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Behaviour at toddler groups.. What's normal? (Warning - I'm probably overthinking [blush])

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starsareshining · 28/04/2010 15:26

I think this may be a long post so I apologise in advance. I have a two year old son who has not had many chances to play with other children. We've visited toddler groups a couple of times but I'm always too worried to go back. At the moment I have a lot of anxiety issues and absolutely no confidence so I really don't feel comfortable and safe with going until I've discussed it first. I just don't know how to react to other people's children... The few times that I have been (it's usually to a surestart group by the way) I've noticed that most moms are watching their children and stopping snatching/hitting etc. But what are you supposed to do when it continues or when their parents aren't watching? I had no experience of children before I had my son and I don't know any other parents so I really don't know what is normal and what isn't.

I just get the feeling that he isn't enjoying himself very much there. He goes to a sunday school group with my parents on Sunday mornings and has a great time. The other children are fairly nice and it's all quite friendly because their parents all know each other anyway. He plays at the shopping centre once a week too but he's with his grandad so I don't really know what goes on there. A couple of the people at the toddler group we've attended seem a bit... rough or unfriendly. I've lived in this area for all of my life so have... experienced (?) some of these people before.
I was bullied throughout my school life so I know that I'm probably just being overprotective and letting my anxious thoughts get out of control. The problem is that my son has no idea of what to do when other children snatch or push him and neither do I! Most of the time the other parent steps in and stops it but sometimes they're not watching. Obviously, I don't want to start telling other people's children off when they're just behaving as children do but I don't know what to do. He just looks very upset and looks to me to do something. I feel almost as though I'm letting him down by saying 'Oh, it's not the end of the world' and moving him onto another toy when he was expecting me to do something about it. A couple of the children have really seemed not too nice and I got the feeling that their parents weren't bothered by their behaviour. My son is very well behaved for a toddler (I'm hoping he'll skip the mad tantrum stage altogether ) so he looks to me to get permission to take toys when we're out. I might have misinterpreted it though. It might be that he's far too 'wussy' (as my mom puts it) to just pick up toys and play. He does seem very aware of things that are going on and has only ever tried to take something a couple of times. I think he understands that other children are playing with the toys and just tells me that he wants it instead of trying to take it. So he seems very surprised when the other kids just take things from him. There was one case of him very nervously approaching a toy which he wasn't sure was being played with and asked if it was ok to take so I encouraged him to get it. Another girl a little older than him had heard all of this and when he finally reached for it she just stuck her hand in front of it so that he couldn't get it. Her dad was standing right next to us and said 'Oh play nice' in a couldn't care less kind of way and unsurprisingly, she didn't take any notice. I really didn't know what to do. I know it seems like such a minor issue and I feel like such an idiot for typing it out. I can see how it sounds! Please don't be too harsh on me.. I'm struggling with things at the moment and probably wrapping him up in cotton wool

