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DECEMBER BOOK OF THE MONTH DISCUSSION THREAD - Thursday's bookclub session and author chat here

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TillyBookClub · 07/01/2008 11:26

Hi all, this is the discussion thread to come to this Thursday night 8-10pm for December's Book of the Month, Agent Zigzag. Author Ben Macintyre will be joining us from 9 onwards.

If you can't make the session and would like to ask Ben a question then do post it here now and we'll email it on. And if you want to post a question in advance pop it up here on this thread, and we'll email them to him. Ben will start with those on Thursday eve.

I'm hoarding the last of the pudding wine and Quality Street in anticipation (should be drinking something far more spy-like and sophisticated but never could stomach martini)

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fryalot · 10/01/2008 20:27

and it does say that the film was "loosely based" on Eddie's story. So, assuming that most of the details didn't come out until very recently, the film is probably more made up than factual.

So, it's back to Daniel Craig then....

sophiewd · 10/01/2008 20:28

I ahve to say the minder he had after Green was a real piece of work, very nasty

morningpaper · 10/01/2008 20:28

REALLY? Do you think so?

Can you imagine Freda on Mumsnet:

Loneparenting: "My DH got me pregnant but then got in trouble with the police, and apparently they tried to arrest him in a hotel with a blonde - I've not heard from him at all for a few years and he hasn't sent any money for the lo or tried to contact us, but now he's got back in touch and wants us to try again!!! He wants me to move into a house with him and some of his friends, who I think might be criminals . What should I do?"

Errrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmm

fryalot · 10/01/2008 20:29

I was quite cross at the way he was treated by the British government towards the end, and that second handler bloke, Ryde? - pah!

Notyummy · 10/01/2008 20:30

I see him as almsot childlike in the way he seemed to go about things, but not childlke in a good way. He seemed a bit emotionally stunted/immature, but there is certainly a lot of what he did that was very brave.

sophiewd · 10/01/2008 20:30

morningpaper

morningpaper · 10/01/2008 20:31

There is gossip on t' web that film rights over Agent Zigzag are being argued over, but Tom Hanks is apparently producing the film

fryalot · 10/01/2008 20:32

aaah, Saving Agent ZigZag?

Notyummy · 10/01/2008 20:33

Oooh, ooh...what about Damien Lewis. He would be FAB!! Quick, quick morningpaper...fire an email off to Tom Hanks. I think he knows Damien from Band of Brothers, so it would be a shoo-in...

ChampagneSupernova · 10/01/2008 20:33

(Anyway MP/Cod, fishfinger sandwiches are bread in bread and they're delicious so why not scotch eggs?)

Back to serious discussion. One thing about this book, it made me want to know more about the period

I did Classics at university and all of my "studied" history ends around 100AD. I do have some general knowledge but this made me really want to know more about what really went on during the war.

Did anyone else find this?

TillyBookClub · 10/01/2008 20:34

I'd like to welcome Ben onto the thread - Ben, thank you so much for joining us and we are thrilled to have you here. We've got heaps of questions to get through, so lets get started: as morningpaper asked earlier, what sparked the initial story and how did you come to write the book?

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fryalot · 10/01/2008 20:34

so, if when the film starring Daniel Craig, produced by Tom Hanks is released, we can all go to see it and in a very loud whisper say "I know the author you know" or "When I was chatting to Ben... that's the author, dear..."

Notyummy · 10/01/2008 20:35

I agree it ignites interest in he period. I thought I had a pretty good knowledge of the war through general reading (and used to be in the forces so had learn about it!) however I realised that I knew little about the clandestine stuff that went on.

morningpaper · 10/01/2008 20:35

Yah I agree champagne. Not generally remotely interested in that sort of stuff - would like to read more about Enigma.

I wasn't expecting it to be a biography actually - I thought it was going to be a novel-based-on-a-true-story. I'm not normally keen on biography but it was surprisingly gripping.

It is not a very girlie book, it's a bit more boy's stuff innit?

fryalot · 10/01/2008 20:36

dp nicked mine as soon as I finished it

BenMacintyre · 10/01/2008 20:36

Hello everyone, thanks for having me aboard.

