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Moving baby from formula diet to breastmilk

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Lotta123 · 06/03/2011 08:42

Hello,

Am a new mum and trying to move my baby from a formula feed diet over to a breast milk one. Thought I'd start a thread for some moral support.

Baby born and couldn't get her to feed. She was very sleepy. Breast feeding advisor taught her to suck on day three but she struggled to latch on as wouldn't open mouth wide or keep tongue down or stay awake. Had slight jaundice but we cleared it up with day light.

Day five had lost 13% of birth weight. But was feeding well all that day. But feeds were taking 2.5 hrs for 30 mins of feeding because she kept falling asleep, etc

Then refused to take boob from day six to day. We were advised to feed her formula as she lacked energy to eat and was very lethargic. I became very distressed and was only getting an hour of sleep each night.

On day seven advised to feed her formula and baby bounced back by day eight. Now able to eat at breast and is putting on weight.

Currently being bottle fed every 3-4 hours of 70ml or 90ml. Given boob for at least 30 mins before bottle. She takes it in the day (and can be there an hour with a few little fall asleep episodes and wake ups) but won't at night.

We've reduced each formula feed 10ml so in effect we have cut out one formula feed. We also give her at least one bottle of my expressed milk each day. So I guess we're down to six formula bottles at the moment. And plan is to keep reducing by 10ml every day or two assuming she continues to feed and put on weight (as she's still below birth weight).

I also put her on whenever she's hungry between feeds. And this happens about half the feeds.

Have ordered a hospital rental pump too so I can express more and replace formula with my milk.

Anybody care to join me on this journey so it's a bit less lonely?

All tips welcome.

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NoWittyName · 06/03/2011 10:09

GOOD ON YOU!!!

Can't join you on journey as already b-fing but I give you a huge hug and pat on the back for doing this.

I'm sure it won't be the easiest thing, but I hope you find it's worth it.

Good luck. xxx

Thandeka · 06/03/2011 10:18

My DD is one now but we had similar and she was predominantly breastfed from about 12 weeks (still had one bottle of formula).

Are you reading kellymom? they have lots of things about expressing- eg. "powerpumps" etc.

It is bloody hard work but you will get there in the end- just put the baby to the breast as much as you possibly can as a baby will stimulate the breast much more than a pump will.

You can also by an at breast supplmenter to give any tops ups in so the breast is still being stimulated. Medela do one and its sold on amazon- bit fiddly but worth it.

Maybe also consider taking supplements to boost your milk supply- fenugreek is supposed to be good but never worked for me really.

My DD also lost 13% and took 6 weeks to regain birth weight so I really empathise- it is hell! But you sound very determined and you will get there! Also has your LO been checked for tongue tie.

japhrimel · 06/03/2011 10:41

I can't join you either as we're out the other side also, but I wanted to wish you luck and say "well done!" for doing this. Smile

Pumping to increase supply so you can replace formula top-ups with ebm is the right first step IMO.

A supplementer is a good idea. We made our own (as Jack Newman suggests) with veterinary NG tubes stuck in a bottle. We actually have an unopened box of NG tubes sitting in our lounge - PM me if you can't afford a supplementer and would like the NG tubes posted to you. They're only going to be chucked otherwise.

Lotta123 · 06/03/2011 16:29

Thanks for all this. Have just tried the jack Newman compressions. Not sure I'm doing them right. Baby has been at my boobs a lot today between feeds. But find I'm expressing less. Am guessing this will catch up soon?

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alfiemama · 06/03/2011 17:38

Just wanted to say, well done and good luck.
I have just relactated, so know how hard it is (but more than worth it). I bf until 4 weeks but had to stop and put lo on formula, then after 5 weeks on formula, I relactated to get my milk back. Lo has severe reflux, and after reading about bm being better for refluxers decided to take her off formula as fast as I could.

I basically, did what you did supplementing as little as I could, power pumped (to replicate cluster feeding) and pumped every 2hours 20 mins each side even dry and started taking domperidone abd putting her on boob as much as I could, even when she wasn't hungry.

I did find that when one day I just went cold turkey, stopped pumping (I know a bit controversial) but I found it stressed me out and stopped formula and bottles and just bf, that when my milk started to really come back.

I am now proud to say I exclusively bf, from 1/2 oz of bm and lo's reflux has improved, oh and I only ever used a manual single pump.

Keep us posted how you get on.

narmada · 06/03/2011 18:47

alfiemama I think you are amazing to have relactated using a single manusl pump!

narmada · 06/03/2011 18:47

or manual even!

pombal · 06/03/2011 18:49

Wish you best of luck. I also relactated at 6 weeks after 3 weeks formula feeding. It's tough but do able.
I cut out the bottles after a few weeks, supplemented at breast using medela system ( you can get it on amazon) or 5french nasogastric tube as seen on Jack Newmans site.
I expressed for 5-10 mins after each feed.
Other things that helped were eating porridge, drinking loads of water and roibosh tea.
Also find a helpful hcp if you can.
The physical part is hard but it's also stressful worrying about baby's intake if your supply is down.
Get baby checked for tongue tie as well if not already.

HTH

narmada · 06/03/2011 18:54

I am just about to attemp relactation after 3 months of not BF by the way, for similar reasons as alfiemama. I have a feeling that DS won't latch/ feed directly as he has developed a feeding aversion but we will see...

alfiemama · 06/03/2011 18:58

Aw thanks narmada I'm just too tight to hire one Grin I also have a very supportive hubby, who knew it wold be hard work with the other kiddies, but we had to do it. Hardest part was her going from sleeping through to bf 3 times in the night.

I also think bf is a lot about confidence, and getting to a point where you feel able to go cold turkey, as you will probably have enough milk, after all we are never empty. I just found I was feeding (bf) all the time at first.

Your doing a fab job though.

alfiemama · 06/03/2011 19:03

Sorry narmada didn't realise. Are you getting any support with latching on?

narmada · 06/03/2011 19:26

There is no milk there for him yet, so he definitely won't latch, doesn't know how to suck on a nipple any more.

Have travelled the relactation road before (successfully) with DD so know a few good lactation consultants I can turn to if things are getting tricky.

Thanks!

alfiemama · 06/03/2011 20:04

Ah yes, I remember seeing a post from you. Wow, good luck hun, sounds like you will be just fine Smile

Lotta123 · 06/03/2011 20:06

Ladies, so relieved there are several of us about to try this and people that've managed to do it in the past! Thanks for sharing all the great tips.

Have found a great video on breast compressions that means I understand them now:

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alittlebitcountry · 07/03/2011 19:24

hi lotta - don't have any useful tips but i think i understand your efforts - dd was 2 weeks old on saturday and been supplemented with formula since day 3 - inverted nipples made latching too hrd and she was becoming dehydrated etc. Have had loads of support from local mum2 mum who even supplied us with medela finger feeder to avoid bottle confusion....i've expressed ever since so building up supply but we still haven't mastered latch & i do wonder if ever will..... Good luck

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