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Not sure I can keep bf-ing baby with toddler around

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biggest · 24/08/2010 20:16

I am ebf 3 wk old DD, still getting the hang of latching properly but managing to keep going. Today was my first day alone with DS (2.10) and DD and my god it was tough! As soon as I sit down to feed DS climbs all over us, or throws toys around, and DD wanted to suckle constantly from about 4 through dinner time and bedtime.
I ended up giving her a dummy which she sucked furiously for three seconds then passed out so I could get DS to bed.
My back is broken, I have a raging headache and I am not sure I can do this every day!
Any advice or tips? I am really considering starting to introduce bottles this weekend - I didn't think it would be this hard...

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teaandcakeplease · 24/08/2010 20:23

Oh it does get better I promise.

Do you have a treasure box he can play with at feed times, that only comes out then? Does he like sitting and reading with you when the feeds are happening?

I was known to put CBeebies on at feed time Shock in the early days.

Bunsouttheoven · 24/08/2010 20:32

It won't be this hard for long! Well done so far you could try the following:

-keep some special toys to give to your toddler only when you are bfing baby.

  • before you sit down to bf sort out a snack drink etc for toddler
  • read toddler books while you bf
  • could try feeding in a sling or just using a sling generally so you can do stuff or go somewhere to entertain toddler
  • do cooked food for lunch & quicker stuff for tea as babies often want to cluster in the late afternoon/eve
  • if all else fails resort to a bit of cbeebies for these few weeks!

Hope something here helps, I know it it bloody hard at first but will quickly improve, honest.

biggest · 24/08/2010 20:45

CBeebies on constantly so even DS bored with it! He isvery boisterous and even more so since baby arrived and won't sit still for stories. DH is at work in the evening so I don't have bedtime help so I need to try to time things but tonight DD screamed so much (and still screaming) when not nursing.
I just can't see how I can do it

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Ineedsomesleep · 24/08/2010 20:49

Congratulations on your LO and well done for bfing.

If you have a headache you need to look after yourself, are you drinking enough water and eating enough?

Like Bunsouttheoven, I used my sling alot. DC2 was happy to sleep in the sling instead of sleeping on me so I could play with DC1 or cook the tea.

As for keeping your DC1 amused I've got 3 thinkgs to say:

CBeebies CBeebies CBeebies Grin

It will get better I promise.

Ineedsomesleep · 24/08/2010 20:50

Sorry to hear about the sreaming. Have you tried putting her in a sling while you put DS to bed?

wakeupeverybody · 24/08/2010 21:01

It does get better- honestly.

Things that helped me:

Sling- I never tried feeding in it, but my Close sling was a life saver at that time of day when your toddler wants feeding and the baby is fussing- she would usually go to sleep in it. Sometimes she did cry- but I rationalised that at least she was very close to me, and I fed her as soon as the toddler was sorted.

Easy meals- definately more fish fingers than usual

cbeebies- I tried to keep this just for feed times so that we all didn't get too bored. Does your DS have a favourite show that you could let him watch on iplayer when you feed, rather than wall to wall cbeebies (not that there is anything wrong with that- just you say he is bored of it).

I wonder if your toddler needs to get outside for a good run around. I know very daunting at first, but if you can get out to the park then he gets some good fun time, and is hopefully a little less boisterous come late afternoon time Smile. Can you arrange to meet up with friends at the swings so they can keep an eye out for him if you need to feed?

Keep going... I'm not sure that bottle feeding will actually make life that much easier for you. Maybe a dummy?(I know guidelines say 4 weeks but it might be worth trying if you are getting close to giving up breastfeeding).

Oh, and did you drink enough yourself today- might help the headache- I used to find I would forget to look after myself

Zoonose · 24/08/2010 21:06

Aargh. This is a horrible stage. I feel for you. But how would ff make any difference? You still have to feed and there will still be the screaming and may even make it worse at this age? More time needed to prepare wash up etc and you can bf to just settle a stressy screamy baby in a way you can't ff. I'd use dummy if you can get her to take it though. My DD is nearly 5 months now and DS is 2.5. It was hard to start with and my DH is often not back for bedtime. I have tried to gravitate towards feeding DD at DS meal and snack times. The early days were not easy though and my DS sounds easier than yours. He's never really objected to the feeding and isn't the boisterous type (does do a good line in tantrums when he wants though). As soon as DD sleeps at all give DS all your attention, lots of physical play. Go out to toddler groups if possible where there are new distractions for him. Don't have tv on all the time as he will get bored with it. try and have a rough routine for the day maybe - I want to do this but haven't really achieved it! - but say

