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Due Dec 08 - Christmas inductions ... The Holly and The I.V.

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kayzisexpecting · 21/11/2008 12:28

Here I have done it!!!!!

Just need more babies now!!!!!

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missmama · 27/11/2008 13:35

Traceface that is what I was hoping - I am 36 +2 weeks Lol I wish that was my age! I'll never see that again

I spent the sleeping part of last night dreaming My waters had broken - Every time I got out of bed I expected that to be it, but was dissapointed everytime.
I am excited that they might go this time as they never went with the other two.

EnchantedwithEdwardCullen · 27/11/2008 13:40

Hi,

is anyone using clarysage oil? Is it doing anything?

When did you start?

Am 36 weeks today and just bought some, am thnking of holding out for another week though

missmama · 27/11/2008 13:49

poisondwarf I thought I had better let you know that I now think your kids names are Rocky and Robin

Mind you this is coming from somebody who will not admit either of her sons names on an internet forum - just in case...

missmama · 27/11/2008 13:55

Enchanted I have my vial of clary sage sat in front of me as I type. I am 36 wks too but put a few drops on some cotton wool last night and rubbed it over my bump. Lumpy went mad - wriggling all over the place.
Was just debating with myself to put it on again to make him dance
The smell reminds me of green tea for some reason.

hiccymapops · 27/11/2008 13:55

Hello everyone

Veggie i'm so sorry about your cousin
Thinking of you and your family

Katie I think it was you that said you're trying to think of something to do with your ds as his last weekend as an only sibling wasn't it? I'm completely with you. I've absolutely shattered myself this week trying to take Ben out as much as possible. I'm already feeling really guilty about not taking him out as much when bumpy arrives. I've been to a few playcentres with him this week, and chased him around as much as possible (had a man looking at me very worryingly when i was clutching my bump and panting ) My dh is under strict orders that we're going out to play at the weekend

PD i'm dying to know what your ds is called? (am going through boxers names )

My midwife has told me a birthing ball will come in really useful at home. Do you think Bens space hopper would suffice?

Big hugs to everyone xx

artichokes · 27/11/2008 14:14

PD - does your DS's name contain 3 Ss??

CatDean · 27/11/2008 14:17

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Bisou · 27/11/2008 14:27

Veggie I'm so so sorry for your loss Take it easy, and as kayz says, remember we're all here for you.

Hatty if the baby is facing your back (as in, his/her back faces your belly button rather than his/her back on the same side as your back) then that is good! That's anterior, and the 'optimal' position for labour. PD here and here are those links to the sites about optimal foetal positioning for you. I made a note of them just in case Bisoubub decided to go posterior on me. I'm now 38 weeks but he's not engaged yet and head down with back to my side (LOT - left occipital transverse) so he could turn either way. Here's hoping for a nice 'LOA' birth! SL don't worry about not being engaged either - the midwife today said some women don't engage till just before labour starts, and that they even sometimes have seen women go into labour without being engaged! My sister said her 1st wasn't engaged till labour started either, so I've decided not to worry about it being 'normal' or an indicator of when bubs will decide it's time to come out

kayz well done with getting the ring off! If it makes you feel any better, I haven't worn mine for months. If people want to think of me as a 'loose woman' then they can go right ahead - bugger em! Nothing wrong with being unmarried and pregnant anyway these days I say. I've got them in a box somewhere safe as I can't be trusted not to lose them if I wear them any other way (I lost my original engagement ring... a long story for another time though!)

