreen is for countries like australia.

See this.

nannyl · 01/02/2012 09:06

sardinequeen anyone on low income / benifits does get it free on NHS.

I think based on bbc prog last week, that about 2% of people eligable to get it free, claim it. (Ie vits for breast feeding mums, and drops for children)

nannyl · 01/02/2012 09:08

onelittlebabygirl if you are breast feeding you need double the normal 5ug dose. You need 10ug.

pregnacare and sanatogen and other big brand pregnancy tablets contain this dose, but own brand pregnancy supplements contain 5ug.

Chubfuddler · 01/02/2012 09:09

Probably because they don't know about it nannyl.

OneLittleBabyGirl · 01/02/2012 09:10

Yes you are right nannyl. Pregnacare does cost an arm and a leg!

SardineQueen · 01/02/2012 09:23

I'm not surprised no-one is claiming it, as no-one knows about it Confused

If it's a matter of public health then why aren't they dishing them out when you leave hospital?

Seems odd.

nearlytherenow · 01/02/2012 09:47

I do and I think it's really important. We have Scandinavian relatives who initially put me on to this, apparently supplementing with vit D (whether bf or not) is standard there. Both of mine (9 months and 3.5 - the 9 month old is BF, the 3.5 year old was bf until 18 months) have been given vitamins since weaning, for the vitamin D. I have found it hard to source vit D alone (not convinced that they need all of the rest of it).

Be aware that Abidec vitamin drops contain Vitamin D2. Studies have shown that D2 is much less effective in humans than Vitamin D3. So if you are giving vitamins because you want to ensure that your child is getting enough vitamin D, you might want to consider abother brand which contains D3.

malinois · 01/02/2012 09:51

Never, EVER, heard of this before. DS is 15mo and it's never been mentioned. HVs here are imaginary as far as I can tell though so that's probably why (only ever seen one once.)

Tooblunt2012 · 01/02/2012 11:51

My eldest was born in the US & it was standard advice there for breasted babies to be given Vit D supplements.

Petrean · 01/02/2012 11:57

I'm baffled by this... If this has been recommended why does no one know about it? I've never given vitamin drops to my 22 month breastfed DS! Sad

DW123 · 01/02/2012 12:03

I'm not sure when the advice came in but I was advised to supplement babies if bfing about 6 months ago. I was sceptical at first but went ahead after a bit of reading. I didn't realise it also applied to me too until a few weeks ago. And I am normally good on this stuff!

BrandyAlexander · 01/02/2012 12:33

I think there is a really good point on how people don't know about this. On reflection I realise that none of the hcp's told me to do this but I knew about it from my dm who was herself a hcp. That's really poor.

GinIsTheAnswer · 01/02/2012 15:45

Well! I've just been to see my, normally very sensible, HV & she new nothing about the hoohah as had just stepped back from holiday!!! She admitted the guidelines did exist but that she was of the opinion that diet & fresh air was sufficient for those in the South East & West of the UK. To be fair, she said that she'd get back to me once she'd looked into it.
WRT Vit d2 or 3, the latest research = no difference in absorption so Abidec would be fine. Abidec does contain peanut oil which I think is more important.Smile

crikeybadger · 01/02/2012 16:14

That's pretty much what my HV said Gin- ten minutes of daylight (even on a cloudy day) would be sufficient apparently.

BeverlyHills · 07/04/2012 11:54

Standard advice in the states (American Acadamy Paediatrics)

"For breastfed babies iron, zinc and vitamin D are especially important because breast milk contains tiny amounts of these nutrients. Around 4-6 months, baby?s iron and zinc stores become depleted ? and vitamin D supplementation is needed as long as you breastfeed"

WellKid baby vitamins here in UK provide all this plus omega 3 fatty acids, as we live in UK now we have been giving this to our EBF baby last couple of weeks since 4 months and will continue; she loves the taste and is so well developed, certainly only doing good. Also lack of iron and D can cause long term damage, so why take the chance??

No info on lack of iron issues here in UK, weird!!! Pls research yourself, or ask an American paediatrician ;)

Beveridge · 07/04/2012 23:21

I think you'll find Cow & Gate (and other artificial milk/baby food manufacturers) like to try and whip parents into a frenzy over low iron issues all the time (see notorious TV ad with huge cup of cows milk that they had to change to say that yes, cow's milk is a rubbish source of iron anyway).

Breastmilk may indeed contain apparently "tiny" amounts of iron, zinc and vit D but being breastmilk, the nutrients it contains are incredibly bio-available. Consuming large amounts of any nutrient is no guarantee that the body will absorb it if it comes from an artificial source. Millions of years of evolution is a pretty good indicator surely that nutrients presented in the form of breastmilk can actually be utilised appropriately by the recipient.

