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4 mth old not sleeping - everyone says give formula or solids

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EldonAve · 15/09/2010 16:17

DC is now 4 mths and isn't sleeping well

He only cat naps in the day
He will sleep from 7pm til around 10/11pm but then will wake up to 3 times before 6am

No one has any suggestions beyond giving formula or solids

Would putting him in his own room help?

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TanteRose · 15/09/2010 16:19

its the 4 month sleep regression.

if you give formula/solids, it may make his tummy hurt, which would mean less sleep, not more.

I was going to say co-sleep until things settle down a bit.

jemjabella · 15/09/2010 16:29

No. 4 months is classic growth spurt and sleep regression time.

Agree with TanteRose on co-sleeping if you/your partner do not smoke/drink before bed.

RaisedFromPerdition · 15/09/2010 16:32

It's normal.

The best thing to do is work out how to make your life easier.

RubyBuckleberry · 15/09/2010 17:31

classic - sleep thing, growth spurt. wot everyone else said. fwiw i found 4-6 months hard but then it calmed down until 8-10 months haha. now its very cool at 11.5months. hth.

BooBooGlass · 15/09/2010 17:33

At 4 months old, I would expect nothing less tbh. I know that's no help, but be reassured that it's normal. The people with 4 month olds who sleep through are extremely lucky imo, and in a minority

MumNWLondon · 15/09/2010 18:32

Normal. Same here, slept through the night from 8 weeks to 16 weeks. At 4 months he was waking 2-3 times - he was in his own room. Although he doesn't sleep through the night still often its only once (he's now 20 weeks).

We did try a formula top up once and a EBM top up at 18 weeks - both cut the night waking down to once. Now do everything we can to make the 10pm feed as long as possible.

lemonbergamot · 15/09/2010 18:46

Hi

At 4 months my DS slept 7-12 or 7-2 then up at 2,4 and 6 for feeds.

Began solids at 6 months and now at nearly 7 months has just started sleeping 7-4 or sometimes even 7-6. Therefore, I'm not sure that it was solids that made a difference.

Before this he has never 'slept through' not at '6 weeks' or '3 months'! I'd just give it time.

strawberrycake · 15/09/2010 19:54

I am going through this too! Each week seems to add an extra wake! If I wasn't greeted with such delighted smiles each time I walk in he'd be sleeping in a drawer by now....

weasle · 15/09/2010 20:09

same story here. it is normal (but still hard!). resist the advice to ff or wean.

ds3 (4 months) goes to bed with me at 10ish, was sometimes doing a 4 or 5 hour stretch but now waking every couple of hours or less. last night about 5 times. am co-sleeping so feel ok really. he sleeps in sling in the day.

my ds2 woke every 45-60 mins at this age and still a terrible sleeper so i am just thankful this one is better.

Scootergrrrl · 15/09/2010 20:16

I've just read a sleep book called Healthy Sleep Habits Happy Child (recommended by someone on here) which says lack of naps is one of the major reasons for bad night time sleep. By the time they go to bed they're so knackered they can't sleep properly so if you get naps sorted, it makes nights better. It probably says some other stuff too but I'm too tired to read any more right now....

strawberrycake · 15/09/2010 20:36

Hmmm, my ds can have 6/7 naps a day so I don' know his issue! He falls asleep anytime, anywhere. 90min seems to be his maximum 'up time'. Even if you try to limit his naps he will achieve his desired nap, turn your back for a minute and he'll be asleep on the playmat/ bouncy chair even sitting upright on my lap!

MoonFaceMama · 15/09/2010 21:00

I've heard that theory about better naps = better sleep. Maybe they are just tired that day? I have days when i'm more tired and ones when i have more energy (well, the first one... Wink why wouldn't a baby)

Plus if anyone wants to come have a go at getting ds to sleep, day or night, when he doesn't want to, they are more than welcome. As i haven't been able to the "more nap = more sleep" theory is more than useless to me.

Babies wake up i'm afraid. Bf, ff whatever (ignore naysayers. They are smug that they have "got" dc to sleep through. No they haven't. They dropped lucky)

Try and get some more kip during the day yourself if you can. And daydream of when they are a teenager and you can't drag them out of bed Grin

MoonFaceMama · 15/09/2010 21:00

I've heard that theory about better naps = better sleep. Maybe they are just tired that day? I have days when i'm more tired and ones when i have more energy (well, the first one... Wink why wouldn't a baby)

Plus if anyone wants to come have a go at getting ds to sleep, day or night, when he doesn't want to, they are more than welcome. As i haven't been able to the "more nap = more sleep" theory is more than useless to me.

