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Struggling at this time of year, missing my babies

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NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 07/11/2011 23:19

Not really sure what to say.

I've been struggling for a few days now.

Next month it will be four years since my daughter died, right before Christmas, and in January it will be five years since my son died.

They were both babies, my son was stillborn and his loss was very out of the blue, all fine one minute and then suddenly being told he had no heartbeat. I hadn't felt any pain, no bleeding, there just wasn't any sign that anything was wrong with him. After he was born they couldn't find a reason for his death and they couldn't pinpoint the day he died, but I think it was on my birthday.

My daughter died following a car accident we were involved in, a lorry hit our car and injured me and although they did everything they could to prevent it, eventually I went into premature labour, developed an infection and they couldn't do anything for her or stop my labour and she was born just before 24 weeks and was too tiny to survive. I almost died too.

I'm not really coping with it at the moment. I just miss them and this time of year doesn't help, the anniversary to the accident is looming, then the memory of the time in hospital, her birth and death, Christmas, the anniversary of finding out our son had died and then his birth two days later. It all just gets a bit much and there are just six weeks between our daughter's birthday and our sons.

That first Christmas after both of them died was so hard. We knew it would be horrible because it was our first Christmas following our sons death, but the loss of our daughter just days before Christmas was such a blow, it was horrific, I can't describe what it did to us, and I was so ill and DH thought I would die. And he was back and forth to the hospital and sorting everything out for our daughters funeral and people kept telling him to "cheer up, it's Christmas" and we still get that now. You can't have one single sad moment at Christmas without someone telling you to cheer up or to think of our other child or stop spoiling things for everyone else. I think we do bloody well considering, and we put a lot of effort into making Christmas special for our other LO, our only living child, but it would take a stronger person than me to not have even a moment or two of feeling sad through some of it.

We have another LO now, who is 2 and a half, and he's been ill lately and I get so panicked and stressed thinking something will happen to him. He's had a virus and I have it too, so we are all feeling pretty tired and crappy, can't sleep properly because of coughing etc, hot and feverish, that sort of thing. LO has been in and out of hospital because his virus caused breathing difficulties.

And then last night I watched Downton Abbey where they all had Spanish Flu and one of the characters died. It was the way she died, talking one minute and then just gone.

It made me feel so helpless. That's how quickly my babies went, one second here, the next gone. It terrifies me that LO could also be taken from me in an instant and it hurts that my babies could just slip away like that and I didn't even notice. I walked around for days believing I was still pregnant with a healthy baby and no idea that he was already dead.

And my daughter fought so hard to survive, she was so tiny but she lived for over two hours. But she was so tiny it took a nurse to tell us that she had gone, all we could do was sit and hold her and wait for her to die, but by the time she did we needed someone else to say so.

Like I say, I don't know why I'm posting. I just feel so useless and hopeless and lost right now. Probably this virus thing isn't helping me to think clearly. But I just wanted to try and get it all out. Doubt it even makes sense. I'm just sitting here blubbing a bit and I just want to keep saying it isn't fair.

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isitmidnightalready · 08/11/2011 00:58

You poor thing, Look after yourself and go with it. You can't change what has happened but you can still grieve.

Everlong · 08/11/2011 11:28

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NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 08/11/2011 11:32

Thank you.

It's strange, you start to think you've felt everything and then some new thing happens and it really sets you back.

It's just the speed of it all this time. I can't understand how it can all happen so quickly, how can something as massive as the end of a life take place in just a second or two?

I just cannot understand or accept that at the moment. How can death be so quick and so irrevocable?

When they told me our son had died they said "I'm sorry, but your baby has no heartbeat" and my first reaction was to demand they do something to restart it. I was certain, absolutely convinced that because I was still pregnant with him they could just do something to bring him back to life, because he could live off me somehow they way babies are supposed to live off their mothers before they are born. I know it was the shock now, but I was convinced even death was fixable if it happens before you are born. We were still connected, he was still inside me, I was alive, I was convinced that meant they could do some kind of operation to bring him back.

