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Pre-school are doing a Nestle promotion

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DitaVonCheese · 15/11/2011 09:31

:( Do I say something? What? Give them a copy of the boycott Nestle article I've just written for an NCT newsletter?

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wannaBe · 15/11/2011 09:32
tooearlymustdache · 15/11/2011 09:38

i think it depends how deep your convictions are?

why did you write the NCT piece? were you asked to or did you send it unsolicited?

DitaVonCheese · 15/11/2011 09:42

Fairly deep dache (nice name!). I'm newsletter editor ... Wrote it because NCT obviously supports the boycott, it's our Christmas issue and Christmas is quite chocolatey, so it seemed relevant.

I just want to be sure pre-school have considered both sides, I'm always surprised how few people have heard of the boycott.

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tooearlymustdache · 15/11/2011 09:45

People haven't heard of the boycott because they aren't aware of the reasons behind it IME.

I think i'd be tempted to have quiet word, is it a basic sales promotion in the pre-school, are they going to benefit financially form it at all?

They might be more reluctant to drop it if so...

watfordmummy · 15/11/2011 09:45
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HelloShitty · 15/11/2011 09:46

Yes, I'd give them a copy of the article - if nothing else but to explain why your DC won't be participating in their promotion. DS brought a KitKat home from nursery the other day and I bristled slightly. I actually think it's only a small minority of people of a certain age who are aware of the anti-Nestle campaign. The young girls at our nursery certainly haven't a clue about it.

DitaVonCheese · 15/11/2011 09:51

I think you're right dache - as some of the replies on here have evidenced Hmm It's some sort of promotion where pre-school get stuff in return for Nestle product box tops. I'm not so bothered about them buying/using Nestle products (though obviously would rather they didn't!), it's the fact that they're actively encouraging people to buy Nestle stuff that's bothering me.

Shitty (Grin) I've just remembered it's their AGM tonight and I was planning to go so hopefully I will get a chance to mention it then and will take a copy of the article with me :)

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DitaVonCheese · 15/11/2011 09:55

Article for anyone interested:

"Enjoy a Nestlé-free Christmas

The NCT will be continuing to support the boycott of Nestlé products this Christmas ? why not join us?

The boycott of Nestlé products started in 1977 due to disapproval of the unethical and dangerous marketing practices used by Nestlé in countries around the world. It is important to note that this is a separate issue to the use of formula in general: the NCT believes that parents should be encouraged to make feeding choices that are right for them and their baby (NCT Baby Feeding Policy).

The issues

In developing countries, babies who are not breastfed are 10 times more likely to die in their first six months than a breastfed child. Below are just a few of the concerns that charities, governments and Non Governmental Organisations (NGOs) have raised:

? Advertising and promotion: Nestlé and other formula manufacturers create a glamorous impression of formula milk as an aspirational product, playing on ideas that it is more modern or developed than breastmilk. A prominent tactic in the past has been to give away free samples for long enough for the mother's own milk to dry up or donate heavily branded items to clinics worldwide, but especially in developing countries, in order to appear to be associated with medicine and health.

? Due to the cost of formula milk, parents in developing countries are often unable to use the required amount as it can cost up to a quarter of the household's income to buy formula, resulting in inadequate nutrition.

? Poor water quality in developing countries has been cited as a causal factor in the deaths of many babies fed on formula. This is coupled with the problems surrounding language and labelling because the instructions for properly sterilising the water and equipment may not be in the parent's native language. If you can't read the instructions, you risk making the product using the wrong quantities.

? A study by the medical journal the Lancet estimated that 13% of child deaths could be prevented by breastfeeding. It is recognised that irresponsible marketing of infant formula milk is a large contributory factor in normalising bottle feeding and the improper use of formula milk.

The Code

In 1981, the WHO agreed the International Code of Marketing of Breastmilk Substitutes (?the Code?), a policy to protect and promote breastfeeding. Governments are asked to bring the Code into law in their own countries, but the Code also calls on formula manufacturers to implement its provisions directly.

The Code exists to protect breastfeeding and to ensure breastmilk substitutes are used safely where they are necessary. It doesn?t stop formula products being sold ? it aims for mothers to receive information and make decisions without pressure from companies who want to sell more products. Nestlé, the largest baby food company in the world, has consistently broken the Code, as well as lobbying against the introduction of the Code in national legislation in many developing countries, hence the boycott.

The boycott

The boycott is supported by many organisations, from church groups, charities and wholefood shops to trade unions, local authorities and almost all students' unions. You won?t find Nestlé products at NCT events such as our Bumps and Babies groups or as raffle prizes and we don't use Nescafé coffee, buy Nestlé branded chocolate or water. If you want to support the boycott, you could do so just for the Christmas period or make a conscious effort to cut down on buying Nestlé products if you don?t want to stop buying them completely. The list of Nestlé owned brands is extensive and includes many brands that are not explicitly marketed with the Nestlé logo; you can find a list on Baby Milk Action?s website.

Campaigning for implementation of the WHO Code and support for the boycott is part of NCT?s goal of supporting all parents in their decisions about feeding. We want all parents to have good quality, unbiased and evidence-based information, free from commercial influences."

