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Continuum Concept

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johndehaura · 29/06/2010 14:29

Hi all,

Do any (or have any mums or future mum's) here use (or have used) this method to raise their little ones?

If not, do you think it actually makes perfect sense, and why haven't we been raising our little ones in such a natural and obvious way such as this before?

The continuum concept is an idea relating to human development proposed by Jean Liedloff in her book The Continuum Concept. According to Liedloff, in order to achieve optimal physical, mental and emotional development, human beings, especially babies, require the kind of experience to which their species adapted during the long process of their evolution. For infants, these include such experiences as:

The infant being placed immediately in the mother's arms at birth, and from then on carried constantly in arms or otherwise in contact with someone, usually the mother, and allowed to observe (or nurse, or sleep) while the carrier goes about his or her business?until the infant begins creeping, then crawling on his/her own impulse, usually at six to eight months;

? Co-sleeping in the parents' bed, in constant physical contact, until leaving of their own volition (often about two years);

? Breastfeeding "on cue"?nursing in response to the child's body's signals;

? Having caregivers immediately respond to body signals (squirming, crying, etc.), without judgment, displeasure, or invalidation of the child's needs, yet showing no undue concern nor making the child the constant center of attention;

? Sensing (and fulfilling) elders' expectations that he or she is innately social and cooperative and has strong self-preservation instincts, and that he or she is welcome and worthy.

She suggests that when certain evolutionary expectations are not met as infants and toddlers, compensation for these needs will be sought, by alternate means, throughout life?resulting in many forms of mental and social disorders.

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colditz · 29/06/2010 20:43

You're not having a conversation here, you're having a monologue. We are having a discussion. Now you have become irritated that people are speaking back instead of nodding and smiling.

My seven year old does this, and I tell him it's rude.

MyBoysHaveDogsNames · 29/06/2010 20:48

I'm wondering what the OP is hoping to plug most - the book or the food manufacturer?

johndehaura · 29/06/2010 20:59

I would keep such personal opinions to myself. I think it would do a lot of people good in life to just keep their lips closed at times and use a little self-awareness.

Still, if you want a rise then you won't get one from someone like me. I like to make people think soctratically and sometimes you need to create a little spark to attract the usual suspects that one hopes to enlighten.

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colditz · 29/06/2010 22:53

John - there's your flaw ... you can't make people think anything.

Just13moreyearstogo · 29/06/2010 23:09

I read the Continuum Concept when pregnant with DS1 (now 14). I thought it was great and was determined to follow its precepts. I'm little and my baby was big. My back ached from carrying him all the time. I got a pram when he was 4 weeks old and it was BLISS. I carried him when I could but the carrying them till they're six months old thing can only work if you're super strong or you have lots of other people around you can hand them to. We did the co-sleeping but tried not to with DS2 as it definitely put a strain on our marriage to never have the bed to ourselves. As for expecting them to follow you automatically - I tried that and it just didn't work. They were quite happy to go in the opposite direction, presumably secure in the knowledge that I'd run after them! In summary, it's a fascinating read but is very hard to implement fully in our society where most of us don't live along side a group of other women with whom to share chores and childcare.

johndehaura · 29/06/2010 23:15

Good advice and shared knowledge, Just13moreyearstogo, thanks for that.

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cory · 30/06/2010 00:23

perhaps you could share with us some of your own experiences of the continuum concept, johndehaura?

cannot do it myself as damage resulting from birth made me quite incapable of carrying dd for more than short stretches

she'll have to settle for being less than optimal

johndehaura · 30/06/2010 04:32

I'm sorry to hear that, Cory.

I was originally just interested to hear how this theory works for mothers, and I thought I'd try to ask here. I have absolutely no experience what-so-ever - and neither have I proclaimed that I have.

As you can see, there are some good answers and responses, and then again, if you look a little bit harder, you will notice a few other types - their responses seem quite agitated from the very start, as if a new comer had threatened their patch - tying to make something out of nothing. But I have been studying people for a long time now, and questioning their behaviour from within silently.

I'm sure they may have been a little excited by their particular responses. All sorts of chemicals are released in our bodies, and our minds know just how to get them flowing.

I have actually been enlightened by those who actually saw my question being as a genuine interest in this subject, so I could get advice and learn from real mums and possibly dads here.

So a big thanks to those who didn't get all weird, and it's really nice to be here amongst you all.

Hopefully we'll all speak again - in this narrow ascii/pixelated world of communicating.

X

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mistressploppy · 30/06/2010 09:56

Your intentions might be good and the concept interesting but your grandiloquent OP and subsequent posts are getting on our tits nerves

otchayaniye · 30/06/2010 11:37

Johndehaura.

I'm not sure whether you have

Continuum isn't something I particularly subscribe to, simply because our lifestyles in the developed world don't involve long days or agriculture, so kids are just carried everywhere their mothers go and the mothers leave them to get on with it, so there's more learning by seeing, than learning by one-on-one interaction.

Now, attachment parenting now I don't call myself an AP parent as it sounds hideously didactic and turns parenting into a prescribed activity, rather than something more instinctive and flexible and fun! is a little different, but has the same aims at its heart (I think, I've never really sat down and read the books).

I've not been aware of AP until I was doing it but yes, I carried my baby in wraps and slings from birth and still at 20 months do not own a pram. I until recently breastfed on demand and we share a bed. I went back to work 3 days a week when she was 14 months and my husband does the same. She seems happy, but then I can't really say it's down to this. It jsut felt natural to be physically close 24 hours a day.