WG and Jam I'm sorry if the mattress wrapping info has worried you - I was the one that posted that link. I only came across it by chance, and it concerned me too which is why I posted it to encourage discussion about mattresses and what is safe etc. I can't remember the specific site that was 'out of date' but I remember there being quite a few hits about it when I googled, some of which were probably more recent if you want to have a look. FWIW I'm not 'wrapping' mine as such, but I do have a new mattress for the cot. It is actually just a piece of Dunlop mattress foam cut to shape, and it's anti bacterial & fungal etc and it cost me a grand total of $40 (which is only £17). I'm making fitted waterproof mattress sheets to go over it (x2 so I always have a clean one) but you can buy these too, you don't have to custom make them. For me, it's a small price to pay for peace of mind if nothing else. Mattresses don't have to cost a fortune if you have a piece of proper mattress foam cut to size like I did (they cost at least 2-3 times more for a 'shop bought' one). Also if you are buying direct from a foam manufacturer, they can cut anything to size - including curved shapes for moses cribs etc if you want. Anyway just thought I'd mention it because it might be something people hadn't thought of as an option if you're holding off buying a new mattress because of the expense.

trace can I pre-order some of your colostrum hair conditioner? I don't think I've got enough of my own to do a full wash yet

kayz have you already tried sleeping with a pillow between your legs? I was having awful pelvic pain till I started doing that, then it really eased up.

katie if you already mentioned the name as a choice to your friend previously, then she's the one who has been cheeky by nicking it first. I wouldn't worry about it too much at this stage - I'd just wait to see what happens when you have your bub and hopefully you'll know what you want to call him/her - either that name or something different. I've heard of so many people having a name lined up, and then deciding after meeting the baby that it wasn't quite right anyway! So either way, don't let it dissuade you from using whatever name you really love when you meet your baby.

Beans I think I might be opting for the oral vitamin K dose too like Turnip - I read something somewhere about it that said that way the baby's system just takes in as much as it needs, and discards the rest (as we do when we take vitamins) rather than it's body having no option but to take a specific injected amount. I think there are pros & cons with both options though, but I know it's definitely something that's highly recommended that babies have. On a related note, the midwife today asked me about whether I wanted the baby to have a hepatitis B injection too, and I didn't know that it was something they offered. I'll have to do some more research on it - do any of you have any thoughts/knowledge about it?

PD - you had to pester your midwife for both a urine test and a strep B test? That's outrageous! I thought strep B was offered as a standard - at least it is here. I came back positive for my test so I'm really glad I did it. My mum was a midwife for 8 years and during that time saw a baby die from strep B, so for me it's just a risk that's too scary to take. Prevention treatment is just an injection of antibiotics at least 1hr (preferably 4) before giving birth. And it takes only a minute supposedly. My midwife said they can do a butterfly needle rather than cannula if preferred (supposedly a cannula can be a bit uncomfortable in your hand if you're active birthing and on hands and knees). I don't know about the urine test vs swab, sorry (I had the swab).

And lastly, kays - my sister said it was just as painful birthing her 7lb daughter as it was her 9lb son! So try not to worry too much about size, as he will be the 'perfect' baby size, and I know you will do fabulously well!

Turniphead1 · 27/11/2008 14:29

PD the posterior stuff is of course my PLAN of action - haven't done any of yet!

Kayz I wouldn't worry about what the m/w said about weight! You are still well on target for a normal sized baby. If it makes you feel any better (or it may just scare you...) My first was 7lb 3 - horrendous 3 day labour. No.2 was 10lb - lovely waterbirth in 9 hours, no pain relief, not a problem. Honestly, size has very little to do with how difficult it will be (up to a certain point of course!) - especially when it's your second.

Exciting wahat she said about baby maybe coming soon!

Cat liking the idea of mindgames... Yes, darling - top three are Peregrine, Tarquin and Xavier - see how quickly he opts for Robin!

Turniphead1 · 27/11/2008 14:31

ps; my secret stork arrived!! Big thank you to mystery lady! It is beautifully wrapped so will keep it til baby arrives (or Christmas whichever is the sonner )

poisondwarf · 27/11/2008 14:35

missmama Rocky ... hmm, like it. Will it do for a girl I wonder? And no arti it doesn't have any Ss in it (who do you mean btw?). And just for you hiccy, it's (Octavia-style drum roll..)
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Sugar Ray Leonard!!

Only kidding - it's really Frank Bruno.

