Canerows/Cornrows for Crotchet Passion Twist

[Benelovencd]

I'm really annoyed at the other two H&M threads on BMN that are being overtaken by squatters over BW trying to have a conversation that does not involve them.

So here is another space to hopefully discuss H&M without being overrun. As we were saying I believe Harry, and perhaps saying that will move the discussion from MM to Harry who had these conversations (I think I recall MM saying there were several conversations), but noone is calling him a liar.

(I will tag as many posters as I can, please feel free to add the others I miss)

@DetanglingHairTonight
@ShutIt
@debrianna
@RedMarauder
@DeeCeeCherry
@maggiethecat
@Cokie3
@Jangirl2018
@HmmmmmmInteresting
@Handsoffstrikesagain
@Quaagers

@phoenixrosehere

Anyone who points out that it was Harry that told Meghan gets shouted down from what I’ve seen.

From what I gather a lot of what she has been told is from Harry yet she is getting blamed for repeating it. Why would she not believe her husband? Why would he lie to her? A lot of people are too busy trying to poke holes through her story while ignoring what Harry has said himself and that he is the one telling her these things. I doubt he is the only one telling her things outside of all this. I notice people say they don’t believe her when she says she doesn’t watch her own press, and I can understand not believing that but no one seems to want to factor in that others like her friends could be telling her some of the things they are seeing. How many of us can say if we heard or saw something about our friends, we wouldn’t tell them?

The same women blaming Meghan for all of this are likely the same ones likely to consider themselves feminists.

The thing is, noone jumps to assuming family member is racist, you hear it all the time with people and their relative will say or do something racist and they will insist they don't understand, they are a different generation, it is casual racism (whatever that means Jane Moore) but deflect and minimise all the way through.

Why would Harry admit his family member was racist unless it was actually worse than what he is saying. I think they held a lot back. For a person to admit a family member is racist, the bar has to be really high in my experience as we constantly hear minimising and gaslighting and triggering things when the issue of race comes up see Sharon Osbourne as the typical reaction

It's really concerning when the line between satire and reality becomes so blurred, you have people falling over themselves to agree with Rosie only to be disappointed she is taking the mickey

twitter.com/RosieisaHolt/status/1370675340041981952?s=09

I won't even comment on this French headline
twitter.com/Nadine_Writes/status/1370677878145363970?s=19

Why would Harry admit his family member was racist unless it was actually worse than what he is saying. I think they held a lot back. For a person to admit a family member is racist, the bar has to be really high in my experience as we constantly hear minimising and gaslighting and triggering things when the issue of race comes up see Sharon Osbourne as the typical reaction

Agree with that and yet people want to say they should have named names yet if they did they would have gotten more scrutiny as they are now. Nothing they do is right as long as they either put up with it and/or stay silent because some people don’t want to hear it or think things should stay the way they are because it benefits them in someway while others continue to suffer under it. Regardless how you feel about them, them speaking out has put more pressure on not just the RF but the British press to modernise and to talk about the race problem in the U.K. that people bend over backwards to avoid speaking about.

Just checking in. I gave up with the other thread because it was swarmed. They just can’t help themselves 🙄

Thanks Jings . I just lost it when one poster mentioned she basically had every right to post here because she fought for this space 🙄🤔, entitlement much?

And yes phoenix now the cat is out of the bag and their "accepting" image has been spoiled, maybe the real work can begin. The British press looks terrible and vindictive from the outside looking in- it's qn obvious characyer assassination

Hi, thanks for the tag, yes the other threads are just getting
Just went into the other one and backed slowly back out again lol due to the latest posts!
I genuinely find it interesting that whenever people bring up race or try to discuss it, people take it so personally, like you're accusing them of being racist or something just because you disagree?
I think all this with Harry and Meghan and the racism claims is making people look more closely, or making them feel uncomfortable - it's something they'd rather not think about and so don't.
Or take offence and make it all about them (this is my experience anyway, have had a conversation in RL lately too and people get so defensive!)

It is the depth of commitment MM's detractors have to destroy her and violate any safe spaces created for fair discussions about her.

Imagine joining the center and heart of white supremacy and coming out unscathed.. why are people so dense in understanding racism?

Very happy to see this thread and hopefully it can remain a safe space. I've found the past week really challenging and had to stop myself reading things because it was all getting too much to see others denying our experiences of racism. It's been so frustrating to feel the gaslighting from the press and people at work or on socials.

