clicking whilst feeding & Winding your baby..............

[Dozeyland]

My DD is 10 weeks old, and can generally get quite windy throughout a feed. her latches seem good (not painful either) but i notice she clicks when feeding... then half way through gets fidgety.... so i then burp her then she normally goes back on , but sometimes she fights going back on and then isleft still hungry but wont feed until about 30/60mins later.....

ALSO

in regards to night feeds/last feed at night.. I feel guilty if i dont burp her. if shes peacefully asleep then i leave her mostly. but when she's twitchy but just WONT burp im left thinking what do i do when i know she's got wind??

HV and BFC say to leave her if she seems ok.. but i dont know abotu you but if i've got a burp wanting to come up and trying to sleep on it - uncomfy = waking up.

Dozeyland - Clicking during feeding usually indicates poor latch but if you have had your latch checked it may be tongue tie, high arched palate or a bubble palate. All three can make a clicking noise during feeding but they do grow out of it (making the noise not the palate shape). Some babies have high palate & a tongue tie due to how the tongue tie influences the growth/shaping of the mouth.

As to the fidgeting - could she be finished? If she was, she would then not want to continue feeding and might 'fight'. What signs does she display that you take to mean hunger - does she root, make a 'milky' noise, lick her lips, etc? Some babies get very efficient quite quickly and what used to be a 40 min feed is now a 6 min feed.

Hi Dozeyland. I could have written this word for word. My DD is 10 weeks too (I've spoken to you before) and makes the same clicking sound when feeding. She latches perfectly, I'm not sore and she's content afterwards. My HV said some babies do 'click' its nothing to worry about.
I would be more worried if she was my first, but I have an older daughter who's 12 and she did it just the same, right up till when I stopped feeding her at 8 months. She never grew out of it. She continued to 'click' on a feeding cup/beaker for years!

The only problem is feeding when we're out as its hard to feed her discreetly when she's making such a racket!!

She also gets very windy, she can really gulp during a feed as my let down is very fast. It's tempting to put her down after the last feed of the night but I know she'll wake up 20 minutes later if I don't wind her. I have to tickle the back of her neck to rouse her and persevere. Or sometimes I put her in her moses basket just knowing she will rouse, then wind her then.
My Hv said it was unneccessary to wind a breast fed baby as they don't swallow much air, but I know my DD does, I can hear her making 'whoop' noises. (Along with the click click - she should be a musician ) Every baby is different I suppose.

When she's truly still hungry she takes one look at my boob and goes 'ooooo' and won't take her eyes off it!. If she doesnt do it I know she's had enough.

Its quite cute really!

TRUTHSWEET

Yeah she's got a lot quicker at feeding, use to take about 30mins, now roughly 5/10mins tops...

she tends to gulp as i have fast let-down so she does take in a lot of air i think. she use to make a squeak noise but that's passed now... just thinking the clicking is making her more windy? what do they do for tongue tie?

SARAHLOU8

Hello again! Even though its a pain, its nice to hear that someone else is in the same boat! thats exactly it, the "being discreet" is a bit tricky (even though i've only BF once in public - at a family do' - which i felt nervous about as it is without the noises!) and at baby cafe - but i dont have a problem feeding there as its for BF mums who are all doing it! :)

I too have a fast let-down and she gulps! sometimes it squirts her (poor mite)
but overall she's a good feeder/content little baby.

my DD is doing the same, she'll head-dive into my boobs and go "ummmmm" lol

how is your DD feeding day & night now at 10 weeks?

I think my LO is having a spurt, feeding roughly every 3-4 but the past 2 days nearly every 2ish hours.... still doing a good stretch from 12am onwards though. (normally 11-3/4 or 12-4/5)...

bless them!

Hi Dozeyland, yes I think we're having a spurt too, she's not going longer than 2 hours between feeds during the day and taking both sides at that, but she consistently sleeps 10 hours at night. She goes down at about 9pm and wakes up at 7am, which is fantastic!
I've just been reading a thread where someone is worried about that long stretch overnight but I just feel she is 'building up' to a long sleep by her frequent feeds in the day. From 7pm onwards she is barely off me!

I wish we had a baby cafe near me. I went to the baby clinic for the first time before Christmas and it was really embarrassing being the only one who needed to feed and she made such a blimmin racket! Yet when I went this week, loads of Mums were feeding and I didn't have to - wished I'd gone for the first time this week!

We're going for a weigh in tomorrow, she's not been weighed since her 8 week check so it will be interesting to see. I love how they're coming out with these little noises, like they're telling us what to do!

