The labour Party and Black women/Black people.

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To think that the Labour party pretends to be inclusive but they do not support black women and black people in general.

The last straw for me was how the black women were and are still being treated within the Labour party during the Corbyn administration afterward. The leaked Whatsup group chat and how they tried to sabotage the Labour party.
The MP for Wandsworth won and they could not support her out spite. The bully group tried to sabotage her campaign.

They bullied Diane Abbot to the point she hid in the toilet a few times crying. we only know this because they leaked this to the named reporter in the leaked dossier. At the same time, they were laughing at her weight by making jokes about whether she would fit into the cupboard or not.
Liaising with News reporters in regards to where to find Diane and leaking News to the press at a time when people where pilling in on her.

Kier Starmer came in with his slogan about getting rid of bullies. His aim is to clean the Labour party with the cesspit Corbyn left behind. fair enough. The only problem is, this does not apply to black women in his party being bullied. The leaked inquiry dossier has been requested to be released, however, this has been blocked. I believe the content is worse than what we can imagine.

I am also pissed of at the Labour party not taking responsibility for the Wind rush scandal. The idea that these documents where to be shredded came under labour. What then happened is that the Government then changed to conservative and it is when the shredding happened. The conservative government could have prevented this from happening when they came into government, but hey gave it the go-ahead and didn't stop it from happening. Why did labour go after the Tory government in regard to this matter? They were the original culprits who thought this was an Ok thing to do. It has puzzled me and I find it really difficult when I believe they know the truth. Some black voters will look at this issue and will vote labour thinking that the conservative party is fully in the wrong. can I just say that I am not advocating for the Tory party? I am just tired of the two-face labour.

I have name changed, my previuos post will come up under Creativecringe. I have used the laptop for this post and for some reason the website and app on my phone are not synching. I gave up on trying.

I do not think there is any party at the moment that gives a damn about black people and their issues enough to make any real change to be honest. I believe the conservative party are doing some review or other in to racial inequality as a result of the BLM protest? Let us see what the outcome of that will mean for anyone. There was so much that was wrong about the Windrush scandal. But the powers that be have been changing laws for years to restrict the number of black and brown people that can come and live here. I have no desire to vote for any party at the moment.

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I've just started listening to The Windrush Betrayal, on Audible. It's eye-opening!

I'm politically homeless at the moment. The Windrush scandal is appalling, the EU Settlement Scheme open to 3rd party nationals who have stay under EU laws e.g. Zambrano carers is disgusting and disproportionately affects black women who make up roughly 80% of that category despite having British children.

I was saddened listening to a fellow constituent advocate for herself at our MP's clinic.

And noone cares. Absolutely noone cares. Not journalists, not politicians, not the general public, noone.

Dastardlythefriendlymutt when it was unfolding, I was waiting for someone to pipe up and say "we got it wrong". But, nope. I couldn't believe what was happening before my eyes.

It must have been so humiliating. One minute you're a British Citizen and the next you're an Illegal Immigrant and sent to a detention centre

It was alright when we were helping to build up the economy, after the war by propping up healthcare, transport, hospitality, etc.

Disgusting.

MP surgery not MP clinic (autocorrect).

Yes I know Ablackrussian. My grandmother almost got caught up in it despite living her for over 60 years and being married to a British citizen and having British children. Luckily my grandfather was obsessed with keeping paperwork in case it "was useful".

Watching the same thing happen with the EUSS AGAIN and noone cares. They have such flippant answers to it to. Literally NOONE, NOONE cares.
And Windrush is still ongoing, people being asked for the same burden of proof that got them stripped of their citizenship and was ruled unlawful to prove to their entitlement to damages that rightfully belong to them.

How do you use the same yardstick that got people destitute to decide whether or not you will compensate them for making them destitute using the same yardstick. It's a sport in cruelty

How do you use the same yardstick that got people destitute to decide whether or not you will compensate them for making them destitute using the same yardstick. It's a sport in cruelty

Yes, it is. It's plain evil.

@Ablackrussian

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I've just started listening to The Windrush Betrayal, on Audible. It's eye-opening!