  • get up and ready
  • go out to library/park/toddler group/soft play/friends
  • home, bit of play or tv
  • lunch
  • nap
  • play in garden or different activity to morning
  • tv or free play while you sort tea

Basically so for your toddler the day keeps moving on and he's not doing the same thing endlessly if possible. If you drive i find i can get to where we're going, switch off engine and let DS play at driving in my seat while I feed DD. Something else I have wanted to do is keep all DS toys stored in our front room so he can go and choose toys to play with in the room we use as a sitting room. At the moment most of them are in a mess in here and he's not interested in them. if they have been hidden away in a box for a couple of weeks they become much more appealing.
Bfing also gets faster as they get older. Hang in there. Sorry if any of this is patronising - bit of a stream of consciousness also typed one handed!

sweetkitty · 24/08/2010 21:14

First day alone is always utter hell actually first few weeks alone are utter hell.

Great suggestions on here, I have been through this 3 times now BFing baby with a toddler and I am still here (just about).

cbeebies is your best friend, I don't have it on all day but DD3's favourite shows on sky plus are a lifeline.

books - DD3 sees me BFing as a chance for me to read the Hungry caterpillar for the 12th time that day.

I also agree with the toy thing, bring out a few toys you have hidden just as you are about to sit down and feed.

We call 4pm to bedtime the witching hours (I have 4 of 6 and under), the 4pm to bedtime constant sucking is totally normal for a newborn.

Do you have any family close by to take your DS out for a walk, or get them both out for a walk.

It does get better honestly

biggest · 24/08/2010 21:19

"Daunted" is a good word to describe it - even the short walk to the park seems like a massive adventure! I will try a sling tomorrow, and some of your other ideas, thanks a million.

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teaandcakeplease · 24/08/2010 21:53

Does the screaming begin late afternoon? It maybe wind? My DS was very distraught late afternoon onwards with wind until 10 weeks, I have some tips you could try to help the baby scream less if needed? Just shout.

Tomorrow is a new day and will be better than today, great tips on here x

Tryharder · 24/08/2010 22:18

some suggestions:

CBeebies/DVDs
Softplay - saved my life when I had DS2 and wanted to entertain DS1
Breastfeeding groups - mine locally are held in a children's centre so older children are happy to play with the toys while I sit and bf
Family/friends to look after eldest child if/when possible
Put elder child in a nursery for a couple of sessions a week

HeadFairy · 24/08/2010 22:29

Oh God I remember those early weeks, it's bloody hard. Ds did exactly the same, I couldn't sit on the sofa because he'd leap all over me and I was worried he'd hurt dd. In the end she lived in the sling and I'd feed her standing up, wandering around the house, hell I even bf'd her while supervising a painting session with ds (you're lucky it's summer, dd was born in midwinter and we were housebound for so long!)

Ds watched too much cbeebies, made a horrendous mess throwing toys around. I posted a very similar thread and had lots of suggestions, many of which have been made on this thread. A special toy box, books etc (none of which I got round to doing). Someone suggested to me drawing round your feet while you bf (you get a large piece of paper and some crayons and get ds to draw round your feet) I never did that one either because ds couldn't manage it really, but it sounded a lovely idea!

I wish I had more constructive ideas, but I agree it's a really good plan to try and get out and get your ds good and tired running around. Again, thank your lucky stars it's summer. Find a good playground with some benches and sit there and feed your dd while ds goes and has fun on the slides etc.

One final point, when your dd is sleeping or is settled in a sling, make a big effort to spend that time really focussing on ds. It's hard because all you want to do is collapse and have a cup of tea and great big wodges of cake, but you'll reap the rewards pretty soon. He's got used to having you all to himself so it's a big change he's having to get used to. Some one to one time doing something he loves (my ds loves making a mess painting) will really pay off.

fifitot · 24/08/2010 22:30

Teaandcake - don't mean to hijack the thread but I would love to hear your ideas on how to help a windy baby. My 6 week old is very windy and suffers mainly during the night - hence very little sleep for me!

Ineedsomesleep · 25/08/2010 08:45

fifitot my DC1 was very windy and I cut out caffiene and he got better instantly. It could be coincidence though.

Hope it works for you.

teaandcakeplease · 25/08/2010 10:56

fifitot it took with my second baby who was very windy to up to 10 weeks to settle easier. Even at feeds at night he'd squirm with wind after and be uncomfortable for ages. So I?m a great advocate of co-sleeping in the early days if it helps for now, if you don't already? You cannot spoil a baby at this age. Do whatever it takes to survive You won?t be forming bad habits for later on at such a young age, if that is a worry you have?

