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skihorse · 12/02/2010 09:37

I haz made new fred.

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givecarrotsachance · 01/03/2010 14:11

Aww iggs you have to, you're the same stage and me, cas and ski! cunty that means you, too.

I will get mine snapped and put up, thanks for info cas.

givecarrotsachance · 01/03/2010 14:11

pony just cut it off. The photo, not the bum .

GrumpyGasper · 01/03/2010 14:16

probably pony. I'm not glamorous - but trying to find some sort of glamour before it all goes to pot. Probably a hormonal thing, but suddenly I'm coveting really pretty luggage. Weirdo.

want more pix!

SilverSky · 01/03/2010 14:52

gals, bit early for me to talk about scans. Have you decided for or against any invasive tests and why?

I is finking maybe its best not to know? Baybee has one in 200 chance of having downs. Due to my old age.

Sorry so go all serious on you all, but has been on my mind.

iggypiggy · 01/03/2010 15:13

Silver I had a nuchal scan at 12 weeks - think most of us have? They are non-invasive - and they give you the risk for Downs, Edwards and one other that I haz forgotted. Anyway - if you get high risk from that - that is when they offer you the invasive tests etc.

GrumpyGasper · 01/03/2010 15:14

Silver - most of us got as far as the blood tests to get our odds for Downs. When they are considered low risk you are not offered further tests on the NHS. Our scores ranged from about 1 in 800 to 1 in 12,000 if I remember right, which is all good. Of course - and this is my mantra thanks to experience of a close friend - you can always be the one.

If you do want to know, consider now whether you'd like to have a private nuchal translucency scan. These can only be done up to 13 weeks and will most likely NOT be offered by the NHS. And if you're as lucky as me your booking-in will be so delayed that it's getting too late to discuss tests anyway!

rots has experience of other tests and I shall leave her to explain if she so chooses.

GrumpyGasper · 01/03/2010 15:15

x-post with the lovely iggy. BUMSEX!

GrumpyGasper · 01/03/2010 15:16

(i think all x-posts should be promply followed by rudeness)

iggypiggy · 01/03/2010 15:21

BUMSEX!!!!!!

I forgot about the blood test things... anyway - they combined my blood test results with my scan results for the Downs risk.

givecarrotsachance · 01/03/2010 15:25

silver it's a really tough choice. It really depends on what choices you'd make.

  1. If you would NEVER EVER terminate for Downs, there's almost no point having an amnio with its risk of MC other than that you can be prepared. However you may wish to have the nuchal scan which gives you a decent risk % with more than just your age to take into account. It's been reassuring for all of us - from the same sort of age risk as you have to 1 in much larger hundreds or even thousands.

  2. You can go through scan and test and still not have a healthy baby - or - you can be reassured by tests and still not be guaranteed a healthy baby. Because Downs is the single highest risk of mental retardation it's why most (many?) people test (at least by scan) for it, but of course there are squillions of other things which can go wrong which may or may not be picked up on in utero. Then life happens. For instance, my friend has 7 kids (2 called the same name, long story), one of whom has cerebral palsy (very seriously) and another who broke his neck aged 20 and is in a wheelchair. So in the end at some point each of us has to make the decision that "that's enough". Where you draw the line is up to you.

It's a horrible set of decisions and I don't envy you. I've got week 20 scan next week and I'm a bit nervous because of family genetics problems, although our worst testing was week 12 scans because not only did we have the nuchal to get through, but we were also trying to see if the baby has all its limbs as its daddy is missing bits and pieces (nothing necessary, obviously ) and his cousins are also missing limbs/ears/stuff. It looked like they were all there at 12 weeks but we will see more detail this time.

The question there is, a missing arm is ok, a missing leg is ok - but what about all arms and legs missing? We just didn't have the answers and fortunately it doesn't seem that we need to.

I also want the 20 week scan because my brother was born with a severe bowel problem which he nearly died from and now in his 30s, thanks to major emergency surgery at 2 weeks old, still has problems with. Had he been scanned at 20 weeks (which obv wasn't available then) it would have been picked up on and fixed immediately after birth with much better outcome.

Our final (screwed up) family history is that my Gran gave birth to a stillborn baby girl in her 40s, with spina bifida and hydrocephalus. When LC was born there was some concern as he has a brown mark over his spine at the bottom, but it turned out to be a dark birthmark which has migrated slightly to the side now, and wasn't an indication of SB. Gran's diet was always rubbish anyway so that's probably what happened to her baby.