Take iron for example. Various stats suggest that as much as 70% of the iron in bm is absorbed compared to only approx 20% of that in fortified foods e.g. formula milk. Also the iron in bm is present in the form of lactoferrin/transferrin which mean that unlike exogenous iron which when present in the gut can 'feed' bacteria causing a higher rate of infections, these compounds present iron bound to a protein so only the baby's gut can utilise the iron. So fortifying an exclusively BF baby's diet with iron is not without risk.

Also, the perception of the amounts of vitD present in bm as being "tiny" is questionable. We are not meant to get 100% of VitD from food, we are meant to get a large proportion of it from sunlight. So bm is not deficient in Vit D, it's simply only meant to provide part of a baby's requirements.

BeverlyHills · 08/04/2012 08:31

Here what you're saying and I would never give my baby formula (cow's milk!) breast is best without a doubt; but I'm afraid you guys are behind here in the UK. It's a fact that you need to supplement EBF with Vit D and iron, it's also a fact that breast milk plus nature provides everything baby needs. Contradiction? No. Not only are we supposed to keep babies out of the sun, but the UK doesn't provide much sun anyway. We even give D to our EBF babies in California so you Brits need to wake up. As for iron (REALLY IMPORTANT) scienceofmom explains better than I can:
Why Is Breast Milk So Low in Iron?
When I started feeling concerned about BabyC?s iron status (Does My Baby Get Enough Iron?), I did what most worried, sleep-deprived mamas do ? a Google search. What I found were pages and pages of forums and blog posts full of comments from breastfeeding mothers who couldn?t fathom that their baby wasn?t getting everything she needed from breast milk. Feed an iron-fortified cereal or give my baby iron drops? Why? Isn?t breast milk the perfect food for my baby? I found many mothers fiercely defending breast milk and accordingly delaying the introduction of complementary foods and shunning the use of any fortified foods or supplements. I felt compelled to write about this, because I think that in some circles the enthusiasm for breastfeeding has swung a little too far outside of what is actually best and natural for babies.
After days of research on infant iron nutrition, I came to the conclusion that breastfed babies really are at higher risk for iron deficiency. Breastfed babies need to start eating high quality solid foods around 6 months, ideally while continuing to breastfeed, because certain nutrients (including iron, zinc, and vitamin D) are present at low concentrations in breast milk. The nutrient composition of breast milk is ideal for young infants (< 6 months), but in older infants, breast milk is really no longer the perfect food. It is an important part of a more complex diet, along with complementary foods.
Here is a very brief summary of infant iron nutrition (I?d like to tackle vitamin D and zinc in separate posts):
Most babies are born with enough iron stores to meet their needs for about the first 6 months of life [1].
Breast milk contains very little iron (~0.35 mg/liter). The Institute of Medicine recommends that infants 6-12 months old get 11 mg of iron per day [1]. By this age, most babies? iron stores have been depleted, so this iron needs to come from complementary foods, in addition to breast milk or formula. If you try to meet your infant?s iron requirement on breast milk alone, she would have to consume between 4 and 13 liters of breast milk per day, depending on your baby?s efficiency of iron absorption from breast milk (estimates range from 15-50% absorption). Most exclusively breastfed babies don?t consume much more than 1 liter of milk per day.
Iron deficiency during infancy increases the risk of cognitive, motor, and behavioral deficits that may last into the teens, even with iron treatment. Specific deficits that have been identified include impaired motor development at 18 months [2], mental retardation at 10 years old [3], increased need to repeat a grade, and increased behavioral and attention problems [4]. When I hear parents say that they declined the test for anemia at their baby?s 9 or 12-month check-up, I have to assume that they don?t know how serious iron deficiency can be for their child?s future.
Babies that are exclusively breastfed beyond 6 months of age are at higher risk for iron deficiency [5-7] than those fed iron-fortified formula. This should not be taken as a deficiency of breast milk but rather as an indicator that it is important and natural for babies to start consuming solid foods around 6 months.
In light of these findings, I wondered:
Why would breast milk have evolved to be deficient in iron, putting babies at risk for iron deficiency?
What did the cave babies do before iron supplementation? This fascinated me.
We must remember that breast milk evolved over the last 2-2.5 million years to enhance infant survival (and also not put the mother at risk) in the context of the conditions of the time. In the developed world, there have been major changes in living conditions over just the last several hundred years, and evolution simply doesn?t happen that quickly. Researchers have proposed 3 hypotheses that could help explain why breast milk is low in iron:
Hypothesis 1. Babies used to get their iron from soil. Not too long ago in the history of the world, most people ate and slept on the ground, including babies. We all know that babies put everything in their mouths, and I doubt if cave babies were any different, especially as they became more mobile around 6 months of age. Iron in soil can be absorbed by humans [8]. Most other mammals are similarly exposed to soil and also have low concentrations of iron in their breast milk [9]. It is possible that breast milk evolved to have low iron concentrations because babies consumed plenty of iron through their environment (and why drain mom of iron if baby doesn?t need it?).
Hypothesis 2. Until recently in human history, the umbilical cord was not immediately clamped. In much of the modern world, it is common practice to clamp and cut the umbilical cord immediately after the birth of a child. Research has found that waiting just 2-3 minutes after birth before clamping the cord allows up to 50% more blood volume to pulse from the placenta to the newborn [10]. A 2-minute delay has been shown to result in higher total body iron and plasma ferritin (reflecting iron storage) at 6 months of age, equating to about an extra month?s worth of iron stores [11, 12]. Certainly other mammals do not rush to clamp the cord immediately after birth and therefore also get that extra dose of iron to the baby before cutting her off from mom?s supply.
Hypothesis 3. Breast milk may have evolved to have low iron as a mechanism for protecting infants from infection. Bacteria require iron to survive and reproduce, and many infections in young infants begin in the GI tract. What little iron is present in breast milk is bound to an iron-binding protein called lactoferrin. This limits the amount of free iron in a breastfed baby?s GI tract, which might also limit the growth of harmful bacteria. Older infants consuming iron-rich foods have more mature GI tracts that would be more resistant to infection. Although this hypothesis sounds plausible and is explained as if it is fact on sites like kellymom.com, there is actually not much hard data on it. Human milk inhibits the growth of E. coli in culture, but this effect is lost if enough iron is added to the culture to overwhelm the binding capacity of lactoferrin [13]. However, this has only been shown in culture (in a petri dish) and in animals. Studies in real live babies have shown mixed results, some finding no effect of iron supplementation on rates of infectious disease and some finding a small effect [14]. A 2002 review of 28 different randomized trials found an overall 11% increase in diarrhea in kids given iron supplements, but this small effect was not associated with iron-fortified foods, only iron drops [15]. In a randomized trial of 4- to 9-month-old infants in Honduras and Sweden, Dewey et al. [16] found that in infants that initially had iron-deficiency anemia, supplementation helped ? it reduced the incidence of diarrhea. However, in infants that were not anemic, iron supplementation increasedtheir incidence of diarrhea. This implies that too much iron can increase GI infections in infants, providing some support for the hypothesis that low iron in breast milk protects infants from infection.
Beyond these hypotheses, I have found no evidence that babies were breastfed exclusively much longer than 6 months throughout human history. Most 6-month-old babies are interested in eating because they are interested in putting EVERYTHING in their mouths. Given every mother?s interest in doing the best thing for her baby, I can imagine that babies have been given some of the best food available throughout human history, and in many cultures, that would be iron-rich meat (maybe initially pre-chewed by mom?). What about the babies that didn?t get enough iron in their diets? Before iron supplementation and awareness of the importance of dietary iron, babies probably were more likely to suffer from iron deficiency during the tender transition from breast milk to solid foods, and they probably suffered the consequences.
Thinking about breast milk from an evolutionary perspective helped me to realize that my breastfed baby, who is not raised in the dirt and had her cord clamped immediately after birth (not the plan, but that?s a story for another day), might need a little help getting enough iron in her diet

