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HELP, Expressing Milk

19 replies

LouLouH · 07/08/2010 19:24

My dd2 is 7 weeks old now, but i had come to the end of my tether a couple of weeks ago when it felt as though she was hanging off my boob all day! Going out was a nightmare, so i bought an electric breast pump, sterilizer and bottles. I wanted to see how much she actually consumed so thought expressing was the best thing to do.
Anyway, long story short, it takes forever to express. Does anyone else have the same issue? It takes me about 1/2 an hour to 45 mins to express just 4oz! I've given dd2 ready made formula feeds just to give me enough time to try and express. I feel like im failing her as a mother, and i banged on to my oh so much that breast is best! that he now doesn't want her on formula (which i would only do during the day and breast feed at night).

Any advice?

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Raffiiscool · 07/08/2010 20:44

Remember that just because your baby is crying she may not be hungry. Maybe she just likes to sook! I didn't use a dummy on my 2 boys but maybe you would want to cosider one.

At this age I was doing the EASY routine - 3hr routine of eat (breastfeed), activity, sleep, YOU. What it means is that you are not feeding at sleep time. It was hard for a few weeks and I rocked my babies to sleep in my arms or buggy - it sometime took 10mins for them to go to sleep but is meant they weren't dependant on feeding so it made me free to do things. Both my boys feed most of the evening. First time round I shut myself away in the nursery. Second time round I kept the baby up on the living room and watched tv.

I too stuggled with an electric breast pump. I found the Avent manual one easier. I have friends who have had great success with electic though. Could you borrow a manual one and give that a go? Have a chat with your health visitor.

You are not failing as a mother - it is bloody hard and you have to do your best - that is all that anyone asks. You don't have to be perfect - sometimes good enough is good enough.

LouLouH · 07/08/2010 22:06

I've tried a manual one also, result was even worse. I bf dd1 with no stresses, although thats probably because i didn't have two children to look after.
dd2 does suck for comfort, and i have tried numerous amount of dummies, and she rejects every single one Sad
Bella (dd2) seems to need so much comforting and it probably is my fault as she came over three weeks early so i cuddled her too much as did my oh's side of the family (his first baby).
I've been trying the routine you did- eat, activity, sleep, she goes to sleep after a bit of fighting, but as soon as she's put down within 10 minutes she's awake and crying.
Its just frustrating that you can't do the controlled crying thing till 6 months.

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muslimah28 · 08/08/2010 00:09

i do EASY too, it's, err, really easy Grin. it (usually) works really well for me and for DS.

also re controlled crying, i think you can do variations on it. i had the same problem as described above, DS would go to sleep with me and then eake up as soon as i put him down or not long after but now i have trained DS to not be picked up when he cries to sleep and to not expect it, but i do stay in the room with him and pat or rock him. but i wouldn't leave the room until he's 6 months.

sorry, none of this is relevant to expressing, i just came to this post as i have just started expressing for the first time today so thought i might get some tips...

browneyesblue · 08/08/2010 00:15

I found it really hard to express in the beginning too, but it did get easier over time. I got the best results expressing first thing in the morning (when I was fullest), and while DS was feeding.

Remember, the amount that you express is no indication of how much your DD is eating. She is much more efficient than a pump.

You absolutely aren't failing as a mother :)

ClimberChick · 08/08/2010 04:45

4oz is not nothing, it's loads. BF babies only take about 25oz a day.

I'm back at work (have been since LO was 4months) and here's what we do, hth.

I express about 10oz during the working day in two sessions (noon at 3pm), then another 2 oz at about 9pm. She then has breast feeds from 6:30pm to 08:00am. She takes 10-12oz while I'm at work.

It's easy to overfeed a bottle fed baby, but it is also easy to control it (you can look up how to bottle feed a breastfed baby). When she started taking more, DH limits how much she has, e.g. puts only 1oz per hour in a bottle, then assess whether she still seems hungry.

I think this means more night feeds, but tbh I'd rather do these than express more.

jemjabella · 08/08/2010 12:29

"Its just frustrating that you can't do the controlled crying thing till 6 months. "

It boggles my mind that someone could look forward to leaving their child to cry. Hmm Cuddling your child will not spoil them; 7 week old babies have emotional and physical needs that need meeting. I was reading this page earlier, it's worth a look:

www.ninemonths.com.au/fourth-trimester/

Anyway... expressing is no indicator of supply, to this day I cannot express unless my daughter is feeding off the other side, which somewhat defeats the point. Nonetheless, 4oz is a GOOD amount.

LouLouH · 08/08/2010 19:12

ClimberChick thank you for your input. Makes me feel a lot better that bf babies dont consume that much, i didn't realise that is all she would take, i started getting paranoid that i wouldn't be able to provide for her. All though i never have that FULL feeling, i did have it until she was about 4 weeks then they seem to not have enough time to fill before she wants more. Confused I think i will ahve to try the routine that you've done for expressing coz my way doesnt seem to agree with Bella's (DD2) pattern.

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BaronessBomburst · 08/08/2010 19:36

Don't worry if your breasts don't feel full - it doesn't mean that they're not producing milk! Mine only felt full for the first few weeks. It sounds like your supply has settled down. If your baby is producing wet and soiled nappies and getting bigger then there's every chance they're getting what they need.

My DS is nearly 6 months. I have to express twice to get enough for one feed - babies are a lot more effective than a pump. And my breasts are always soft and floppy, even in the mornings. :( But I know DS is getting enough as he's huge.

You're not failing as a mother. The only thing that confuses me though is why you're giving your DD formula milk to give yourself time to express? Why not just put her on and feed her?