Oh wow 9pm-7am - i wish!! i think its fascinating how some babies can sleep through at such a young age.... is she in her own room?

our situation at the mo, is a bit tricky for DD i think as we are all in one room - all the time living is dads front room! so she always has noise bless her as we dont go to bed until about 11pm... we bathed her tonight then she went to sleep from 8:30-9:10.. then another 30 min stretch, awake now... so i'll feed her in a min and hopefully she'll go down when we do. but where she's been feeding more, i think she'll still wake about 3am ish. (i dont find it a problem at the mo, as she normally goes straight back off, plus - its my job!! :) )but 9pm-7am sounds lovely. since when has your dd done this??

what have you been doing so that DD sleeps 9pm-7am!? any tips? lol

it does make sense though to feed a lot in the day and up-to bed time, then that stocks them up. DD does this too but just has the distraction of us being up all the time i think....

i love the noises and cooing at the mo!

Hiya, she's still in our room, in a moses basket. I'm reluctant to move her to her own room, I love having her next to me!

She's been going 9-7 for about 2 weeks but was doing 9-4 at 6 weeks and its gradually stretched out. This morning she woke at 8.10 am, so she would possibly go longer but in the week she has to get up for the school run.
I have no idea what the secret is, My two older children didn't sleep through till they were 8 months (and only 10 - 6 at that) All I will say is that we do the same thing from 5pm onwards, sling time for an hour (when she has a final sleep of the day), then feed, then bath at 7pm, then manic feeding frenzy & alert time, then bed as soon as she starts rubbing her eyes.
Ideally I'd like bedtime to be a bit earlier but she's alert until then. She is very bossy. It isn't a routine we've put her into, it's what she's fallen into herself and she grizzles until she gets what she wants. For example tonight at five to 7 she cried hysterically, so I said I'm taking her for a bath and she was positively laughing as I carried her into the bathroom. Little Madam

Yes it sounds awkward to establish a bedtime if you're all sharing a room - is it permanent? Saying that she'll probably get used to the noises pretty soon and not be disturbed by them. 10 weeks is still very young and I'd be really pleased at what she's doing already. I find myself tiptoeing about when my DD's gone to bed and yet in the day it's really noisy and she sleeps through anything!

We still haven't got any feeding or sleeping pattern in the day, have you? DD just catnaps all day whenever she feels like it. She's as likely to have 10 minutes as she is 2 hours.
Gosh I could ramble on for hours! It's nice to chat to someone with a baby the same age x

Hey,

We try and do the same with the evenings too, ie bath time, alert time, then just feed when she wants really, i might start offering it more to her, just to see if she wants any? like from bath-time- bed?

last night i fed her before bath (as she was signalling), then at 7:30ish we bathed her, then after that at about 7:45 i fed her again, she fell asleep for about an hour, then woke, then fell asleep until 11:30 woke for a feed, then slept until 3:40 (with a wee bit of stirring before she woke!) thenwoke at 8:05 this morning...

so she is doing well, its just the bit from after bath-time until 11:30/12 where shes in & out of sleep most nights... on the odd occasion she will go from like 11/12-5/6 but it is mostly like last nights timings..

I don't mind at the mo, the thing that makes me more tired is when she's asleep but stirring! i then think shes wanting a feed but she can stir for upto an hour if she wants to some nights lol. i think its because of her belly at the mo (shes a weekly pooper, due to poo today lol)

our room situation is until we get our own place.. i can't wait really. i dont want her in her own room, she can still be in ours but atleast we'd have the option to leave her to sleep while we're still awake! at the mo, we're co-sleeping/her in moses next to me. she settles just the same either way...

as for daytime feeding, shes asleep now (normally goes for a nap this time aftr her feed at 8ish, alert time then nodded off at 9 ish) her pattern is feed/alert time/feed nap mostly (sometimes skipping the 2nd feed)

when we're out in the car or shopping - she'll quitehappily sleep for hours!

do you use a dummy?

we do, i didnt want to but she only really uses it sometimes if she wants a comfort (along with her snuggie blanket lol) then she'll happily spit it out.

I am rambiling on bigtime now haha yeah it is nice to speak to someone with the same age baby! x

Tongue ties can be snipped but if you aren't in pain and haven't got sore nipples, it probably isn't. Have you looked at your DD's tongue - can she stick it out, is it heart shaped, if she sucks your finger is the suck 'even' or is there gaps where the tongue doesn't touch your finger?

This article gives pointers on how to check for tongue tie so if you have any concerns after this get her checked out by HV/BFC.

If it is a high arched palate/bubble palate the clicking noise is made by the air between your nipple and the palate as the tongue suckles - normally the nipple would be compressed by the tongue/palate with no gaps as suckling happened but if the palate is too high or there is a bubble then the tongue cannot compress it fully leading to the clicking noise.

