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Senegalese twists or crochet locs?

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warriorwomanx · 01/02/2021 19:33

So after another poster posted Jollof or rice and peas as a title in an attempt to stop her post being hijacked, which didn't work at all, I thought I'd try this.

I came off mumsnet during the blm protests as I couldn't cope with what I was reading. I only joined again when I heard they'd created a "safe" space for us to post, only to find that threads are constantly hijacked with the "sorry to hijack but I'm white and I think"... bs.
Starting to think people do it on purpose.
Not much point in this post other than a rant and a hope that a title about hair might keep the unapologetic apologists at bay 😂

OP posts:
Dastardlythefriendlymutt · 01/02/2021 20:03

I think this might actually work. Food is universal and even I would click on a link about a recipe I might be interested in.

What would anyone actually want to know about hairstyles unless applicable to them.

I also have had to take breaks even from blackMN which is often invaded by shockingly racist comments in the name of "not wanting to be excluded" and "how racist to have a black section" or "just because I'm not black doesn't mean I can't have a 'valuable' opinion on black issues " - catch my drift.

Let's see how long this takes to unravel. You might be onto something OP

warriorwomanx · 01/02/2021 20:15

Sadly you're right about the food thing. I thought it was a debate over African staples or Caribbean at first 😂 it's just shocking that even then they don't see an issue with asking "but will someone give me a recipe" after putting their two pence in. Is it so hard to see that this is not what they first thought, it's a ridiculous length to have to go to to keep a thread from being derailed so maybe they should just carry on about their business?
Yes I agree, especially the talk of "you're segregating yourselves".
Saw a lovely post about Amanda Gorman at the inauguration and the OP was told she "should have" posted it on the main section. We can't see who's who on here, anyone could have posted their appreciation but someone had to be offended at black women celebrating.

But yes, let's see if this works, although I'm sure there'll be at least one along shortly with a "sorry but" 😂😂

OP posts:
Starseeking · 02/02/2021 00:00

Like a fire determined to rage, you just have to not waste any oxygen on them OP, and they'll soon die down.

In all honestly I think white women are so used to being centred, that they genuinely don't know how not to centre themselves in any situation. They've been conditioned to behave that way. BMN is anathema to them, because it's not about them at all, so they feel it's exclusive, and that they are being denied something that they are entitled to (I.e. the whole of MN).

I'm sure MNHQ has received many many complaints about this section, yet there are many other sections such as Step-parenting or Property/DIY that these sand individuals may not have an interest in, yet don't complain about.

It's analogous to what we experience on everyday life, so it doesn't surprise me at all.

Dastardlythefriendlymutt · 02/02/2021 00:07

It's not difficult to walk away. There is a mixed race thread now about exclusion from both sides, particularly critical of black people. I'm not bothered. I read it and easily walked away. I didn't feel the need to centre my feelings as a black woman whether or not I agreed with the assertions.

0It is a conversation that those posters felt they needed to have with someone who understands their experience. I don't understand why so many posters feel the need to stop a conversation alien to them, that doesn't concern them to talk about their thoughts, feelings and opinions of the subject- even if it is one just thought up there and then as opposed to people who have had a lifetime of dealing with something in their lives and looking for those sharing a similar experience.

So easy to walk away, or start your own thread centering your feelings and perspectives (oh no, but that would usually blatantly expose your racism right🤔 ?)

Sugarintheplum · 02/02/2021 00:18

I think this is better. Yes.

I didn't choose food to elude white posters, of course I thought some would click and read, but yes, I thought if I go to this great length AND specifically ask for responses from black women TWICE once in bold and as my sign off, surely, but surely, it will be far too embarrassing for anyone who does not fit that description to post.

I underestimated (over-estimated?) again.

It actually saddened me. Deeply.

Starseeking · 02/02/2021 00:28

It's not difficult to walk away.

While I agree with you on this, it's seems that for some posters (read white women), they absolutely CANNOT walk away, such is their outrage at not being included. I can only think it must be due to their natural instinct to be centred, which Black women don't have a choice about.

There is a mixed race thread now about exclusion from both sides, particularly critical of black people. I'm not bothered. I read it and easily walked away. I didn't feel the need to centre my feelings as a black woman whether or not I agreed with the assertions.

I saw that as well. I agree that it's extremely critical of Black people, and it did bother me. However given that it was looking for a mixed race people with similar experiences, I concluded that it wasn't for me (as I'm not mixed race, and don't share those opinions on Black people) so declined to comment.

I suppose my summation is that, due to conditioning, upbringing, external factors, they are unable to decentralise themselves in a way we could never understand. I've seen it happen on so many threads in BMN, the one about Black men and BLM being the most prominent example.

Sugarintheplum · 02/02/2021 12:59

Im stoked we might actually get to 24 hours in this thread without any racism targeted at us and any white women telling us we must listen to their experiences.

If that happens I will metaphorically take all my clothes off and jump into the river. I will be that happy.

Dastardlythefriendlymutt · 02/02/2021 13:43

We may just make it. We are dangerously close

Dastardlythefriendlymutt · 02/02/2021 19:35

24 hours @Sugarintheplum. I think you have to make good on your promise to take that metaphoric jump in the river

PonDeReplay · 02/02/2021 22:03

I came onto this thread to say locs, definitely. But soon realised it was something totally different.