Babies wake up i'm afraid. Bf, ff whatever (ignore naysayers. They are smug that they have "got" dc to sleep through. No they haven't. They dropped lucky)

Try and get some more kip during the day yourself if you can. And daydream of when they are a teenager and you can't drag them out of bed Grin

AngelDog · 15/09/2010 21:12

Ah, no-one's posted my favourite links on the 4 month sleep regression: here, here, here and here.

Often better naps do = better sleep, but IME it's often to do with the general trend rather than one day having an effect on the following night. Insufficient naps = overtiredness = high levels of stress hormone (cortisol) = lots of adrenaline produced = hard to go to sleep & stay asleep.

But lots of babies around 4 months or so only have 30-40 min catnaps whatever you do, and are constantly overtired. Many grow into longer naps at some point.

Babies' biological clocks are really just developing around 4 months, so they're only just getting into a more predictable napping pattern then - usually 3 or 4 naps a day if they take some longer ones. Being awake for around 90 mins at a time before needing another sleep is totally normal.

I found Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child to be a great book if you realise that (a) he's mental to advocate 'leave them to scream' as a sleep training method and (b) you realise that his approach doesn't necessarily work for your baby (although he says it works for them all). As it happens, it does for my DS at the moment - but it didn't use to suit him.

Strawberrycake, enjoy that - you don't realise how lucky you are. My 8.5 m.o. DS has never dropped off like that, even when he was a newborn.

On the needing solids to sleep better, 8.5 m.o. DS still needs a night feed although he has bf 6 or 7 times a day and eats so much in solids that one of his meals is often half of what my DH would eat (and DH doesn't have a small appetite!)

IME sleep often gets worse when you start weaning anyway, as they have to get used to food going through them.

Hang in there, it does pass. During the 4 month regression my DS was waking 3 or 4 times a night instead of once or twice. By 5 months he'd gone back to 1 or 2 - I didn't do anything different, just fed him every time he woke. Starting co-sleeping saved my sanity.

lemonbergamot · 15/09/2010 22:18

I think that a lot of people lie exagerrate about their baby's sleep pattern.

My MIL (who I like!), constantly asked if DS was sleeping through yet and was so smug when SIL's 3 week old 'slept through'.....whilst DS was waking every 2 hours.

Well today whilst chatting to MIL I found out that SIL's 4 month old baby wakes 5-6 times per night looking for his dummy (he's also formula fed so that isn't making a difference).

My DH also apparently slept in his parents room till he was about 4 years old!!! Here I was thinking he slept through at about 2 weeks old.....

MumNWLondon · 15/09/2010 22:44

My DS2 (20 weeks) is doing 3 daytime sleeps - 45 mins in morning and afternoon and 1.5 hours at lunchtime - eg 9.15-10, 12-1.30, 3.30-4.15 - he can't really stay awake without being overtired for more than 2 hours so these sleeps mean he never gets overtired. I was doing a 3 hourly feeding cycle but now find he is hungry before then so now doing feeds at 7.30, 9.30, 11.30, 1.30, 3.30, 6pm ie pretty much 2 hourly all day although each feed is short. I then put him to bed at 6.45pm and he often wakes at 9pm and then I do a dream feed at 11pm. If I am lucky he'll then sleep to the morning but often have a night waking at 2.30am.

Its hard to know what to suggest without knowing your parenting styles, but suggestions could be feeding more in the day and cluster feed in the evening, and stucturing daytime sleep more. If you want him to sleep more in the day try taking him for a walk in his pram when he is tired, and feeding him just before you go out.

babylann · 16/09/2010 00:39

I hear it makes absolutely no difference. I'm a lucky lady who has a 4 month old who sleeps through every night, and has done for at least 6 weeks now. I do nothing differently than I've done all along, she still sleeps in our room and no solids. And I'm pretty sure she's teething and having a growth spurt. Drinking a bit more than usual, but still sleeps 9-6 every night. Sometimes even 8-6, or 7-6. And she has lots of little naps in the day too.

But it's not something we did. I think babies are just the same as us. I need about 10 hours sleep a night, and DP only needs 6. My dad claims he only sleeps 4 hours a night. And you'd think it's weird, as I burn the least energy. We're all different, and it doesn't seem to have any relation to what our lives are like during the day, what meals we eat.

EldonAve · 16/09/2010 10:31

thank you everyone

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