Diversity Data for Universities

[Jewel1968]

My mixed race DS does not want to go to a university that is 'very white'. They are worried about not fitting in. This has prompted me to check out the diversity data. Some university websites are easy to navigate and have all the data I need but others are rubbish or at least not easy to find or make sense of.

I was wondering if there is a central database somewhere that might have this data. Somewhere I could do some comparisons between universities. Does anyone have any idea where I might find something like that? I have done some searching on internet but no luck so far. Thanks

Here: https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/students/table-5

I would maybe try and narrow it down by dept as the main data will capture the whole university inc post grads so he will get a skewed result. Depts have this to hand (well our uni does) so just email them directly

Brilliant thanks

I was thinking I might have to email them directly. Just surprised more of them don't have it on their website easy to access and interpret. Some do and some don't but it might be me not navigating the sites properly.

How have you brought up your son to be afraid of the vast majority of the population he lives amongst?

This is nothing to be proud of, surely? And you’re encouraging him in the next stage of this absurd behaviour?

If you go onto uni websites and search 'transparency data' you'll find application, offer and enrolment by ethnicity.

@TottersBlankly I haven't. Conversations around diversity are ongoing but I always find data helps

@titchy thanks

Yawn. Funny how you do not seem to think that it is absurd that the op son should even have to consider something like this. But I suppose it is easy to spout the nonsense that you have, when you do not have to worry about encountering racism in your daily life. Sorry op, I hope that you are able to find the information you require to help your son.

Oh, @LadyKenya … This is an anonymous site, but if you really want to take a look at me, to assure yourself I’m qualified to post here, I’m sure that can be arranged.

Given that one of their parents is white (me) I hope you are reassured they are not afraid of majority pop of this country.

So you felt 'shame, confusion anger and despair' due to your race at school but you don't understand why the OP's son doesn't want to be at university where he stands out a mile,

My dd has been at Newcastle for six weeks now and said to me today that the only only black person she has met in that time is the cleaner.

the only only black person she has met in that time is the cleaner

That is a very familiar situation to me, @HarissaAllDay - it always has been. But approximately 90% of the population of this country is white - it seems absurd for any adult who lives here to arrange their life in order to avoid engaging with that 90%.

The OP has not suggested her DS wants to avoid 90% of the population, she's said he is worried about fitting in, and would like to be amongst some others with a similar background to himself. Two completely different assertions, in my view.

From reading the higher education threads on here I understand that Exeter has very few students who aren't white.

I also thinkt that it depends on the course. My daughter studied a STEM subject, and there were a lot of non white students on her course.

I knew I had seen something before. This might make interesting reading, even if it is three years out of date. I doubt that much would have changed.

www.ucas.com/data-and-analysis/undergraduate-statistics-and-reports/ucas-undergraduate-end-cycle-data-resources-2019/2019-entry-ucas-undergraduate-reports-sex-area-background-and-ethnic-group

Thanks all. Agree the subject matters in terms of the data.

@TottersBlankly there may be good reasons e.g. health ones why the OP's or anyone's child doesn't want to study in a mainly white university and not simply fear.

If that is the case then surely you would have some understanding of some of the reasons the op son may not want to go to a university where the majority may be white. It is not too hard to imagine some of the challenges he may face. Nothing to do with being scared of people.

I’ve attended both Universities in my city (still at one finishing my Masters, I’m a mature student).
Current one is very noticeably a sea of white faces and the overall vibe is very, very different to my previous Uni, where it was very much a mixture of people.

And as a mixed race adult, with no desire to make friends at Uni as I have plenty already, I can tell you which University I prefer and which one I’d advise a mixed race teenager to go to.

@LadyKenya some black people regardless of their culture and upbringing don't or choose not to understand why black and mixed-black people are fearful of discrimination due to lived experience.

The current government is full of black and brown people like that.

Yes@RedWingBoots you are right. I personally will never understand people like that. And don't even get me started about those people in this current government🙄

A balance is needed though,

As a young black person growing up, my parents drummed into me that to go far in any profession I will have to get used to being the only black face in the room. That it was somehow my duty not to be scared or intimidated, that they will always fear me more than I should fear them. Completely over the top ( my parents were tiger parents on steroids ) but a lot of truth there. It resulted in my entire family going to top universities, Oxbridge , Bristol and Liverpool, all of us had very very few black friends at university, and in my corporate life again I often take a seat in meetings where I'm the only black face in the room.

Its fucking hard, and you need to be tougher than the white student to survive it, its that simple and I'm glad my parents didn't dress it up.

I rejected a place at a prestigious prep school attended by the children of the rich and famous, well known goverment figures, reassuringly expensive fees, I did this as I knew my black child would probably be the only black face in the class. I've kept them at a much more mixed prep in the suburbs, BUT I did tell the school I wished to remain registered for 7+ entry, when DC is a bit older and can handle it more.

Personally I wouldn't encourage my child to choose a university based on diversity, where does it stop? I wont become a top barrister or a Group Chief Executive of a global bank, because the vast majority are white?

They have to find ways to survive, when I was at university, I found the international students groups a source of finding black friends, and I found them, local black non-student groups was another source, any town in the UK has them, you do what you can to keep sane.

Its hard, its hard being black in a horrificly racist country

Anyway, Its a lot to put onto young shoulders, and I admit I'm a tiger parent who wants their DC to take over the entire world, and that's fucked up for some people. But when Obama wanted to president how many people told him not to go there? And that road started when he attended Harvard Law , one of the most prestigious law schools in the world, each year it takes around 1,700 students , last year in the 2020's never mind when Obama attended, 60 were black.

I am 💀 at this.

DD is 16 and she said to me yesterday “Why are these fucks behaving like rich white people?”

I said “Because when you’re that rich, even if you’re not white, you are a rich white person”

But I like coconut cunt much better. I shall tell her this later.