I think that Harry was perhaps wary of warning M too much about press intrusion because past girlfriends had been scared off by it. I also don't think he could have comprehended the level of vitriol she would attract. I remember my white DH being surprised when we first started dating that I had experienced racism because it just had never been on his radar before.

What I find funny is that by MN standards MM had a DH problem. Then he stood up to his family and prioritised his wife and child as required by the MN Bible but MM is being pilloried for his choices.

Suddenly the idea of the obedient man child who yields to his family's requests is what is required of Harry. I can't.

I know I should ignore the squatters but I honestly struggle to let it stand as if I am condoning it. I had to stop watching and following for my sanity. I'm so quiet in my day to day life and always let it slide so it just becomes too much. Like my voice and value don't matter that's why I kept addressing them. I don't understand why on earth people would invade a safe space for someone else to centre themselves and discount others.

@debbrianna

Imagine joining the center and heart of white supremacy and coming out unscathed.. why are people so dense in understanding racism?

Right...that totally happened.

Yes Dahlia I know what you mean about white relatives being oblivious- but once you start to see it, you can't unsee it.

@Benelovencd
What I find funny is that by MN standards MM had a DH problem. Then he stood up to his family and prioritised his wife and child as required by the MN Bible but MM is being pilloried for his choices.

This is so excellently put. In addition, all the racists and excusing moderates on MN don’t realize they are THAT set of in-laws. The ones that quietly make someone’s life a hell through micro aggressions and then get angry when the person finally calls it out. They excuse the bad behaviour for days and don’t want the victim to “rock the boat”. “Why don’t you just keep quiet for a quiet life?” and all that other crap. Maybe that’s why they’re so angry. They recognize themselves.

I think that Harry was perhaps wary of warning M too much about press intrusion because past girlfriends had been scared off by it. I also don't think he could have comprehended the level of vitriol she would attract.

Yes. I’ve brought Cressida Bonas up in the past and how no one seemed to have a problem with her being an actress and no response. She’s still known more for being Harry’s ex than being an actress and she talked about her fears to People magazine in the States.

people.com/royals/prince-harry-ex-cressida-bonas-talks-fear-royal-split/

Let’s be honest with so many seemingly British women mad that Harry chose Meghan, an American, how many would actually have wanted to go through what all his former girlfriends had to put up with even as his exes? How many would really want to take Meghan’s place? How many would have been able to handle the onslaught? Be criticised from every angle and be seen as always lacking.. Having members of your family and friends being bombarded with questions and anything they said being misconstrued by the British press and tabloids? Or the press going as far as invading their privacy?

Not one of them and what annoys me most is that they refuse to admit it and relish in the fact of slagging a person they have never met and who has no bearing on them whatsoever. If it was them, they wouldn’t be able to say they didn’t know because they are British and not only have seen how bad the British tabloids are but feed into it and would happily do it to one of their own all under the guise that that is just par for the course because other royal women went through it. It makes me fear for the future of young women with that type of mentality running rampant and that is why things rarely change.

Also @Detanglinghairtonight I love your username! That was me last Saturday night! :)

Does anyone know what might be upsetting when talking about Sarah Everard's Jamaican heritage?

This isn't a thread about a thread, it is just me asking, of course.

I'm wondering what some people might find upsetting about it....

William is the culprit in all of this. I thought it was Charlse. But William is doing too much to try and not look racist. I think he might be scared of what might come out.

I think it could have been Camilla. How does everyone get mentioned in the interview but her..?

She may be Charles’ wife, but she is going to be Princess Consort and she was already scandalised by being his mistress. It would be extremely damaging if it was her.

It was William...I'm convinced...all the unnecessary mental gymnastics

@Sugarintheplum

Does anyone know what might be upsetting when talking about Sarah Everard's Jamaican heritage?

This isn't a thread about a thread, it is just me asking, of course.

I'm wondering what some people might find upsetting about it....

I think there was someone on a thread the other day who knows her. That’s the only thing I can think. Lots of the threads about sarah have been deleted.

@Benelovencd

It was William...I'm convinced...all the unnecessary mental gymnastics

Hmmm I’m still thinking Charles.

Nah, my bets on Camilla.

Okay, so I just wanted a place to dump this without necessarily starting a new thread, but has anyone seen this?

twitter.com/GMA/status/1375052817447198722?s=19

The man seemed calm about the whole thing, perhaps because he was being tangibly supported. Who knows his reasons. But, why would this woman call a black man the N word with her biracial child(ren?) standing there watching? What will these poor children be exposed to having that as a mother?! Yuk.