tiktok · 08/04/2012 09:28

I don't think we are 'behind in the uk', BeverleyHills, nor do we 'need to wake up'.

Whatever individual HCPs say, official guidance to UK mothers is to start solid food at six months.

Guidance is also to add Vitamin D drops to the baby's diet from that time.

Perhaps you are not aware of those points?

Rosa · 08/04/2012 09:55

In Italy they are advised for 12 months bf or otherwise.

NAR4 · 08/04/2012 11:27

This is the first I have heard, hence I thought I would read this quickly. My baby is 13 months old now but I have taken pregnacare the whole time so hopefully she has been getting enough. Is it recommended that she has Vit D drops as well as me taking pregnacare? Like SardineQueen I wasn't told this by my midwife or health visitor.

Mich100 · 08/04/2012 12:30

Vitamin D is processed by the body from being outside. You do not need blazing 'Californian' sunshine. If that was the case most of us here in the UK would be vit D deficient and this is clearly not the case. Forgive me but daylight means the sun is up, even if we cant necessarily see it. Get your LOs out into the fresh air that is all. Honestly, we don't need chapter and verse about research Smile. Being a parent can be hard and confusing enough.

tiktok · 08/04/2012 13:07

Mich, the research indicates many of us, including babies are children, may well be Vit D deficient. There is a powerful case for introducing vit drops in infancy. It is very difficult in Northern Europe, with 21st century lifestyles which mean living indoors and being wrapped up when outdoors, to get enough Vit D from daylight. Our sunshine is too weak, and we don't expose ourselves enough to it - this is very well researched.