Ablackrussian I have got the Windrush Betrayal book. I wanted to read it but then the BLM protest were happening, and I felt and read so much racism on a lot of threads on Mn. I just did not have the mental energy to read the book yet. I do not have the fortitude at the moment. When I think of the way that black people over the years have just wanted to live, raise their families and work hard to do so, have been treated it is too much. It does not stop, from a young age black boys especially, will be aware of how they are viewed by Society, before they even reveal who they are as a person. And this outrage, this insult to the people of the Windrush, who are not in their prime, who should feel comfortable and safe, and this is what the Government has done to them. It never ends!

Watching the same thing happen with the EUSS AGAIN and no one cares
This^
If I was an EU citizen living in the UK and settled with no need to return to another European country, I would consider getting a British Passport or making sure that every paperwork is kept. At the end of the day, the chicken will come home to roost.

(Zambrano carers is disgusting and disproportionately affects black women who make up roughly 80% of that category despite having British children.)
This really made me very sad and pissed off. I didn't realise the number was that high. I know lots of women who are under this scheme. They can range from five to ten years. with ten years you have to renew every 2.5 years to make sure you haven't claimed any benefit. Anyone on the five years route who makes the mistake of taking any kind of benefits gets moved to the ten-year route.(without application of requesting). Most Zambrano holders have 'No recourse resource to public funds. Those who become destitute often end up under social services and they are constantly moving from place to place because they cannot get permanent or semipermanent housing. The children are constantly changing school or traveling long distances in order to keep up.

the number of children under no recourse to public funds is about 100,000. the movement has not bothered to keep track of how many children they have suffered under this. (The 100,000 also includes children whose parents are under the ten-year rule based on family life or overstayers but they have no recourse to public funds ).

roughly 80% means lots of black children who should be entitled to everything growing up in poverty. passport will not benefit. No child tax credits and no child benefits.

Mercy Baguma was not the first and she will not be the last to die becasue of such a rules. I am aware of another one who died because she was under no recourse to public funds and she was another black woman from Uganda.

I am now wondering how many Black women are under the ten-year immigration rule. The biggest problem with this rule is the number of women who end up staying in an abusive relationship with no way out.
I think hackney council should consider the appeal with Sistah Space and how that is helping women, especially women with no recourse to public funds coming to their doors. The Charity saw an increase in footfall in the new space because of accessibility. The women coming to them and the importance it places in the area. I don't think the winder communities think beyond how the abuse is happening.

Sorry for the long post.

(I wanted to read it but then the BLM protest was happening, and I felt and read so much racism on a lot of threads on Mn)

I have been on mn for a very long time. I got so tired of the constant gaslighting to the point I stopped posting for a while. In regards to the feminist board, I felt like I was constantly repeating myself. Tedious, brain numbing, and depressing. It gave me a similar feeling to the dailymail coment section. Every time I went on there, it was like self-inflicting pain. withdrawing was the best thing. This was a pre-self ID trance takeover. Mentally better too. I wonder if they actually ever thing of their comments.

Thinslicepizza Has this been featured in the local press. Is the local MP doing anything about this.

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Thinslicepizza Has this been featured in the local press. Is the local MP doing anything about this.

Which part of the post?

In regards to most of the things I have posted, it out there. Mercy who died was in the pres. Sistah Space has had a campaign for a while now. and there are lots of Campaigns by children's children/human rights groups to have 'No recourse to public funds' to be reconsidered and evaluated. Becaue of Corona visrus, people can apply to have removed. you will have to earn 31,000 or less in London or 28,000 outside London. this was after a huge campaign and job losses. the movement has also, requested councils to reconsider and to give children whose parents have no recourse to public funds to receive free school meals if their parents apply for them. There are forms parents can sign.
I hope these children do not go back to poverty again. These are British children born in the UK with British passports.

Regardless of the status of the mother, the children should not go hungry, that is not on. I will look up Sista Space.

I have been helping a woman who is a Zambrano carer. Her son is a British citizen. She had to undergo an assessment for Section 17 support and social services were dragging their feet to give a domestic abuse survivor a place to stay and means to feed herself and her 21 month old son.