The only time I've ever said anything to another child at one of these groups was when her behaviour was actually quite concerning. I don't know who usually goes to the groups so I didn't know whether she regularly visits. She was quite a lot older than the other children, possibly about 5, and I wondered whether she had learnng difficulties or had other problems when I noticed the things she was doing. The problem was that she wasn't being supervised by the woman she was with. The woman wasn't her mom and seemed almost.. too shy to say anything to her about it. A couple of times I saw her notice what the girl was doing but then look away like she didn't want to have to deal with it and felt embarrassed. I didn't see her smile once and she didn't appear to be having fun at all. She just walked around htiting other children and stopping them having fun. At one point she was following my son around and taking away anything he picked up, then teasing him with it by holding it just out of reach. I also saw her trying to trap other children's fingers and hitting another girl in the back so it wouldn't be noticed by her mom. It was really weird. I'm usually unsure about when to step in but she hit my son on the head with the toy she was teasing him with and her adult was taking no notice so I walked over and gently said that it's not nice to snatch things from other children and she must be gentle because he's smaller than her. I suggested that they share the toy and tried to offer another one but she looked absolutely terrified. I felt awful. She didn't speak at all, just stared at me. I really didn't know how to react. She nodded so I guess she understood what I'd said but I was really kind of upset by her reaction. She didn't move or do anything. I felt like I'd terrified her and I was trying to be very nice about it all. Then my overthinking brain kicked in and I was dreading the moment some other mom came over and told me that I'd scared her daughter and everyone looked and I'd never be able to go there again. Ugh. I know I sound insane when I'm writing all of this out but I can't control my mind at times. These feel like huge issues to me and I know that they're probably not. I dont even know whether that girl would be there again. But I couldn't stop asking myself whether I'd done the right thing. I felt like a monster! A little while later she pushed over a toy that a few of the kids were sitting on so they all fell and banged their faces. She also tried to hit a baby and then lay down on a baby mat herself and just stared at the baby's mom. Afterwards, I was playing a game with a little girl in the ballpit where she was throwing balls and I was trying to catch them. This 5 year old girl got in and played too but she seemed like she was trying to hurt me more than play with me. She was throwing the balls very hard and directly at my face. I couldn't read her face at all because she showed no expression. It was actually quite disturbing (for a worrier like me). I know that I wasn't the only mom there who was a bit concerned by her behaviour but they all seem so confident and seem like they know what they're doing. I almost feel as though everytime I walk into one of those places I regress back to childhood instead of being strong for my son. I've talked this over with my partner and he assures me that I'm being mad (as he often does) but I really don't think I can face going back there until somebody's virtually slapped me across the face and then explained exactly what happens in these awkward situations.

I'm sorry that there's such a lot of text and so little content! I hope I don't sound like too much of an idiot. I really don't want to be an overly protective parent but I think it's happening anyway

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chuckeyegg · 28/04/2010 17:55

Hello there.

I have been to lots of toddler groups and there are some good and some bad. Why don't you go and check out some other groups you may find them more to your liking. Some groups are more structured with story time and singing time rather than free play, that may suit you better.

I personally never really cared for toddler groups a huge amount and prefered to go to friends or have them to play. My son is and always will be an only child and prefers small groups.

I'm sure your son is not a Wussy he will become more sure of himself as he gets older, my son use to let other children take everything but he's not like that now.

Good luck. xx

SweetnessAndShite · 28/04/2010 18:03

I really get a lot from Toddler Groups and find that the best way to deal with it if another child is misbehaving and their carer isn't acting is to simply pick up your child and take them to a different activity. It may be a bit like backing down but it's non confrontational and will keep your own child safe and happy which is the most important thing

CoupleofKooks · 28/04/2010 18:12

personally if a parent is not dealing with aggressive / challenging behaviour then i do so myself
i just speak gently but firmly to the child and say something like "don't hit, hitting hurts"
if i don't know the child i don't know whether they have any behvioural issues / special needs, but i don't shout or get nasty, and if the parent only wants the child disciplined in a certain way, then they should be right there next to them at all times, or at least aware enough of what's going on that they can step in when necessary, rather than me doing it

i feel that children behaving in a difficult way should not be left to their own devices, a) because they don't always get a chance to learn that their behaviour is not liked and b) it is not fair on the other children there
if someone is mean to my child i want them to get the message that this was not ok, and that i will help them out if they are in trouble

Ripeberry · 28/04/2010 18:13

Don't worry there are lots of kids like that. They do it to get attention (usually bad) and the only way they can get it is by getting someone else upset
Softplays are like this and I've dealt with quite a few.
I'm one of those people who does not like seing kids going around hitting others for no reason and I will usually tell that child off.
Half the time they look shocked that someone actually told them off! and the other half say "I'm going to get my Mum/Dad and they will kill you" , this was said by a 6yr old boy that had been punching and kicking my 4yr old girl.
He went off, but no parent turned up, but I was a bit worried though and ready to make a run for it.
But the overiding problem is that these kids are NOT suppervised.