Actually feel rather silly now - it's not that exciting, mysterious or exotic a name really, just one of those like-it-or-hate-it names that you either think is cool or you think is a bit ... dunno ... weedy or geeky or summat maybe? HTDH

Bisou · 27/11/2008 14:36

LOL Turnip you put the size issue into perspective so much more eloquently than I did. Great to hear you had a good waterbirth experience, I'm hoping to use the big bath at the midwife led birthing centre (within the hospital) as they can do a waterbirth with that if that's what you would like. We also have a 8ft intex inflatable pool on standby as well, which might be handy for before I go to the hospital (depending on how long it takes to fill...)

SummerLightning · 27/11/2008 14:38

I thnk Arti means Cassius?? Muhammed Alis real name isn't it?

That was what I was thinking anyway.

Turniphead1 · 27/11/2008 14:41

Bisou on StrepB - it is not standard at all in the UK. There has been a continued hoo-ha about it certainly ongoing since I had DD 5 years ago. There is even an organisation that campaigns for it to become standard.

The reasons it is not, is cost (as in the test itself and administering antibiotics). The actual number of babies that have serious problems with StrepB is actually quite low (but my view would be that it would be worth it to save even one life). There is also some research that you can cause similar amounts of problems by administering unnecessary antibiotics to mothers and babies. Because of course lots of babies are born to Strep B positive mums with no problems....There is also a problem with when to test - as someone negative at 37 weeks may have it at 40 or vice versa. The research from the States and Oz where it is standardly given is not conclusive on a cost/benefit ratio.

At the private hospital I am at - I have had to send of for my OWN group B strep test too, administer it myself and then present my M/Ws with the result. This is what they recommend as it costs way more to do it in the hospital and these test companies charge only £32.

Here is a link for anyone who wants to be Group B strep tested. You do it between 34-37 weeks.

Group B org

JollyBear · 27/11/2008 14:45

veggie I'm so sorry to hear about your cousin. Hope your family cope as best they can.

Cat LOL at your DH going all Preston!

poison We mustn't live too far away from one another. We could have a meet up for two sometime in the new year .

I can't remember who it was who went in for monitoring and was having regular tightenings on the monitor. I went to the clinic today and they had me on the heartbeat/contraction monitor and you could see really regular rises on the graph, every 5 mins or so. The midwife said they were just braxton hicks but it explains some of the discomfort I suppose.

I got booked in for my c-section today - 15th December!

kayzisexpecting · 27/11/2008 14:53

I feeling really duh today. I just thought about what would happen if I didn't reconise contractions. I'm sure I will but I am slightly worried now.

I don't know if he is back to back or if he is facing my back. The MW didn't say so hopefully he is in the right position.

Back is hurting again, it's really driving me mad now. MW said that because I got the brace so late it might not work. Which is true, it's not working at all.

Bisou I have a big long pillow which I might try tonight. Hopefully it will help so I can get some sleep.

Sorry I have been a bit selfish and posting 'me' posts recently.

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poisondwarf · 27/11/2008 14:54

Bisou the urine test was the Strep B test - they are only going to test for that, not stuff that other people seem to get tested for all the time like protein, UTIs etc. Every time I ask about urine tests of any kind I get the "not hospital policy without symptoms" line. Don't know much about Strep B but if it's transmitted in labour I'm thinking maybe the vaginal swab would have been better. The thing that annoys me the most is that they have posters up at the hospital warning of the dangers of Strep B and stressing how easily avoidable deaths from Strep B are - so why aren't they screening for it? The mw said that although hospital policy is not to test routinely, they would test if the mother specifically requests it (then made me confirm over and over again that yes, I was specifically requesting it). I mean, I'm not at any more or less risk than someone who's never heard of Strep B (which I must admit I hadn't until this pregnancy) - where does this leave the (I imagine) majority of mothers who are unaware they are not being screened for something potentially life-threatening?