It's a stressful time where you are, but there will get to a point where you can sit back and relax and enjoy it, I promise! How many weeks are you now?

givecarrotsachance · 01/03/2010 15:31

Oh and if you really want to know, my YOB (DH) is missing a dozen or so bones on one side of his body. You can only see a missing finger but it affects his arms, legs (missing knee cap for instance, ouch) and feet. His left side is smaller than his right - eg left foot 2 1/2 sizes smaller than right, different optic nerves, different blood pressure do to different sized arteries and veins - but you can only really tell when he's naked, which, you're unlikely to want to do (although I appreciate it ).

givecarrotsachance · 01/03/2010 15:32

do DUE

givecarrotsachance · 01/03/2010 15:33

Obviously you can't see the difference in his optic nerves or arteries etc, even when naked. But I guessed you figured that.

OK, as you were.

SilverSky · 01/03/2010 15:37

I is 7 weeks!

I kind of think not to have any and if the little one does have ishoo's that there are lots of support groups out there and what if this is our only chance of a little person.

Husband is sort of having same thoughts, tho if baby turns out to be v badly disabled he is worried about how to cope. Plus its hitting home and he is now shitting himself about being a pops. Tho still all early days yet.

Sorry but dumb fuck question alert. Are fresh cream cakes ou to eat? Have eaten half of it and now am wondering whether to eat other half. Internet is not giving me answers. Oh brainy ones tell me whether to scoff?

skihorse · 01/03/2010 15:40

Silver We chose not to be scanned for Downs. The reason being that because it's my first and I'm an eternal optimist I would not choose for termination - all it would have done is drive me crazy with worry and I'd have spent every day of my pregnancy thinking "well I could still get a termination in UK/Spain/Romania" and up and to my due date I'd worry and find my hand hovering over the phone. I'll cope with it if and when. A girl I had coffee with on Saturday was told her third was Downs. She had to PAY 90 quid for the amnio - which actually came back negative. But... they were quite happy to book her in for that abortion without being 100%! . She said she spent the entire 2 weeks waiting and worrying and ready to book the clinic rather than waiting for the amnio... I am livid on her behalf that you would have to PAY to find out for sure... and it raises questions (for me) about Skater's experience...

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skihorse · 01/03/2010 15:42

You can haz cream cakes - although 10 in one go is inadvisable. I have a cream cake every friday cuz it iz cake day at work.

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GrumpyGasper · 01/03/2010 15:55

cake always good. nom nom. (much baking in our household at the moment)

givecarrotsachance · 01/03/2010 16:08

silver yes that was a dumb fuck question

Anything that tastes that good can't be bad.

givecarrotsachance · 01/03/2010 16:11

ski actually I think it's easier (well for me) with the second to have made the decision to not test for downs, and if YOB had been against it we wouldn't have. That's because I don't have the "will I cope with being a mum" worry as well as everything else. If that makes sense. I think you were very "brave". Oh uber-patronising, but isn't meant to be. Sorry. It's kind of a going against the flow brave, if that makes any sense. You did, IMO, the right thing - meaning I didn't. Oh well .

skihorse · 01/03/2010 19:49

Do we have any VAG update?

Next PESH who asks a dumbass food question will be fed mussels with stilton until they're sick. With absinthe chasers obviously.

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SilverSky · 01/03/2010 20:32
SilverSky · 01/03/2010 20:35

carrots forgot to say earlier - fanks for sharing.

Same goes to the rest of ya!

Very difficult to get your head round things when you can't speak to anyone in RL cos its still to early. You girls are great.

SomethingSuitablyWitty · 02/03/2010 08:52

hello Peshs! I have tracked you here from the Besh thread. I have been impressed by the calm knowledge of ski and gasper over there and so have come here to the source. And I also want to have a look around just in case I .

So my question to you Oh Oracles Peshs: I have done the stupid testing early thing and despite the faint but encouraging lines, I am now very scared the droid will arrive anyway. Just wondered: did you have any spotting around the time first missed droid would have been due? As in, not all spotting is necessarily a disaster?

It may help me keep the madness in check in the coming days

GrumpyGasper · 02/03/2010 09:00

witsend I thought my period had started early. I never usually get spotting - just full flow from the off. But I had a day or two of spots. Then it stopped. Then I got a positive a couple of days later. My dear, all signs point to you being diffed.
see you back here very soon, I hope.

I am today wearing the maternity skirt I had not expect to be in until at least May. It's very summery - but most importantly has a comfy waist band. I was in major discomfort around my belly last night. Pre-natal yoga tonight...

skihorse · 02/03/2010 09:06

Ugh yoga, I am tempted by the offer of ante-natal yoga classes and the one thing I do like about yoga is that you finish the class lying down... but I fear it's all going to be a bit "evening-ey" for me. As for downward facing dog... jailbait and I had some mischief this morning and I commented that it's soon going to get so uncomfortable that we'll have to do "doggy sex". In defence of big dog and little dog, I did of course mean doggy-style...

switty I've not seen a drop of blood since my last droid in October - I seem to be the exception to the rule.

I am wearing the last pair of fitting jeans and a maternity top which has plenty of room for voluminous growth.

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