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8week miscarriage isn't quite the same as delivering a full-term stillborn?

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Lira · 12/09/2012 10:53

I'm really sorry for the upsetting nature of this post but i am heartbroken. Tomorrow is the third anniversary/birthday of my stillborn son who was born full term. I have phoned round my friends to ask if they are free to mark the occassion like we do every year. We go for lunch or something. We talk about him.

My friends have been quite evasive about it this year and finally one called this morning saying she thinks i should let it go. I can't keep letting this haunt me forever. She had a miscarriage at eight weeks a few years ago and i don't see her organising anniversary lunches etc. Her words.

I'm so sorry if this sounds cruel, but to me - yes, they are two horrible situations but not quite the same. Delivering a full term baby, and holding him, getting a photo of him etc is not on the same level as a eight week miscarriage. Just as i think someone losing a child - for example a baby to cot death - is again far worse than delivering a still born.

I understand that everyone has different emotional boundaries. So for some people, a miscarriage at 4 weeks could feel the same as someone losing a child to cot death.

Basically, i jusst feel quite embarrassed now and isolated. I want to celebrate Ethan's life no matter how short it was. But i've been made to feel it's insignificant. Am i being unreasonable thinking both of our children's deaths are terrible, but not quite on the same level?

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fioled · 12/09/2012 22:14

Great post confuddled

Watching my husband walk our daughter up the aisle in her tiny pink coffin, instead of a big white dress like he was supposed to do one day will haunt me forever. My burly big rugged DH has never looked so crumpled and broken as he did in that moment.

Lira I'm so sorry that your friends are being so unkind. :( 3 years is no time at all. It is 2 years and almost 3 months since my baby Belle was born sleeping, I can't imagine I'll be ready to 'move on' or 'get over it' in another 9 months. Or ever for that matter. Always as much my daughter yesterday, today, tomorrow, forever. What an insensitive and stupid thing to have said to you.

Is it really too much to ask of our friends to remember all our children on their birthdays? I'm sure they'll happily come along to the birthday celebrations of our living children, so why is it too much to ask that our friends join us on our angel babies birthdays too? To me it would be like someone saying to me 'ah I came to your DS 1st and 2nd birthday, can't be arsed with his 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc etc, time to forget about his birthdays now he's had two.'

Lira in the worst time of our lives, and for a bereaved parent we know that is ongoing, and ongoing and ongoing, you really do find out who is real, true friends.

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LookBehindYou · 12/09/2012 22:16

The 'times change' thing is beyond belief. So flippant.

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MinnieBar · 12/09/2012 22:21

Lira where do you live (roughly?). Maybe there are some MNers who would happily meet you for lunch and celebrate Ethan's birthday with you.

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expatinscotland · 12/09/2012 22:30

'Is it really too much to ask of our friends to remember all our children on their birthdays?'

No. I could do it even before I even had children. It just seemed the thing to do.

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JugglingWithPossibilities · 12/09/2012 22:36

Some people are rubbish at remembering any birthdays, but if you're asked by your friend to help remember and celebrate their birth then of course there's really no excuse.

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marriedinwhite · 12/09/2012 23:01

Are you bearing up Expat? I don't think I will ever forget your dd or all of our prayers for her and for you.

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chipmonkey · 12/09/2012 23:08

My colleague remembered Sylvie-Rose's birthday. I had stupidly decided to work that day (Never again!) and she came in and gave me a hug.
And that's how colleagues become friends xx

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marriedinwhite · 12/09/2012 23:20

Am going to bed now. Hope tomorrow is OK Lira. I will be thinking of you and Ethan. With love and prayers x. You too Expat - Ailidh touched so many hearts. Having a little cry now. xx

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confuddledDOTcom · 12/09/2012 23:30

What I am saying is: At some point, you say: I was blessed with this amazing person in my life. It wasn't long eough and I'm determined to make a legacy they personally didn't have time here on earth to achieve.

Just because we remember their birthdays doesn't mean we don't remember them in other ways too.

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expatinscotland · 12/09/2012 23:52

married, thanks for asking. Have good days and bad days, as will probably always.

But women like you, sharing their stories and their memories of their beautiful children, you have no idead how supportive I find it.

Mothers of angel babies have given birth. They have to register both their birth and their death, and I know both those experiences. They have to make arrangements, for the body/shell of their child. They cannot walk away, it is a legal requirement of them.

And just now in Aillidh's unit, last Saturday was the funeral of a beautiful baby girl, born 22 April 2011, taken by the same disease that claimed Aillidh. She died before she made it to 16 months. I remember seeing her lovely mother, after they were told their child had failed to remit after all the drugs known to treat AML, and how she cried about how she would never walk (she was 10 months when she diagnosed and ill after that), never say 'Mum', and how she wanted shopping, spa days, period pains, relationship troubles and whinging for driving lessons. All I could do was hold her and cry, my child was in PICU already then.