I still don't think I've truly accepted that they couldn't. I mean, I know they couldn't, but I don't want to know it and I don't want it to be true.

There should be a moment when somebody dies that you can still snatch them back, if you are just quick enough and know what to do. It shouldn't just be that change from alive to dead and have that be it, over with no second chance. I think that's the thing that has me wanting to shout "it's not fair" right now. That second chance just doesn't exist and it terrifies me for my LO and breaks my heart for my son and daughter.

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Everlong · 08/11/2011 11:39

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NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 08/11/2011 11:53

We had a couple of visits from the bereavement midwife when we first lost them but nothing in the way of counselling really.

I thought I had been coping quite well. We lost our son at the end of January 2007 and our daughter in December the same year, so there's eleven months between the losses but just six weeks between their birthdays. My DH is in the armed forces and was deployed for six months in the same week that we had her funeral, so he wasn't at home for our sons first birthday.

So for a lot of time we didn't even have each other to talk to. I did go on the SANDS website eventually, and that helped, since it was shut down for awhile in 2009 I haven't really been back.

I'm just feeling a bit stunned that after 'all this time', which also feels like 'no time at all', I can still feel so overtaken by this feeling about the unfairness and suddenness of it all.

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Everlong · 08/11/2011 12:00

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NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 08/11/2011 13:24

How many sessions of counselling did you take?

I've never really thought about it before, not since the early days, when I didn't think I would be able to stand to talk to a stranger, because now it feels like too much time has passed and I should be able to cope without it.

And mostly I can. This wave has come out of nowhere for me, I've really been taken by surprise on how set back I feel.

I'm really grateful for the way you have replied, especially since this must also be a very difficult time of year for you too. Was your son a baby too, when you lost him?

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Everlong · 08/11/2011 14:01

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WhoWhoWhoWho · 08/11/2011 14:11

I don't have lots of wise words NoOnes but I wanted to let you know I have just read this and my heart went out to you. To have lost two babies - anyone would find this time of year hard, do whatever you can to get through it as best you can and just take care of yourself. X

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 08/11/2011 14:21

Oh my goodness, Everlong, I can't imagine what that must have been like for all of you, I am sorry. I'm glad the sessions helped you. Lots of love returned to you too xxx

WhoWho, thank you, everyone has been so kind and it does help.

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Catslikehats · 08/11/2011 14:34

noone so sorry for the loss of your babies and everlong for the loss of your son.

My DS2 was stillborn in August 09, I think about him every single day and Christmas of course is hard, I feel the loss so much more, the hole in my family seems all the more obvious. All I can say and I don't know whether this will help but as my older DC's get older it becomes easier to bear: their excitement is infectious and we have no choice but to get swept along with it. It helps me.

Have you tried a local sands group? My DH had to go overseas the week after our DS was born and I felt very alone. I found them incredibly supportive - far more help than the counselling I had.

CombineArvester · 08/11/2011 20:08

Oh noone I'm so sorry to hear your story. It seems so unfair that you lost your daughter after losing your son like that. I lost a baby after my waters broke in the second trimester and I felt so awful for such a long time. I went on to have another baby quite quickly, but as you know it did not heal the pain of losing the first baby.

I also find Christmas very hard as we were going through a lot of extra scans and tests with the baby, we found out on Christmas Eve that there may be a problem with her heart (there wasn't) and Christmas was bloody miserable.

I had counselling every other week for 9 months whilst pregnant with the next baby and it really really helped with the anxiety. I should have carried it on but I eventually had some online counselling which also helped.

I can really empathise when you say the way you are feeling has come out of nowhere. It seems I can have days where I don't feel sad and then for no reason I will cry myself to sleep at night (months can go by without this happening, then I will feel awful).