It is strange how much this section seems to bother some people. I’m pleased it exists, but sometimes some of the conflict and constant need to explain stuff feels a bit tiring.

I do a lot of walking away or ignoring behaviour I dislike - both on the threads and in real life. It’s easier than challenging it. However I really appreciate when others are brave enough to challenge.

Anyway @Sugarintheplum - have you had a dip yet?!?

SkedaddIe · 02/02/2021 22:06

9 year old girl pepper sprayed by police

SkedaddIe · 02/02/2021 22:13

I'm a very passive person. I've taken the Hippocratic oath ffs. But that video put me in a murderous mood. I can't help thinking that's my daughter.

When she's scared the one thing she wants is me or her mum. That little girl needed some comfort. Someone to make her feel protected not a bunch of strangers threatening her. They treated her like an animal.

Filthy disgusting racist cops.

Dastardlythefriendlymutt · 02/02/2021 22:45

Why? Just why?

Can we not just exist in peace...

Sugarintheplum · 02/02/2021 23:33

I'm to sure what to do with myself! I feel a tingling in my toes ;p

But seriously. I only discovered BMN a month ago and it rounded off a pretty racism-free year (due to being at home on lockdown of course) with a huge racist slap in the face.

I'm going to count my chickens here and just let rip, I hope that's ok.

I honestly can't understand why white women are all over this section. I have my thoughts, but it's so different from my own behaviours, I keep discounting my theories on it. Take one of the white women who killed off my thread on friendships. Her last post 'oh, should I not be here?' the fact I made it clear I was hiding is plain to see. Pretty unequivocal. Also, her contribution was 'I have tried so hard in my relationships with black women'. Note, she didn't write 'My SILs and I have tried in our relationships', instead SHE tried hard with them. This just leaves the impression that her SILs (black women) were the problem. And she's writing this, on black Mumsnetters in response to a post about difficulties in friendships with white women. So sick of this. Do they not realise that even if they just love being in black spaces, that their very presence makes it a mixed space, no longer a black space and that therefore they have never experienced said black space. Just like my post. You're ruining the party that you crashed.

Then this mixed race thread. From what I understand the gist is: 'I am not black' (ok, got it, understood and support you in that. Though, I do have to point out - you are in Black Mumsnet, but ho hum); 'black people do not consider me to be black' (which seems to be in line with how you feel about yourself); 'and I don't like that' (now I'm confused). But I'm not going to interject with that because it sounds like a nice safe space for them right now, and I don't really have that lived experience. I say 'really' because I have often been mistaken for being mixed race, and hell, probably being Jamaican I am (to my constant chagrin). I've found myself in many a screwed up conversation where mixed race people have started talking about being better than either black or white because they are mixed. Which always made me want to puke a little in my mouth. But I just excused myself, because do what you have to do to affirm yourself I this racist world, I get it... However, I do find this attitude scary because in general I find people who glory in whiteness, or their proximity to it, quite scary and for good reason. Mixed race people are, in my view, being progressively manoeuvred into the 'white' category, partly I expect because racist white people have seen the number of mixed race people swelling so fast that it is threatening and to have those people consider themselves black might just tip the balance of power, and they can't have that.

Another thing, and I'll be brief on this one. Can someone tell me what is so damn special about being in an interracial relationship? I have had the experience and it was entirely run of the mill, pedestrian, garden variety, unremarkable. Why are those white women always popping up saying 'my black husband'. Honestly, so what?

Anyway, what we should do in threads where we feel it is important to have a black space that is not tainted with centering by non-black people is just to leave the thread and start a new one, like this, gobbledegook title or whatever and just carry on. If they follow us we move on again. But let's not stop talking. Soon they'll tire, I mean, they are just mothers too like everyone else, with kids to look after, families to raise, and better things to do.....

Sugarintheplum · 02/02/2021 23:40

Oh yes, I saw that. 9 year old girl being too dto shut up because she's 'acting like a child'.

She was screaming for her father. yes, maybe because she wanted protective, but also maybe because for good reason she feared for HIS safety.

I really hope her and her dad are ok. You wouldn't catch me in the US except for maybe a connecting flight. That place is and will be doomed until they atone for murdering a nearly full continent peoples.... I can't see what has changed since the plantations honestly. At least in places like the Caribbean power has transferred to the black people who were enslaved there. In America nothing has changed at all. It was antebellum again during Trump's time in the Oval Office imo.

balloonsintrees · 03/02/2021 00:12

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Sugarintheplum · 03/02/2021 00:15

29 hours is not bad!

samosamo · 06/02/2021 11:05

Oh dear lord some of the recent threads/ comments on this section just make me want to take to my bed and pull the covers over my head.

So. Much. Racism. So. Much. Ignorance. So. Little. Reflection.

LillyFlower1984 · 06/02/2021 20:18

What was balloon tress comment?

DastardlytheFriendlyMutt · 06/02/2021 20:33

She was apologising for intruding and wanted to know more about hairstyles to help/understand? her black students

samosamo · 07/02/2021 10:10

I'll be honest with you. Mumsnet just makes me angry and it doesn't improve my feelings about the British public at all. There's just too much denial of what I know from my own repeated personal experiences.

Its been useful and supportive but I just can't stay. It brings me into contact with too many disavowing denying white people whom I really don't need in my life. In a few hours the other day black women were called dogs and elephants by a black woman and then a black man. It's too much.

Keep on keeping on my good black women xxx

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