Be warned. It's intense. I had my daughter abroad with no friends or relatives and the sheer unrelenting carrying/feeding can get you down sometimes. It's not all earth mother bliss when you're waking up to feed 3-4 times a night at nearly 2 years into it. It feels like the mother (even a part-time working one) has to do all the settling and feeding-to-sleep. It can put pressure on a relationship (doesn't always, but it can). But all that said, I wouldn't do it another way with another child.

otchayaniye · 30/06/2010 11:38

"I'm not sure whether you have" done this yourself, or whether you are considering doing this.

I meant to say. Too many sleepless nights!

cory · 30/06/2010 12:52

johndehaura Wed 30-Jun-10 04:32:34

"I was originally just interested to hear how this theory works for mothers, and I thought I'd try to ask here."

Ah, that was the problem. You did not ask how it had worked for us. You lectured us on the benefits and you asked questions that presupposed a positive answer. If you had asked open-ended questions (have you tried this? did it work for you? what were the benefits? what were the drawbacks?) you would have had more interesting answers and a better discussion. As I tell my students, the quality of your results will always be in direct correlation to the quality of your question.

You did manage to make it sound as if you were advertising this concept- not wanting people's opinions or experiences.

If you however want my opinion, then it is that for me the best way to child rear has been to be responsive to my children on our own terms, going with my own instincts, not following a book.

Not all young children like constant cuddling, for instance; some find it difficult to settle unless they are put down and left alone. My dd settled best in my arms, my ds did not. Being constantly carried tired him out and made him whingy. Because he was a totally different baby- and no book can prepare you for that.

Otoh dd was very unhappy in her sling because of being hypotonic, so I couldn't have carried her safely in my arms whilst out and about in our busy urban environment, even if it hadn't been for the small matter of my being stitched up like an old rug. And it probably wouldn't have been very good for her back, given her poor muscles.

I think there is no substitute for getting to know your own child and what makes them tick.

otchayaniye · 30/06/2010 13:23

Sorry, of course Cory speaks sense, and although I'd take it as it comes with another different baby, I wouldn't change my basic approach which is keep em close, don't rush to separate yourself from baby via cot/pram or whatever.

But no, I wouldn't extensively 'babywear' if my baby hated it, just because I thought it was the Right Thing To Do

johndehaura · 30/06/2010 13:27

Cory, you are probably right in some aspects as to what you say about the very original post I made. I came across continuum concept totally by accident whilst researching something completely different. That's search engines for you!

The paragraphs posted are literally copy and pasted. When I first read about this - I thought, yeah, this kind of makes sense. Animals kind of bring up their young in such a way, why shouldn't we go back to basics?

Yes, all very well on paper, as some of you have rightly pointed out and; "Hey mister, don't you be coming on here with stuff we already know. You try raising X amount of children whilst juggling other jobs!"

It was countrified that I should have realised this is a place where there is great experience in great mums raising great little ones.

Communicating via a chat room is very limited on expression, even if we do have our little smileys ;o) - they still aren't enough to ensure we are reading something as it was intended - both emotionally and the original attentive meaning.

We all read - and some of us will perceive, say a novel, in different ways from the authors original intention - or we may interpret things completely differently from the next person, and there is nothing wrong with that. Inferring someones original question or their writing can sometimes be tricky, especially if their writing skills aren't all that great - probably like mine, right?

If you repress the anger it becomes hatred -- hatred is chronically repressed anger. If you simply express your anger you never accumulate enough anger to create hatred.

Just like a small child in one moment he is so angry as if he can destroy the world, and next moment he is laughing he has completely forgotten. He carries no ill-will, no hatred. Anger passes like a breeze.

Now I'm boring myself.

So, with that said, if any of you do want a bit of argy-bargy, someone to take your frustrations out on, and yes, I can dig that -- we all need to to 'let it all out now and again'; and if you want to join in and have a bash at any of my future rants then please do so.

Cheers!

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colditz · 30/06/2010 17:17

I like you.

You're the best newcomer since Xenia.

TheJollyPirate · 01/07/2010 20:36

Ah Xenia - she is fab. I actually love her posts and in some ways she is very right in her thinking even if she is a bit black and white for me sometimes.

Southwestwhippet · 01/07/2010 22:34

OP - I have read the CC book.

If you want to 'truly' follow continuum parenting, you will also be aware that you are not supposed to use nappies or any sort of barrier between your skin and the skin of your baby. Unfortunately this is not practical in our society.

Also, some of the examples Jean used to support her 'concept' have been proved to be inventions. For example, the story of the little toddler playing by the well who she claimed had an inate sense of personal safety and did not fall in. This subsequently has turned out to be a false example invented to support her theory on child development.

That said the CC is a beautiful concept but unfortunately our society is not structured in a way to support its practical implementation. We do not generally live in family groups, meaning any mother attempting to achieve 100% 'in arms' is required to carry the baby herself 100% of the time - something that I would go so far as to say is impossible to achieve. I attempted Continuum parenting with DD but I was unable to do it 100% as my DP works away and I just couldn't manage on my own without occasionally putting DD down - there are some jobs I just couldn't do one handed on my own. I would also say my DD actually wanted to be put down to nap from about 6 or 7 weeks and would only sleep fitfully in my arms whereas in her Moses basket would sleep for 45 mins at a time. I actually cried the first time this happened as I felt I was betraying the CC principles I believed in... but I quickly saw that it suited DD and she was happier and got over my PFB moment

In all honestly, I think the CC is a great theory and gave me (and I assume other parents) the confidence to follow my instincts and co-sleep/use a sling/carry DD as much as possible/ignore endless comments about creating rod for back... but I'm not wholly convinced that as a method it really stands up.

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