mummytime · 28/04/2010 18:15

I would suggest you try another toddler group, maybe a church based one? Also do talk to parents at your church, maybe even suggest they run a parenting group. It may all help to build your confidence.

monkeyfacegrace · 28/04/2010 18:19

Stars you sound like you are worrying like I do. My DD (3.5) is the same, lets others push her around and cannot stand up for herself. Its heartbreaking and confusing isnt it! I avoid 'formal' toddler groups and tend to stick to soft play centres, and that way, we can run off and play if a child gets too boisterous, but at the same time, she has often befriended a child and they play happily. Whereabouts in the country are you?

mumbar · 28/04/2010 18:36

I am a natural worrier too. My DS was the same - even to the extent when a child bit him at nursery he just went and played with something else!!! Now at school he has some back bone and will stand up for himself so I'm sure your DS will too.

It is hard to know whether its ok to tell someone elses child off. But simply saying oh we mustn't hit and encouraging sharing is not punishing a child it's teaching them so I shouldn't worry.

Perhaps stick the group out - if you feel able- and after a few weeks you'll have built in confidence and know the other parents better and you'll probably feel more confident.

Best of luck - your son sounds like a dream.

Jamieandhismagictorch · 28/04/2010 18:58

Good kids snatch, push, and even bite - I know -DS2 was one, at around 2. But I do sympathise, because DS1 tended to be on the receiving end at toddler groups.

To address your concerns, I'd say it's fine to correct other people's children if the parent hasn't seen - just be firm-but-gentle. For instance - if a child has snatched something from your DS, say "X was playing with that - you have this one" - and hold your hand our for it, offering another toy. If you assert your authority, you may well get the thing back. If it doesn't work, don't labour the point, and distract your DS. It is a hard fact of parenting to see that other parents don't seem as obsessed by fairness and decorum as some of us are ...

Likewise, fine to say "Don't push, it hurts"

I agree with what CoupleofKooks says - it's good for your your Ds to see you standing up for him.

BUT please try not to worry - and put your own issues on to your DS . He will change in time and may well learn to assert himself more

sunshiney · 28/04/2010 22:12

You need to stand up for your child. How else is he going to learn?

Step up and tell a bullying child to stop what they are doing.

If a child is simply asked to please stop (for eg) hitting my son, what possible cause could their parent have to be aggrieved with you.

skidoodly · 28/04/2010 22:37

"You need to stand up for your child. How else is he going to learn?"

how else is he going to learn what? that his mother will fight his battles for him?

As a parent at toddler group you are there to supervise your child, not to stick up for him.

These children are toddlers - there are no bad kids and good kids, just different children. The adults are there to help them play together because toddlers are not very good at that and that is really what they are there to learn.

There's no need to get too involved in who has snatched what toy - they will figure that out for themselves.

I think Jamie is right that a lot of it comes down to the assembled adults encouraging fairness and distracting from strife.

An older child deliberately picking on and taunting a toddler is something I would probably speak to one of the organisers about. That is not at all OK.

CoupleofKooks · 28/04/2010 22:48

2 year olds need help, guidance and support with dealing with these kind of situations
supervising doesn't mean just watching to make sure no-one gets killed

melonian · 29/04/2010 09:38

Just wanted to say that I think you handled the situation with the girl really well. It's always awkward when trying to deal with other people's children. There will often be behviour towards your children that you don't like, and it is hard to be laid-back and rational about it when your protective instincts kick in.

You do sound really anxious and lacking in confidence though, and you shouldn't because you sound like a great mum. I just wondered if you had looked for help with your anxiety issues as it sounds like they are impacting on your and your DS's social life? Maybe your GP could suggest some CBT or something if you feel you'd like to address it? Just a thought, sorry if it's off the mark.

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