Debate on breast v bottle on radio 2 now!

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Kate Evans v Katie Hopkins on Jeremy Vine!

I dangle my mammaries in the costa near me at least once a week! Never had any comments apart from a rather nice man fetching me some water. Didn't realise on top of everything else I now have to worry I may possibly be making some tosspot from the Apprentice feel guilty... shouldn't she and her breasts be at work anyway?!

LOL @ putthekettleon!

Stupid woman, I did think of MN whilst I was in the car listening to Jezza. If I feel guilty about DS1 not feeding after five months it is my problem and mine alone. (I don't btw)

I am still really annoyed at the way she made out that she was somehow being bullied by mums shock horror feeding their babies as they choose to in her presence (in a public place that promotes itself as bf friendly), as if the act of simply breastfeeding a baby was a personal attack on her feeding choice.

Then I thought perhaps someone was very judgemental and mean to her, but then I thought if that was the case, then she really has no excuse to do the same to others.

If I want to feed my baby, that is all I am doing, it's not a political statement, or a personal attack on someone, I'm just making him not hungry anymore. If I wanted to insult her I would call her a narcisstic horse face cow

I wonder if she lives near me, been feeding in Costa a few times this week.

How funny ...at the time this was probably on I was in my local Costa (and Costa seem to be local everywhere these days) bfing dd! I got no comments don't think anyone noticed tbh. And the reason I was there? To give a FF mum a guilt trip.. no of course not because dd needed feeding and it was a convenient place to go. I go there so frequently they even know I don't take milk! They are always very nice and let me have a glass of tap water and bring it to the table so I don't have to struggle to the table with tray and baby. Certainly not going to stop feeding there just because this silly woman assumes it might make a FF mum feel guilty!

I go to Costa a lot, specifically because they are part of the "Breastfeeding Welcome" initiative, so I know their staff will be helpful and nice about it. They are lovely, carry your tray for you, always say hello to DS and comment on how he is getting along. Also caramel latte is awesome, and I am addicted to yoghurt and granola.

But like you jandmum, I go there because I need somewhere handy to feed when I am out, or because I need to leave the house and a trip to Costa is a nice incentive, surely if you wanted to BF somewhere to upset FF mums, the formula aisle in Asda would be better? I don't think many actually give a toss what another mum feeds her baby as long as she is happy about it.

Honestly, I don't think she meant that bf mothers were trying to make ff mothers feel guilty - she said they were trying to make themselves look 'superior' (the exact quote is 'a badge of honour showing they are Mother Superior' I think).

That swollen mammaries, dangling, as they do 'all over Costa' (how does that happen?) is something women do not to make Katie feel guilty, but to make her feel inferior to them. Clearly this does not work at all well, as I really don't think Katie ever suffers much from feeling inferior to anyone, but she seems to see it as an attempt, and this annoys her a lot.

I don't know why.

I like to hope the "all over Costa" is several mums, not just one who is completely out of control.

just listened to it - it wasn't a very balanced debate imo, only one of the calls/emails was from someone who said 'I breastfed, it was fine', all the others were rather negative.

I FFed DD1 and felt horrendously guilty about giving up BF, but noone made me feel guilty, it was all self-imposed. I'm still BF DD2 at 6 months and I don't feel superior, just grateful it's worked out this time round.

I actually didn't think there was much BF support in hospital, on my ward I was the only woman not giving top-up bottles, provided by the midwives who all seemed too busy to give anyone any proper advice on BF.

at BFing in the Asda formula aisle to make the FF mums feel guilty, shall we find out where Katie Hopkins shops?! Probably Waitrose...

The fact is, there are some people who will not be happy until they get people to say there is no difference between formula and breastmilk. They accuse people who state the self-evident fact that breastmilk is superior of being militant / having an agenda.

But there's no getting away from it - it is.

"That swollen mammaries, dangling, as they do 'all over Costa' (how does happen?)"

TT: They tie them to the ceiling, topless and facing the floor, surely.

I just can't believe that dreadful woman is given airtime. She was on question time a while ago, whats that about?
(I mean Katie Hopkins btw)

Agree completely with TheBrandyButterflyEffect.

With the Kate Hopkins thing, I don't know a lot about her but she sounds like the kind of person who makes a lot of judgements about others, and looks down on others. So she is probably just applying her own standards to the bfing mums in Costa- she would judge people who made different choices from her, so obviously everyone else does too.

I didn't listen to it, but she sounds so annoying. DS2 is nearly 8 weeks old and I ventured out to feed publicly as it were (because obviously I am just desperate to get my tits out in public) and met a friend in Cafe Nero (ironically chosen because it has darker corners than our local Costas, which is a bit of a gold fish bowl!). If Katie Hopkins had any idea how much I do not like feeding in public she might think twice about saying such stupid things. In fact, after the feeling of exposure and the pointed stares I got from some grumpy old git, and the usual business of flailing newborn unlatching and random puking afterwards, needless to say, I have not been to a cafe since. So I will have to wait until I have some more confidence before I can go out and make FF mums feel bad.

Oh I wanted to smack that dreadful women when I first read this thread title. But you've all made me laugh. I liked the Asda aisle, boobs hard at work and dangling women particularly.

Leave her alone you vipers. It's really tough when you struggle with joined up thinking. Poor cow.

I don't love getting my boob out in public but in some cases there's no choice if you have a hungry baby! Not something I love to do (likes others have already said too) but it's a necessity I'm afraid if you choose to BF and it's going well, why FF??

DS2 is almost six months old and he's still BF and I don't mind feeding him anywhere I go. Had never thought of it before that I may be offending mums who choose to FF their babies!! I'm sure they are happy about the choice they've made and think no more of it. There's more chance of them getting a good night's sleep at least!

"Why does it have to be a binary- why are you assumed to think formula is awful if you breastfed. Why can't you just choose to bf and have people assume your choices don't imply a judgement on others' choices?

I find it disappointing that journalists are still trying to start fights between mothers who fed their babies differently.
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Very good point. After all there are hundreds of mums who ffed not through choice but struggled and fought to bf precisely because they think breast is best. There are mums who bf but give formula now and again. There are hundreds of women (lots on MN) who make their own choices and don't care how others choose to make theirs. Most of my friends started bf, some finished ff, some carried on bf, none of us felt the need to judge each other. I felt more comfortable feeding infront of my friends with babies whether they bf or ff because they were used to it. Why do the media love to make out it;s some huge milky catfight?

though I can see how many people I piss off show off too on the 12 hour flight we're taking this weekend. Maybe I could move chairs every time she feeds and sneak into business class. God it's going to be horrible she on for 1 sec off for 60, especially when other people are around to look at.

I feel sorry for all those fab staff at Costas all over the country who take mothers a glass of water when they are feeding without being asked, carry drinks and cakes over when I have my swollen mammaries dangling (obviously why the young guys in Costa are so helpful ) They are so very obviously actively forcing BF on other women and working on making FF mothers feel inferior!