Here are morningpaper's q's,and my a's, to get started:

From Morning paper

Why did you write the book? I mean, I can understand thinking "Hmm this obituary is interesting" but that is a far cry from thinking "I know, I will spend the next few years rummaging around the basement of MI5 for his old notebooks and write 200,000 words about it". Have you always had an interest in spies?

I have always been fascinated by spies. Indeed, I was briefly recruited by the Funnies at University, and even went to a few interviews, before we decided by mutual consent that it wasn?t a great idea: not least because I am hopeless at keeping secrets (see above).

I saw the obituary in 1997, and then started gathering bits and pieces, but it was not until MI5 began releasing the official material that I really got going.

  • How long did it take to research and write?

Actually, not that long. I researched it for six months, and then wrote it, while still researching, for another year. I was lucky that the vast majority of the material was in one place, the National Archives at Kew.

  • Which part of the story surprised you the most?

I was staggered by Chapman?s offer to assassinate Hitler. I really did not know whether to believe it, but the psychological profiles in the files show that he was in deadly earnest. The other big surprise came with the discovery of Chapman?s Iron Cross. I had been convinced that this was just one of Chapman?s self-inflating lies. But then I contacted Ronald Reed?s son, Nicolas, who astonished me by saying that he had Chapman?s iron cross and the citation to go with it in German.

  • What has been the most interesting Chapman-related incident or new information that happened to you since the book was published?

The call I got from the German ambassador to Britain explaining that his father, who is still alive, had been the pilot of the Luftwaffe plane that flew Chapman to Britain was quite a revelation. The extraordinary number of people who knew Chapmen still amazes me ? it is one of the great pleasures of writing a book that is on the edge of living memory - I still get telephone calls from people saying that they had been to his nightclub, or even, in two case, had done ?jobs? with him before the war.

You are SO prolific and you have THREE CHLIDREN. How do you juggle it all?

Kate (Muir), my wife, and I take it in turns to write books. I think if we were both doing them simultaneously, the entire family edifice would collapse. In truth, it was easier to write the books when we were abroad, as foreign correspondents for the Times, because one had a little more space to juggle in. The Times has always been very supportive of the book-writing, and gave me a lovely chunk of time off to write Agent Zigzag.

Notyummy · 10/01/2008 20:37

My dh is currently devouring it and loves it. That said he will read all sorts...just had to wrestle The Time TRavellers Wife from him!

FluffyMummy123 · 10/01/2008 20:37

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morningpaper · 10/01/2008 20:37
FluffyMummy123 · 10/01/2008 20:40

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Notyummy · 10/01/2008 20:40

How do you go about seperating truth from fiction? Do you set yourself a threshold like 'must have two reliable sources'?

BenMacintyre · 10/01/2008 20:40

Yes, icod, that Kate Muir. She is actually sorting her seeds downstairs as I write.

FluffyMummy123 · 10/01/2008 20:41

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sophiewd · 10/01/2008 20:41

I was fascinated for some reason by the jockeys who ended up in a camp because they were at the races in Berlin

BenMacintyre · 10/01/2008 20:42

Here are a few from earlier, with regard to the all-important casting questions:

From CarrieMumsnet

I want to know who he sees playing the parts in the inevitable Hollywood blockbuster. I kept envisaging David Niven, but guess that's unlikely (and indeed shows my age ).

Funnily enough, the question of casting Agent Zigzag is one of my more preoccupying daydreams. David Niven would have been good, but perhaps a bit ?clean? if you know what I mean. Jude Law would be excellent, with just the right amount of sleazy charm, but perhaps too old? Chapman was in his early 20s for most of the book. My own choice would be James McAvoy, because he has that rather feral, dodgy British look, particularly, I thought, in The Last King of Scotland. What does anyone think of Clive Owen? Too burly maybe?

Morningpaper

Jude Law seems like the right sort of chap I reckon.

Are there plans for a film? I think I read it somewhere...

The film rights have been sold to New Line Cinema, the people who made the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and while there is absolutely no guarantee it will ever happen they seem very enthusiastic (and quite generous!). Tom Hanks has agreed to produce it, but we have hit a hiatus at the moment because of the writers? strike in Hollywood. I want Julian Fellowes, who wrote Gosford Park, to write the script?whaddayallthink?

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