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Have worked so hard for bf.. now not sure where to go with it! Help..

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PeelingmyselfofftheCeiling · 01/12/2011 17:27

Right, bear with me this might be a long one!

My twins arrived 10 weeks early by EMCS under GA. Clearly not the best start to bf.

I started expressing and after gut priming the NICU staff were tube feeding the DTs with expressed milk and fortifier, but neither of them could tolerate it, so moved onto expressed milk with 25 per cent prem formula. A couple of weeks in my expressed milk supply was not keeping up with demand, so they moved to 50:50. I went onto Domperidone and boosted the pumping regime, and managed to increase output. The DTs stayed on a 50:50 balance of EBM and formula, but despite the volumes going up I managed to bank quite a lot of milk in the freezer which came home with them (although has been used up since).

When we began breast feeding Dd showed some good interest in trying to latch, was dropping her jaw etc, but kept pulling on and off and couldn't sustain it, while Ds didn't really even try. So we tried shields, they both got feeding well, and we're still using them now.

In the last couple of weeks in NICU they were on a four hourly schedule and I was breast feeding once or twice a day, pumping the rest of the time, with them having bottle feeds or top ups of 50;50. They came home on the same schedule 4 weeks ago (now 11 weeks old), and now I need to work out where to go with this!

My dilemna is that using bottle top ups at every feed is really labour intensive and drags out feed time to about 1 hour 45 mins if I'm doing them on my own. I haven't really found time to regularly pump - I had been doing the 2am feed as bottle only for speed (so DH can go back to sleep also) then pumping afterwards, although for the past couple of days my supply at that time of day seems to have completely diminished. So we're using pretty much all formula in the bottles.

I attempted to taper down the top-ups, and once or twice have offered boob only, and they simply don't seem to get full enough to settle.

I'm aware if we tried to move to exclusive breast feeding it will be more time consuming (if I even could!), so I have been trying tandem feeding occasionaly. I can do it, but I don't think they feed so well in that position. Obviously they would need to feed more often as well, and I don't know if that's even feasible with twins. They are not yet efficient feeders - can keep going for up to 40 mins each, or can be lazy.

I also don't feel that bf'ing is always a very positive bonding experience - they both pull on and off, scratch and tug at the breast, pull off the shield etc etc. When trying to tandem feed it leaves me pretty beaten up! BUT I worked so so hard to come home with breast feeding an option, and I don't want to give up on it right now.

On top of everything they both have reflux, Ds much worse, which means he vomits regularly and profusely. So they are both on meds that need to be administered 3x a day (so ideally need some bottles at least).

From their point of view what we're doing is working as they're both gaining weight, getting their meds, and getting some boob time, but I would like to streamline things if I can. Any ideas on how to make this sustainable ??

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krustyloaf · 01/12/2011 18:54

Wow firstly you're doing so well! Well done! The advice my friend with twins was given was to dedicate a whole weekend to bumping up your supply by constantly bf them and pumping, if, with this and after say a week you still feel like its not enough you may have to admit defeat.. She was also advised that if this were the case, that perhaps expressing at regular times during the day (every evening?) would allow you to still give them some of your bm. I personally think with twins any bf after the initial few weeks is brilliant, you should be proud!

birdsofshoreandsea · 01/12/2011 18:57

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Crobbie · 02/12/2011 00:03

Firstly, huge respect to you for what you have achieved so far. You have clearly been through a lot to get to where you are now and you shouldn't underestimate the benefit you have already given to your babies.

I agree with others in that I think you would benefit from the opportunity to talk this over in detail with someone who can go through it all with you and help you work out a plan of action that would be good for you.

From what you say above there are a couple of things that immediately jump out for me. Sorry if you have already been through all of this. Firstly you say that you are still using nipple shields. I am not anti nipple shields at all (they saved my BF relationship with my DD) but there are a few things know to be associated with them that it might be worth considering. They can be associated with less high milk supply. This is due to the fact that the baby isn't quite milking the breast in the way they would if they were direct skin on skin. As you are reporting issues with supply it might be worth looking to move away from the nipple shields progressively? Is this something you have tried recently? Again that is something a counsellor could help you with.

Also, they can be associated with babies taking on air as they feed as often the seal between the shield and the skin breaks and remakes on and off through a feed letting air in. The air can cause wind which can increase the chances of the stomach contents travelling back up. As you are reporting issues with reflux this might mean again it is worth looking at either moving away from the shields now or checking that you have the right size shield for your breast and the babies' mouths. They do come in different sizes and shapes and it is possible to find some that fit better than others.

The other thing you mention is that the babies are not appearing comfortable at the breast (fighting you etc). This may be because they are not positioned in the optimal position when feeding and so are literally wriggling to try and get themselves into a position where they can latch better. I can imagine (well try to at least!!) that it is pretty difficult to position two little ones in great positions at the same time. Again a counsellor could help you look at your positioning?

I know I keep going back to the nipple shields but they are also often associated with lower flow rate / slower feeding than feeding direct from the breast and again this could potentially be a cause for frustration at the breast.

Do you have all the contacts you need to find a good counsellor?

I really respect and admire you for what you are doing. Good luck!

PeelingmyselfofftheCeiling · 04/12/2011 21:51

Thanks for the responses, and support.

Re the shields I know we need to lose them but whenever I try it's a couple of sucks max before they get frustrated and cry. Any tips welcome!

Also not sure where to go for real life advice? Can't seem to find any kind of bf group around here, is it best to phone somewhere like LLL?

Any other multiple/prem mums or bf experts, your input hugely welcome!

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bibobella · 04/12/2011 22:50

Hello peeling first of all well done! I will send you a private message, hope it helps.

CarrieInAnotherTWOBabiTWINS · 04/12/2011 22:57

I don't have much advice as I've never bf twins . Am pg with twins atm but wanted to say wow well done

DizzyPurple · 04/12/2011 23:11

I'd like to add well done too. Sounds like you're trying really hard and you've achieved loads aleady.
I would second the advice to speak to a trained counsellor - LLL, NCT, your health visitor may know of somewhere local to get advice too. Our local Child and Family centre runs weekly breastfeeding support sessions and there is also a breastfeeding cafe nearby run by a midwife and health visitor with particular interest/skill in breastfeeding.
Do try and get more help before you consider giving up.
Good luck.

silverangel · 05/12/2011 09:35

Wow Peeling, you're doing great. Similar story - twins delivered by EMCS at 31 weeks, expressed while they were tube fed and they were put on nutriprem 50:50. I never really got them to latch and supply was rubbish despite being on domperidone. They also have reflux and the meds are given by syringe before each feed and the gaviscon goes into their bottle. I gave up when they came home at six weeks as they still had to have the nutriprem and my supply wasn't good enough.

So a long winded way of saying no advice but well done for doing as well as you have!

theboobmeister · 05/12/2011 12:56

Call the NCT or LLL helpline and ask them to refer you to a counsellor who has BF twins herself. Even better, someone who has BF twins with a stay in special care. You should get a call back pretty soon.

Good luck ...

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