Sorry, always feel like I'm ranting about my hospital on here ... must sound like a right Victor Meldrew!

penny99 · 27/11/2008 14:56

Beans33 - as others have mentioned, I was told that the Vit K can be given orally but that the baby might not take enough of it to be effective which is why an injection is offered. You could also say to your DH that you could decide on the day - apparently the risk of clotting is much higher after a difficult birth (forceps etc) so if you don't have a difficult birth, you may feel more comfortable with the bub taking Vit K orally. I had quite a bit of a think about this Vit K stuff but the biggest thing for me was that it seems to be one of the first 'parent' decisions you have to make and it made me wonder how much more we have in front of us in terms of all the other types of jabs they may/may not have in future!

Ah, how life is changing. I didn't even know what colostrum was a few months back and to think I am now having a giggle at it being used as a hair conditioner.

My two cents on the 'same name' issue is that you should name your baby what you want, despite others already 'using' that name. People won't think that you copied as people spend months thinking about names and as the baby grows up it is not necessarily going to have much to do with the children of your friends (family is a bit more tricky). It would also be sad for you to have to 'settle' with another name if you had your heart set on a particular name.

Is it just me or does there always seem to be 'one more' christmas present to buy! I thought I had bought all my gifts (except for poor DH) until I remembered another one. I do feel slightly smug this year as I do have a few extra gifts wrapped up for those embarassing moments when someone has a gift for you that you have not bought one for. Only problem is that of course these extra ones are not suitable for the one I forgot!

CatDean · 27/11/2008 14:58

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hattyyellow · 27/11/2008 14:59

Veggie so sorry to hear your news .

Pixsix so sorry to hear about LO's breathing difficulties - hope all settles down and he is okay.

Jolly congrats on the section date - 15/12 has a good ring to it - nicely symmetrical within the month!

Re entertaining toddlers - I have been rubbish and have left it up to nursery and pre-school where they are for a total of 3 mornings per week to stimulate them and then we collapse in the afternoon and watch a video/do colouring at the moment. Have just picked up a message from a friend inviting me and DD's to tea tomorrow, they'd love to go but I'm so tired I don't know if I can even face loading them in the car to get there!

Have just got all cross with poor DD's over something very minor . Have really reached a wall with tiredness and general self pity today!

Turniphead1 · 27/11/2008 15:03

PD I am continually surprised that your antenatal care doesn't do urine testing as standard. I thought it was totally standard everywhere as many of the things they test for (protein, glucose etc etc) are the things that can then flag up something else (eg UTI, preeclamsia, gestational diabetes), rather than the other way round. Can't understand it. Those wee sticks cost nothing. This is the Homerton right? Most odd.

Jeez - I was reading a memoir of a midwife in the East End in the 50s and even then they did routine urine testing. And in those days - they did it by boiling the wee in pots. The writer describes the stench beautifully!!!

CatDean · 27/11/2008 15:07

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Turniphead1 · 27/11/2008 15:10

Cat do you get your wee tested at each antenatal appointment at the Homerton?

penny99 · 27/11/2008 15:18

Oh CatDean - should have mentioned that most of my pressies have to be posted to Australia so baby or no baby, I usually have to have them ready by early December. In past years I have not had anything ready in early December so have desparately searched for online shops on Oz but they are not as good as the online shops here.

I don't specifically recall being tested for group Strep B, although I have had a urine test at every appt so maybe I have been tested.

poisondwarf · 27/11/2008 15:18

Thanks for the GBS link Turnip - I wonder why they say 34-37 weeks (I'm over 38 weeks now).

JollyBear unfortunately I am an exile from the Great North West (I live in London) - well I say unfortunately, but I was there all last week and grim didn't even come close. I come from one of the more unpleasant towns around there it has to be said. I would love to be nearer my family but struggle to come up with convincing arguments why I should drag DP & DS up there to live given the atrocious climate & lack of jobs. Are you near Manchester? I lived there as a student and all I can think of when I look back on that time is standing at bus stops in the rain. Anyway I am planning to spend quite a bit of time up there whilst on maternity leave, even though it looks like we're moving to Colchester in the new year, so perhaps we could meet up some time if you're not too far. Oh and congrats on your section date - updated list please!

Summer Cassius ... of course! Nothing as poncey as that I'm afraid. Now you really would have to be able to live up to that one in my grim northern town!

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