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9 weeks of BF, time to add in formula?

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Glimmerberry · 06/11/2011 13:04

Really hoping for a bit of clarity here after 9 weeks of ebf and constant worry about my baby son's weight. Feeling like it might be time, for his sake, to admit defeat and add in formula rather than risk his health and development.

I'll try to give all the details since I don't really know what might be important!

He was born at 3.7kg and took to bfing easily in the first 24 hours so got some colostrum. Next day or two barely fed at all, he was so sleepy I just couldn't keep him going. He lost just over 10% of his weight. After that though, things picked up and seemed to be working out. The bf-ing has been straightforward. I seem to be able to latch him on well, have had no problems with my nipples/ boobs other than a painful let down in the first few weeks. I have fed him on demand which has been something like 12 feeds a day, gradually decreasing down to around 6, usually for 30-45 minutes. I tend to offer, for e.g. Right breast until he comes off then left (very short feed on 2nd), next time start with left offering right after, and so on.

In some ways things have gone well, like escaping many of the nipple/pain/latch problems many people seem to have, the fact that he always has plenty of wet and dirty nappies (probably 4-5 of each daily).

The problem however is that despite looking healthy and hydrated he has been really slow to gain weight. Reached birthweight around 5 weeks and just really slow ongoing gain such that he has gradually dropped down to the 2nd centile, and may even be dropping from there.

HV is reasonably relaxed about it, agreeing with us that the large amount of fluid I received in labour may have exaggarated his birth weight -he never really looked like an 8lb 2lb baby except in his first, very bloated 24 hours. But that isn't enough to explain his ongoing slow weight gain.

My own thoughts are that i am producing huge amounts of foremilk and this is the problem. I think this because i get very engorged rapidly, i often spurt (!) very thin watery milk, he gets very windy and distressed frequently, and often even after a very long feed (when i can feel him suck and swallow well) i notice that i can still express very watery milk and he is hungry agan after 20mins or so. I think this problem is getting worse and worse. I notice he seems hungrier and fussier at the breast, latching on and off. He is windier and we've now had some green nappies (for the first time, this weekend). It's quite rare now that i'll see the thicker, creamier looking milk beading on my nipple or spilling from his mouth at the end of a feed.

I'm just not sure what to do now. I keep reading conflicting things on whether or not the foremilk/hindmilk ratio matters. I had wanted to ebf until 6 months but feel like i might be doing this at his cost.

Does it sound like a fm/hm problem? Can I do anything about that? Any other thoughts?

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drappel · 06/11/2011 21:49

Our 6 month old feeds 7 times a day (and night) as well as 3 weaning meals a day too! Glimmerberry, your feeding pattern is very similar to what we were doing at your stage (including the cluster feeds between 6 and 9), other than we were also feeding at 4am too. We've read and followed plenty of tiktok's advice on bfing, she certainly knows her stuff.

We also suffer with a windy baby and have found that stopping a feed every 5 minutes to wind DS has made feeding much better. He used to wriggle around, keep coming off and give up after no more than 12 minutes of feeding. By regularly winding him during feeds, we instantly were getting 20+ minutes every time and a much more settled baby afterwards.

Keep going if you can, and don't worry if you don't and start giving formula. You will decide what is right for both you and your family just by following your own instincts.

tiktok · 06/11/2011 23:30

Glimmer I hear you when you say you have been responding to what your baby needs, and it has just reduced by itself over the weeks.

Some very laid back babies do benefit from something a bit more proactive, though - they seem ok ticking along on a low no. of feeds, when with more firm 'offers' they would take more.

Not possible to say if this applies to your baby - but given you are concerned about his weight gain, helping him 'demand' more would not hurt.

RingEir · 07/11/2011 08:38

Glimmerberry, I have just reread your first post, and it seems to me that apart from percentiles etc, you feel that all is not quite right. I think Tiktok may have a point in that perhaps your baby is not demanding enough. This is what happened to me and the solution was topping up DS's feeds (with expressed milk). Almost immediately he was happier, less irritable and started to gain weight. My situation was a bit different in that DS has Down's Syndrome and therefore had a weak suckle, but your post reminds me of when everyone was telling me not to worry and deep down I knew there was something wrong.

RingEir · 07/11/2011 08:42

Just remembered something I read on Kellymom.

"Some babies will pull off the breast soon after let-down if mom has a forceful let-down. Baby may be frustrated by the too-fast flow of milk with let-down. A too-forceful let-down can also cause excessive gas or spitting up/vomiting."

NotQuiteCockney · 07/11/2011 11:13

I don't think breastmilk is thinner in consistency than cow's milk or formula.

Are your breasts still feeling full after a feed? And have you tried breast compession? That will squeeze a bit more milk into a baby ... (google it, plus Jack Newman)

Glimmerberry · 07/11/2011 12:30

drappel and tiktok i think i need to combine your comments and be more pro-active with feeding, and winding him through feeds to keep him going. He really is such a gassy baby i think he probably does fuss and give up on a feed when he's bothered by this rather than full.

RingEir yes, i do feel there is something wrong. We're waiting for a paeds appointment to follow up what might be a minor congenital anomoly or what might be something more serious. Noone has suggested, so far, that it could be affecting his weight/ development but I'm concerned. Another reason why i've started to think about formula, i suppose, a test of whether he can do better IYSWIM.

NotQuiteCockney yes, doing breast compression. More because i thought it helped get hindmilk into him rather than to empty my breasts as they do go empty over the course of a feed.

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HappyCamel · 07/11/2011 12:37

Just keep drinking, resting and feeding and you will be fine. Overdue babies are often exaggerated on the centiles (2 extra weeks) on 24/7 feeding makes a difference. If he's happy, hydrated and has wet nappies then keep going.

Glimmerberry · 08/11/2011 12:13

Thanks everyone.

Have phoned LLL and had a really detailed chat leading to a new plan of action. Will see how things go...

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Robotindisguise · 08/11/2011 12:19

If you have a forceful letdown and your baby pulls off, having a muslin ready to squirt into (!) helps make for a calmer feed

RingEir · 08/11/2011 14:53

All the best with your new plan and hope all goes well at the Drs. You're doing great:)

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