Truthsweet - thanks for that, I really think it's the latter, especially as both my girls have done it, I wondered myself if it was something to do with the shape of her mouth as her tongue looks absolutely fine. It doesn't bother me, she feeds well and is content afterwards, just noisy!

Dozeyland - nightmare day today. Everything I said yesterday has flown out of the window. I've had a busy day,school run,visit to my parents, clinic after lunch, another school run, DS to doctors etc so DD has had very little sleep as she's been constantly disturbed to go in her car seat. resulting in a grumpy screaming very overtired baby who at 10.30pm has just gone down.
Luckily I have a much quieter day tomorrow.

She was 12lb 2oz today at the clinic, still bang on her line so I'm really pleased. I had a great afternoon, the first time I've been, it was really busy as 1st since Christmas and I knew about 5 people there. The most adult company I've had for weeks! I feel like I'm going to have to work hard at getting out and meeting people as my other children are much older and my friends have children same age as them.

Your DD sounds like she's doing the same as mine was a week or so ago re feeding and napping after her bath. It's been just this last week when we've been able to put her in her moses basket knowing she'll stir just once maybe twice before going down for the night, so hang in there. It might get better very soon.

As for pooing, gosh a week! We have a poo-nami once a day. If she misses it she gets a bit of pain and is really grumpy. I posted a while ago about whether its possible for her to be constipated but the general response was no. Spoke to HV about it today and she said her immature gut could be going into spasm if she hasn't been for a while, and to give her a weak 1/4 mix of fresh orange juice and cooled boiled water. I know your'e not supposed to worry about going for long periods as long as theyre regular and it's normalfor them.

We don't use a dummy. We've tried - but it's met with a lot of faffing around with her tongue then she spits it out in disgust! Not as good as the real thing to her, obviously!! However I've been expressing a bit of milk from time to time as I had a couple of Christmas parties to go to and wanted to leave her. After loads of worry, she took it no problem and the teat is a tommee tippee one, same as the dummy. It would certainly be useful sometimes, as I worry she's using me to get to sleep at night.

Hope you get youre own place sorted soon, I'm off to bed, 11pm now and she hasn't stirred so fingers crossed! x

Sarahlou - it's possibly the high/bubble palate then. All my 3 daughters have it though DD3 was the noisiest and I went mad trying to work out what it was (DD1 I didn't care what she did as long as she fed [major problems with bfing] and DD2 only did it a little before growing out of it).

We ran through all the possibilities (tongue tie/poor latch or positioning/ineffective suckling/something I've probably forgotten) before palate abnormalities being the only one left. DD3 is now 15m and hasn't clicked since she was bought 6/7m.

As to the orange juice/water thing, I'm really not sure that is a good thing for a breastfed baby to be given. Breast fed babies don't have to poo very often (some poo profusely though and that's fine too) and the muscles they use for pooing are quite ineffective at pushing out the poo (it's liquid poo so what have they got to push against?). So babies can make a big performance out of pooing - red face, grunting, screwing up their face, etc. It's not like us when we are constipated (then our poo is very hard and dry) we know what we are doing and what muscles to use.

If your baby's poos are soft, liquidy (not watery) and unformed even if she makes a production of pooing it's not constipation. You can do things like cycling of her legs whilst she's being changed or even a very gentle clean of her anus with a baby wipe can help trigger a poo (very gently wipe the ring of muscles externally not pushing it in!). After all some baby animals need mum to lick their bum in order to poo - we get to use baby wipes not our tongues! Luckily ....

Truthsweet - ewwww the thought!!

When my older DD was born (my firstborn) I went through hell with breastfeeding with her making this noise, because I thought her latch was wrong. I'd continually take her off and try again, getting cross because she 'wouldn't do it properly'. My HV at the time said it was because of a poor latch. I was extremely sore and cracked for weeks and nearly gave up. This time round (and years later I have to add, DD1 is 12 now) it really doesn't bother me as long as she's getting enough. I have a fantastic HV this time too, and look forward to seeing her instead of dreading it!

Were you advised to do anything about it with your girls?

I must admit I won't be trying the orange juice mixture, not sure she'd take it anyway. I'll just feed her a bit more often. It's done the trick this morning, she's been twice.

DD is asleeeeeeeppp. She's certainly catching up on yesterdays performance. She woke at 7.30am, back to sleep 9-10am and she's just gone again now. She's shattered!

Big wave to Dozeyland Hope your'e having a good morning x

As the clicking didn't cause any pain (just a bit of nipple shaping) I just rode it out. They do grow out of it (that is not the palate shape but the noise) don't ask me how or why. I have seen mentioned somewhere 5kg is around when the clicking stops but as dd3 is only 8.5kg at 14m 5kg was a long time coming and I think she as more like 6kg+ when it stopped entirely.