It is going to be very difficult for you not to feel anxious about your son after life has treated you so cruelly twice. That bubble we all used to imagine was around us has well and truly gone for you. But with counselling you may find ways of managing your anxiety. (for example, when I imagine DS1 has leukaemia just because he has a nosebleed, I write down all the more likely causes (nose picking!), I write down the statistics on leukaemia, I ring my Mum as saying it out loud makes me realise the unlikelihood....

Btw you can email the SANDS helpline people if you don't like being on the phone, they write lovely gentle emails back about your baby, I really have found that helpful.

Sorry for the essay. Thinking of you.

hellhasnofury · 08/11/2011 20:12

I do not know what to say to you because I can think of nothing that doesn't sound trite but I would like to reach out across the www and offer a hug. I cannot begin to comprehend your pain.

Bluetinkerbell · 08/11/2011 20:14

so sorry for your losses! There is not much I can say... just ((hugs)) for one Mummy who misses a baby to another Mummy! x

I lost my second DD in June, after they told us at our 20 week scan she had no heartbeat!

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 08/11/2011 22:41

Thank you everyone.

I've spent more time than is good for me on here today and it has helped a lot, some of it distracting me but especially seeing replies here. It's really good to know that other people understand because when that feeling hit me it felt like such an odd thing to be focusing on all these years later.

I'm so sorry for your losses too.

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JugglingWithGoldandMyrhh · 09/11/2011 11:01

I'm so sorry OP Sad
I just wanted to say about people telling you to "cheer up, It's Christmas" that's so insensitive and immature of them. Please don't feel you have to look cheerful all the time just for other people's benefit.
Any season is whatever you personally make it, and what it means to you.
I'm sure in your family Christmas will always include remembering your two little bables together, as well as in time building some happy memories with your DC's.
You sound so brave and strong. I don't think I could be as strong as you.
I always worry when the DC's are ill, as do most Mums. It's a very natural thing to do, and totally understandable that you would be even more prone to worry.
I hope as you both begin to get over this virus that your worries will subside too.
I think talking things over with a counselor would be a really good thing to do.

Moominsarescary · 10/11/2011 12:33

I'm so sorry to hear your story and the loss of your two baby's .
I lost my son in sept at 20 weeks due to my cervix opening. Hugs for you x

And hugs for everyone else on the thread who have lost their children xx

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 10/11/2011 18:33

Thank you both.

Moomin I am sorry for your loss, hugs to you too. My cervix was part of the problem too and I had a stitch put in during my third pregnancy, can't speak highly enough of it or the doctors who put it in.

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Moominsarescary · 11/11/2011 08:33

My consultant tried the stitch but it failed a few days later as i was too dialated by that point, he was realy good though, none of the other consultents would even try. do you know what stitch they used? I've got to have one early next time x

JugglingWithGoldandMyrhh · 11/11/2011 17:00

Hi Moomin. I'm so sorry Sad

I love Moomins BTW - I expect Moomin Mama will be just getting them all ready to settle in for the winter ATM ! Smile

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 11/11/2011 18:39

Moomin they tried and failed with me too the first time I had it (while losing my daughter) and they did warn me at the time that putting one in at that stage was not guaranteed to be a success. It was j aust one of a number of things they tried to do but by that point it was already too late really. I got an infection to my placenta the day after they tried the stitch and that was when they gave up. They said anything else they did to prevent her birth would just result in us both dying from the infection anyway and the focus changed from saving her to saving me. They knew she wouldn't survive birth but anything else meant they would lose both of us and they gave us no choice about it.

But the one they did with my son was done early, at about 14 weeks, and it was a different story. They said when the cervix is already starting to open it is very different to putting one in before it does. I still needed a week of bed rest after it was put in but having one done early rather than done in an emergency made all the difference in the world to the outcome.

I'm not sure about the spelling but I think they sometimes referred to it as a Schrodker stitch. Mostly though, they just said stitch.

Juggling - I love Moomins too and I'd be quite happy if Moomin Mama arrived to settle us down for the winter too.

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