Her social worker went so far as to say it was negligent for her to continue to stay with her son and not give him to his father as his father is entitled to UC and child benefit and would be able to take care of their son. I don't understand why the help a British citizen is entitled to is dependent on which parent they are with.

Seriously?? They would rather a child starve than accidentally help an immigrant?

The only reason she is destitute and applied for help is because the HOME OFFICE has take 17 months with her EUSS application which means she lost her job, her home and, ran through her savings trying to survive while waiting for her status.

It makes me sick honestly. And the worst thing is she is not the only one.

@Dastardlythefriendlymutt that is really crazy. Firstly, the child will end up with an abusive father.

Secondly, the mother will be deported. no Ifs. (The Home office does this all the time). A mother with a non-British passport child will not even be considered to stay. They will deport the mother and child unless the child is over seven years old. (What is so magic about being seven when you are child, the mind boggles).

Stick with your child and be homeless and destitute or give your child up and be deported.
or leave the country with your child and end up sometimes in a possibly worse situation. But that's only if the father does not want the child. If not, the mother will remain destute while fighting custody.

It's really tough. Had the Home Office just done their job and given her, a reply within 5 days (they say 3rd party nationals must wait indefinitely-what the hell does that mean?)ot even the Home Office standard of 6 months, she would have been fine with savings left, a home and a job still, but no.

The aim is to frustrate you until you leave. It is so incredulous and noone wants to help. People want to act shocked when things like what happened to Mercy Baguma happen but women in these vulnerable positions are ignored when they ask for help.

I said I would help her find a charity, I'm sure there was someone that would help. Charity after charity saying no in your face because of NRPF. You feel like giving up. And the few that do help are oversubscribed, in London only or help people in a specific area, offer short term help or as you can see with Sistah Space are under threat. She is on a waiting list now to get help from Praxis.

I was shocked when she confided in me just how bad things were. You wouldn't believe someone could lose their well paying job and everything over this.

I am going to google up a few charities and come up with a list in case someone googles NRPE or No Recourse to Public Funds. It can be a step for them to find help.

Alan Johnson (Labour) was the Home Secretary when the decision was made to destroy the Windrush landing forms, and Teresa May (Con) was the Home Secretary when the documents were shredded. I've no faith at all in any Party and it pains me so, as I spent so many years doing my bit for Labour and the Trade Unions. The infighting and corruption I've seen I could write a book about. Not that any other Party has clean hands. All snouts in the trough ime, with a few honourable exceptions.

The situation for Zambrano carers is appalling. Another hidden scandal with a side order of money making on the Home Offices' part. If you have thousands to spend you can go down the indefinite right to remain route and possibly have a better chance to stay and look after your child. I'm so angry reading about that social worker telling a mother to surrender her child to the father. How is that in the child's interest at all to have their mother then deported?

There is a firm of solicitors in Scotland who have written a good article about this for those who don't understand the issues. I'll do a link here for anyone who wants to read it and understand a small part of the issues.

www.morton-fraser.com/knowledge-hub/what-zambrano-route-what-today

I think that's a great idea OP. Maybe we actually start a new thread and put it there so people can add more links when they come across them. I was shocked how few charities we willing to help. I know my friend would have appreciated it when we were looking for help for her.

You are right Echo, both parties are as bad as each other. The average person doesn't have £2500 for one person for an application. It means saving £100 a month for 10 years to pay for each of those applications every 2.5 years. It sounds like a small amount but it's a lot of money when you can be made redundant because the Home Office took ages with your application

I have copied and pasted the below message.
that is so important. Thank you @EchoCardioGran

'I continue to see online forums, and Facebook posts, promoting making an application under the Zambrano route, but my advice to clients is to be cautious. Over the last 3 years, I have seen a high number of cases where applicants applied for a derivative residence card only to be refused as they did not meet the Home Office test.

The new guidance means that anyone considering an application under this route should carefully consider their options, and I would recommend they take legal advice before applying. While an application under the Immigration Rules can be expensive, it is likely to be the best option in many cases and will result in an earlier outcome than a derivative residence application and appeal.