Hey ladies

Just had a thought, one of my nipples is kind of flat (was very flat when DD was first born, and over the 11 weeks, shes gradually drawn it out, (it starts off flat, but few sucks and she puls it out...) but maybe this might be why she clicks also, she doesnt click as much on the right as she does left (flat).. mmm

Big wave back to Sarahlou8 !

Had such a good day, very good day yesterday also. Last night DD did went from about 10:15-2:30,3:00-6:30. not too bad... she had three 2 hour naps yesterday day time, and today she's had about the same (plus we've been out in the car too.

also got her weighed, she's 13lb 8 at 11 weeks :) so she's doing well with feeding!

how is LO aftr hr nap?

Oh gosh 13lb 8, well done you! You must be doing something right! How heavy was she born? DD was 7lb 8.

I had flat nipples before I had DD1, now with number 3 I have to wear a padded bra all the time so they don't show through tops which I hate to see! I think when they're pulled out it becomes permanent. No, no difference to the noise. Is DD your first?

She's been ok today, she had about an hour this morning and catnapped all afternoon, no long sleeps at all. I've been worried the last few days that I'm being used as a dummy to get to sleep because she's feeding so often after her bath so I've just tried putting her in her moses basket awake. She screamed for 5 minutes, whinged for about 15, and is fast asleep now.I think I'm going to have to start and do this regularly. I know she's good to sleep so well but it's hard to get her down in the first place.

I've made an appointment for our second lot of jabs today, she'll be 12 weeks on Thursday so we're going Friday afternoon, it means I'll have some help from DH over the weekend if she's a bit grotty. It's the worst think we have to do as Mum's, I'm sure.

Busy day again tomorrow as it's my birthday, so probably lots of visitors and lots of cuddles for DD!

Speak to you soon xx

DD was 8lb 9 born! and yeah she is my first!

DD did 8-9pm, then 11-2:30 then woke at 5 for a feed... not sure why she's changed in the night a bit. she normally goes from like 11-4 then 4-8... but now itsw more like 10-2ish then til 5/6...

I try and settle her after her bath, but as i said before, where we are up until about 11/11:30 its hard for her not to be disturbed.... would love for her to do like a 10-4stretch,

-plus, im not sure if this is a factor, but her tired & alert times match when i was carrying her! ie: alert from like 10-11, sleepy 8am-10am,for example....

my DDs 2nd lot of jabs is the 28th i think :-( dp wont be there as will be at work so i have to brave this one alone :(

PS HAPPY BIRTHDAY

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I'm typing while trying to watch 'come fly with me'!!

Yes tired & alert times definitely match! DD was never awake on the umpteen occasions I was up in the night for the loo!

I've worked hard at getting DD into her moses basket awake the last two nights as although she sleeps really well, its hard work to get her down in the first place.

After reasonable success the night before last, last night she only cried for a couple of minutes and went till 7. Tonight...mmm - few more tears than last but it's 9.10pm and she's been down since ten to.

Bathed her tonight and she rolled right over on her side! She's always desperate to stand up too. Her favourite game at the moment is being pulled up by her hands to stand. She stiffens her body to come up straight and I just love love love the expressions on her face when she's up!!

Do you have any games or activities you find she's really enjoying? I came across a website giving ideas a while ago,week by week. It was great reading but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called!

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She just loves being spoken to lots, she has specific toys she plays with too. i sing to her etc!

yeah try and find out that website! was it netmums? xx

She thinks the words 'socks' and 'stuck' are hilarious, for some reason

Its www.babycentre.co.uk'

Click on the little dots to find your baby's age and it gives all sorts of info, plus the bit 'lets play' with play ideas.

I've gone weeks ahead and found I do a lot of them without thinking!

Whenever I say, !What are you doing there cheeky monkey" she laughs lol

hows feeding sarahlou?

Its okay..

moved DD into her own room 3 nights ago as she's consistently going right through,

First night she woke at 4.30am so I fed her as she'd gone to bed a bit earlier than usual and I was sort of expecting it.

Second night she woke at 2.30am and I thought 'oh God, what's going on?' No way was she going to be calmed with anything other than a feed.

Last night she went 8.30pm till 7.09am! Much better! I'm wondering if by putting her to bed earlier she's missing the 7pm-9pm cluster feed and not 'stocking up' enough.

Also I think the thing is, sometimes if she stirs in the night while she's next to me, I can give her a gentle rock to get back off quickly. Now I'm not in the room I miss this stage and she wakes up fully. I can't rock her either, I've put her moses basket into her cot.

Once she's been in her room a bit longer I'm going to start putting her in awake again and see how it goes (have fed her to sleep the last three)

I've been playing with my new toy! I've bought a video monitor so I can watch her as I'm still a bit wary of the cats, especially in the night as her door will not shut firmly.

How's things with you?