I saw her again, the night A died, in the onco unit. She asked how things were going, despite already knowing her own child was probably terminal. I told her that A was likely to die, I was just down for a much-needed shower a few minutes. And her great blue eyes filled with tears and she came to cuddle me and she whispered, 'I know I will be in your place, in 5 or 6 weeks.'

I hoped and prayed against hope, that wouldn't be true. But it was. Her child died.

And, following A's death, the death of Naomi Sharp, age 15. Same disease as both those girls. One year post successful bone marrow transplant, she relapsed. She chose to go for more chemo. It killed her in less than 6 weeks. With AML's who require stem cell transplants, it is only successful at cure about 50% of the time. In those who relapse within 2 years, well, let's put it this way, the odds are so poor, they give you the option, assuming your child is even found medically fit to possibly withstand it (and a significant percentage are not), to not do anything more.

And I think, how we went to a memorial service for those who have died in A's unit in the past 5 years on 19 August, they were not so few for 2012, and now there are three more and, sadly, I know the parents of some of the children whose names are to come when we go back next year. Sad

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expatinscotland · 13/09/2012 00:23

Even though my daughter was 9 when she died, I'm so, so sorry for those who have lost their children through stillbirth. And I wish to end the taboo surrounding stillbirth, neonatal death and death in childhood.

You cannot catch it, it is not contagious and talking about it will not make it happen to you.

Ignorance might, particulary as there were two threads here trying to raise awareness of possibilities of complications from ECV and herpes simplex virus that resulted in neonatal death for two babies, but hopefully won't for you.

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LizaTarbucksAuntie · 13/09/2012 07:18

Lira - DS, DH and I just said a prayer for Ethan and wished him a Happy Birthday.

We also lifted in prayer the other families who understand better than we do what you're going through and prayed for clear, bright and happy memories of your precious loved ones to bring you comfort.

I hope the day is gentle on you.

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Whatevertheweather · 13/09/2012 07:41

Just wanted to come on a wish your darling Ethan happy 3rd birthday. Hope you get to spend the day as you want to Lira xx

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minceorotherwise · 13/09/2012 07:42

Sharing your happiness and sadness today

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MiaAlexandrasmummy · 13/09/2012 07:47

Thinking of you and Ethan today, Lira. I hope you can fill your day with love and light.

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missymoomoomee · 13/09/2012 08:06

Thinking of you and Ethan today. I hope the day is as gentle on you xx

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marriedinwhite · 13/09/2012 08:14

With love.

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Badvoc · 13/09/2012 08:17

Thinking of you today.
And you expat. Your posts are so humbling.
Thank you for sharing x

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Thumbwitch · 13/09/2012 08:20

Happy birthday to Ethan today. Hope you managed to find a way to celebrate his birthday with people who care. xx

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Thelobsterswife · 13/09/2012 09:03

Happy Birthday Ethan. Take care Lira.
For all the parents on this thread who have lost a child, I am so sorry for your losses.

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5madthings · 13/09/2012 09:03

thinking of you today lira and wishing your precious boy a happy birthday, i hope you have a special day with your family, much love to you all xx

love to who had lost, expat your posts last night have brought me to tears :( so many precious children, its just so infair. losing a child is an injustice no-one should have to suffer and i agree the taboos surrounding death, esp the death of babies/children need to be broken. The parents of those who have lost their children have the right to talk about them and if they want we should join them, say their names and remember them.

Aillidh, Sylvie-Rose, Belle, Angel, Merryn, Erin, Mia, Ethan, Billie we do remember you and many more. i am sorry i cant remember other names right now, but actually i shall endevour to do so and i will light a candle this evening, much much love xxx

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JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 13/09/2012 09:12

Thinking of you Lira, and Ethan, today. I wish we had a ballons emoticon. Here are some happy Thanks and a :) in their place.

And thank you for starting this thread.

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Mechavivzilla · 13/09/2012 09:23

Happy Birthday Ethan! He is real, he is yours and you love him.

Thinking about you today with love.

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Needingsomeadvice · 13/09/2012 09:40

Thinking of you and Ethan today Lira. I lost my own beloved first son through stillbirth 7 years ago and although I have some lovely friends through SANDS, it breaks my heart every year that I have to remind people and nobody else really wants to remember him :-(
Hope you can remember him today. Your friends can be so hurtful when they disregard your child whether they are still here or not.

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Bluefrogs · 13/09/2012 09:42

Thinking of you today Lira,hope you are able to celebrate Ethans birthday in a fitting way.
Hope that it gives you some comfort today to know that actually there are lots of people who really do want to share your day and celebrate with you!
I'm looking outside and it looks like a beautiful day xx

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