NikkiTwinkle · 08/08/2010 19:58

LouLouH

NikkiTwinkle · 08/08/2010 20:02

Hi LouLouH
Sorry hit the wrong button. You said your little one wakes up after 10 mins of sleep, mine used to do that and she'd BF, but have you tried swaddling her? I gave it a go through desperation and it's worked a treat. You can also BF her swaddled as I do sometimes when mine gets too excited with arms and legs flailing.
I reccomended a friend swaddle her newborn as she was experiencing the same problems and it worked for her too. You can buy swaddle blankets that have velcro so they stop coming unwrapped!

beccas · 08/08/2010 20:12

I echo that babies are far more efficient than the pump, I use an electric, DS is 7 weeks and I can get about 5oz from both boobs. It takes about 10 mins. My breastfeeding counsellor says this is actually an awful lot! I am considering donating to the breast milk bank at local hospital!
My routine is breast feed on demand during day, but he goes up to bed at 6.30, sometimes bath, and change clothes, breast feed and into cot. Then I go to bed. My hubby formula feeds at 10.30 and I pump! Then I breast feed around 3am when he wakes, and again around 5.30 when he stays in our bed till about 7.30 for another feed.

I do believe in controlled crying, I did it with both mine at 6 weeks. But let them cry for 5 mins, go and comfort. Then leave them 10 mins, return, then 10 mins then 15. I haven;t had to do any longer than this. I use a dummy. I will take that away at bedtime when they don;t cry anymore at bedtime. There is a little bit of putting dummy back in but he is so used to bedtime now, generally he just goes off.

Sometimes, if my boobs are full, (they do feel soft mostly now, except I can tell when he has put on a growth spurt) I breast at 10.30 instead of the formula. I let hubby do this feed for several reasons;
Baby doesn't only link food with mum and breast
Baby accepts bottle
Baby accepts formula
Hubby is very involved in feeding and bonding.
I get more sleep!

Soon my boobs will adapt and I won't have to express at 10.30, hopefully when he can go 5 or 6 hours at night, I can drop the express.
Totally agree with the easy routine too. Its pretty much the same system as Gina Ford but its written in a more intelligent way.

Its too easy to always underestimate yourself as a mother. But your gut feelings are generally correct, so do what your heart is telling you. Sure, read up and research but take the bits onboard that you think suit you.

AND 6-7 weeks is a growth spurt so being on your breast all day is important for a couple of days to make your boobs create more milk. It settles after a few days. They all have those days where they dont seem to feed properly, so they don't sleep properly and fall asleep as soon as they latch on! And around in circles you go.
Try a baby carrier and hold her off as long as poss, they tend to fall asleep in a sling.
Good luck, don't give up on the breast! See if there is a breastfeeding 'club' near you. We have one provided by Sure start at the local children centre so give them a google, or call your local council and ask for family information service as they will know whether there is a sure start centre nearby.
xx

ClimberChick · 08/08/2010 20:14

Hi LouLouH, glad I helped

Just to say that it took a couple of weeks to be able to express those amounts in one sitting. I found expressing at roughly the same time each day, for about 3 days then I noticed an increase in amount. Initially i had a few extra pumps, then dropped these when I had a good freezer supply going and was getting a good quantity out.

Since your LO is still so young, you'll have to watch for nursing strikes. We were fine until we pushed how many bottles she had one day. It was hard and if this happens you'll need to decide how much you want to carry on with BM and whether it comes from breast or bottle. LO will def. have fussy periods and you need to prepared for this. The crying whilst feeding will be upsetting and you'll be wondering if its related to bottle preference.

If your serious about long term pumping several times a day, then it will be prob be worth checking out double rental pumps, which I believe you can get for 30GDP a month. I couldn't imagine not having one. I have a medela lactina select.

Also its normal to lose that full feeling after 6 weeks, it just the normal self regulating stage.

good luck, and get those balls of steel and stubbornness ready

LouLouH · 09/08/2010 14:30

All you lovely ladies, thank you for the advice. Im going to set up a nice little routine so that i can build the freezer stock level like you did ClimberChick
beccas and NikkiTwinkle also massively helpful, thank you. I should have known by having such an easy ride with DD1 that i wouldn't get away with it second time round Smile

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jemjabella · 10/08/2010 09:52

"I do believe in controlled crying, I did it with both mine at 6 weeks."

You disturb me greatly.

LouLouH · 10/08/2010 13:47

jemjabella don't knock someone else's way of parenting just because it is not the way you would do things. Some people are past the hippie way of life.

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jaggythistle · 10/08/2010 14:33

Not leaving a 6 week old to cry does not make someone a hippy!!!!! FFS

jaggythistle · 10/08/2010 14:36

PS 4-5oz milk in 30-45 mins is normal for me, I can hardly ever do it faster. that is enough for a whole feed for my DS.

Expressing won't really tell you what she consumes though, it will just tell you what you have given her really.

MumNWLondon · 10/08/2010 14:44

I think being able to express 4oz is a lot. I have only been able to do that just before a feed. Pumping is no indicating of what baby is getting. If I want to build up stash expressed 2oz in morning.

re: the crying. I would leave a small baby to cry if it was an overtired frustrated cry and it was crying down, just fed, nappy changed, burped, etc (ie gradually getting less, and not frantic crying).

Everyone has different parenting styles. I know some wouldn't do this, others would leave frantic screaming baby to cry. No need to say its disturbing.

jemjabella · 10/08/2010 16:46

Haha, hippie... if actually parenting my child instead of ignoring it makes me a hippie, so be it.

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