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tooearlymustdache · 15/11/2011 09:55

Dita even if you don't get a chance to bring the subject up during the AGM, at the least the relevant people will be there for you to voice your reasons to not support promotion.

I'd take a few copies of your article, and leave them about too.

Good luck

wannaBe · 15/11/2011 09:57

while most people don't know about the nestle boycott, what you also need to consider though is that of those that do know about it, most don't choose to boycott/care about it.

Have no idea why a preschool would be doing a nestle promotion, but personally I think that preaching to them about your agenda is a bit barking/will not show you in a good light.

tooearlymustdache · 15/11/2011 10:04

why is it barking?

it's not a theory that puts Nestle in a bad light, it's fact!

i agree that people should be able to choose, so what is the harm in giving people the option of an informed choice?

SmilingandWaving · 15/11/2011 10:07

I really don't understand that attitude wannaBe, since when does standing up for a cause you believe in show you in a bad light. Surely keeping quiet when you believe in something is worse.

I'd say something. It's not like you're telling them what to do, you're just giving them the information so they can make a fully informed decision.

whoopeecushion · 15/11/2011 10:10

I don't really understand this. Why don't nestle stop donating formula to babies in the 3rd world and instead donate something useful?

DitaVonCheese · 15/11/2011 10:14

This is the scheme I think. Grrr.

Nestle is one of the most boycotted companies in the world (top 3 or 4) so there must be a few people in favour of it.

Will take article and see if they'll put it up alongside maybe.

Or info is written on a white board at knee height so could accidentally brush against it Wink

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wannaBe · 15/11/2011 10:22

because it's A preachy, B political and C extremely patronising to assume that people are not boycotting because they don't know about it. And by taking in leaflets that is what you are implying.

The nestle boycott has become far more about baby milk action's personal vendetta than about the actual facts - they're not the only company that goes into the 3rd world in this way, and whether you like it or not, hey do good as well - bottled water in 3rd world countries/disaster situations etc, just by way of an example.

It's never black and white.

Don't participate by all means - it's a personal choice. But foisting your views on to others is just preachy and unnecessary - people are all adults, they can decide for themselves - they don't need you to preach to them in the form of your self-promoting article.

DitaVonCheese · 15/11/2011 10:31

Oh I wish I could foist. When I am queen I shall foist willynilly. For now all I can do is suggest.

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wannaBe · 15/11/2011 10:34

"Nestle is one of the most boycotted companies in the world (top 3 or 4) so there must be a few people in favour of it." and what impact has it had - ah, none what so ever. Nestle is also one of the fastest growing companies in the world even in the current economic climate so clearly a boycott has had no impact on the company.

The whole formula issue is far too emotive - it's never as simple as just don't donate - yes, there are babies that will die as a result of drinking contaminated water (and let's bear in mind it is the water that kills the babies, not the formula), but equally many of those babies would die anyway as a result of malnutrician (sp?) when their mothers are unable to bf due to HIV infection/maternal mortality/various other reasons.

Rather than blaming the formula companies shouldn't we be questioning what is being done to resolve the issue of contaminated water? Because even if the formula was given to babies in cartons the bottles would still need sterilizing, so the water would still be an issue.

Or would you rather that formula wasn't available at all and those babies were just left to die?

NotJustClassic · 15/11/2011 10:36

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DitaVonCheese · 15/11/2011 10:39

I think you've missed the point, Wanna. Those babies wouldn't need formula if it wasn't so aggressively marketed. If they were breastfed, they wouldn't be drinking contaminated water at all.

I do understand that Nestle aren't solely responsible for all the problems of the developing world Hmm but neither are they entirely blameless.

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FunnysInTheGarden · 15/11/2011 10:45

big topic wannaBe and one I will be watching with interest. I echo your thoughts, esp with ref to BMA.

OP if you want to take your article in do, the worst that will happen is that the nursery staff will think you are a bit of a pillock.

Incidentally I remember boycotting Nestle in the 80's for the very same reasons, that was until I realised how pointless it was and how much I liked Gold Blend!

MotherPanda · 15/11/2011 10:45

Mumsnet supports the boycott, I would take it in - though perhaps with ideas of a different scheme the school could take part in, because they'll be more likely to want to boycott Nestlé if they can get free equipment from a different scheme.

DitaVonCheese · 15/11/2011 10:50

Been pondering the irony of your post while I do my hoovering, Wanna. No, I don't want babies to die. I am profoundly grateful that formula exists. I would also like to see it marketed responsibly and parents given proper information (and I do mean proper information, that's not a veiled way of saying "be told that breast is best"). I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive.

I don't want babies to die. Nestle are responsible for the deaths of 1.5 million of them a year.

Formula in the developing world isn't saving babies who would otherwise die, it's killing babies who would otherwise live.

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DitaVonCheese · 15/11/2011 10:51

PS I can and have lived with looking like a pillock Wink

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pissedrightoff · 15/11/2011 10:56

Can anyone tell me if Nestle are still pushing/advertising formula in these countries?

pissedrightoff · 15/11/2011 10:57

Or is it something that is no longer in practice?

(posted too soon, hence 2 posts)