I too found the sling brilliant with my second child too.

You could try some infacol or gripe water at every feed for a while as that can help, if you're not using one or the other already. Make sure you wind them well and maybe wind them half way through every feed as well, if it helps? Make sure you're drinking plenty as well and eating lots too to keep your strength up. As others have mentioned.

My second child cried for 2 to 3 hours a night until aged 10 weeks, feeding didn?t seem to help or calm him and I felt like I was at my wits end, in fact I used to make the mistake when he screamed of thinking he was still hungry, so I?d try and feed him on top of the wind and then he?d scream harder and then do a massive burp and bring the feed up, so I spoke to my health visitor about it at the time and her tips to try were:

Warm bath covering tummy.
Lying him on his tummy with a warm (not hot) hot water bottle under him to soothe tummy.
Cycling his legs whilst he's on his back. Holding feet palm to palm and rocking legs sideways, whilst lying on floor or lap.
Or scooping with right hand down his right side whilst holding feet palm to palm.
Or rocking him face down well supported on legs.

She also said don't eat anything that gives you wind such as brocolli, cabbage, caffeine, cauliflower, garlic or other stimulants. However I don?t believe there is actually any clear evidence that what you eat affects your milk, this is a fuzzy area and there's lots of confusion over it. Certainly Tiktok on mumsnet also I believe says this (from memory) however I hadn?t started posting properly on mumsnet at this point, so I gave it a try. She said if none of the above did work I could try buying Colief drops from a chemist and mixing in with a feed by expressing it first, as she said sometimes colic is caused by a lactose intolerance. I never needed to buy these in the end.

I found that out of all of those the cycling the legs was particularly good. I also found that as he had trouble burping, the infacol made him cry harder as it coalesced the bubbles into one big one that still went downwards but hurt more. But giving him gripe water after every feed straight away really soothed his tummy. I had to do it every feed though without fail.

The warm bath in a quiet room was also a real help. Every night at the time he started to get agitated I would put him in the bath, in a bath cradle and keep putting warm water on his tummy and every now and then top the bath up with warm water, so it wouldn't get too cold for him. Once or twice he was in the bath for 2 hours in the early days as it was really calming for him, my poor DD watched a lot of CBeebies in those 10 weeks, much to my shame, as he was a Winter baby too. Once he started doing big yawns and it was bedtime, I'd take him out into a dark bedroom and change him and BF him quietly and then often he'd go to sleep straight away. This was a huge relief after I discovered how much this worked for him. In the day I'd keep him up for only 90 mins only before putting back down for a nap and this also helped.

Remember things will get better soon lovely, sending you a very unmumsnetty hug. I found it so hard to see the wood from the trees at this stage. My tips may or may not work, as every baby is different but there?s my thoughts. There is some great advice on here though, I wish I?d used mumsnet when DS was tiny.

wouldliketoknow · 25/08/2010 11:03

local breast feeding support group, most counsellors has more than 1 child, advice and friendly ear will be at hand.

i only have 1 but breastfeeding was anightmare, i nearly gave up 3 times, 16 weeks down the line, mixed feeding hapilly, for us that is a success, keep going will get better

fifitot · 25/08/2010 13:42

teaandcake - thanks for those really good tips.

His wind his worse at night. I am using infacol but have also got gripe water so may try that instead. I can see it may be a bit of a pain trying to give him that at 3 am though!

I can't co-sleep, just haven't got the confidence to.

I will try some of your suggestions and hope it gets better soon! Is only 6 weeks so hopefully will improve sooner rather than later. Awful sometimes to hear him grunting and squealing with wind pain at night. Often he can now do a big trump and get rid of some of it by lifting his legs up a few times on his own. He's learning!

ThatDamnDog · 25/08/2010 13:50

For the wind, try and find out if there are any baby massage classes on locally - it helps enormously.

Basically, with baby lying on her back, circular motions (clockwise) round the tummy with your fingertips, then gently bicycle her legs, then keep her knees together and perpendicular to the floor and sweep them down to her right then down to her left, then finally bring both knees up to her chest a few times. Hard to describe, classes would be best, but the farts you get out of them by doing this, good grief it's spectacular!

teaandcakeplease · 25/08/2010 15:33

Dog is right massage is great, think I forgot to include that Blush

wouldliketoknow · 25/08/2010 17:51

massage work for us too

fifitot · 25/08/2010 19:56

Thanks will try that!

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