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Advice on 3.5 yr old behaviour please...

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robin3 · 22/03/2010 09:56

I have a 6 yr old boy and a 3.5 yr old boy. My 6 yr old has settled down in to being well behaved and happy at school but is a classic oldest type boy. My 3.5 yr old is driving me mad at the moment and is a completely different kind of child to my eldest so I wanted a sanity check please...

My 3.5 yr old has always been a bit over the top....full of life, always playing the fool, swaps words for others that rhyme, dances and leaps around, says rude words a lot (my eldest never did that), is very articulate, very bossy, very certain about what he wants to wear, needs to be caught to dress him (although counting to 3 does often work) but then he'll run off again laughing before the next item goes on, still wets himself a fair bit and has to be nagged on to the potty, will pass a toy table and just throw something at it as he flies past, can't be trusted in a carpark, leaps in to the front of the car and will press the buttons....you get the picture...he's a monkey.

He's pretty good at nursery and goes 5 mornings a week as he starts school in Sept. The old nursery teacher really really loved him and used to say that he was a natural leader, all the children and adults love him, he knows everyones names etc...now in the older group I sense that the teacher struggles more with him for all the same reasons we do but actually she says he's high-spirited and he has only once hurt another child.

My DP looks after the children most of the week after school/nursery so at the weekends I spend all of my time with the boys and I find it impossible to cope with my youngest without getting angry with him. Even the small stuff after a day of it drives me mad and I end up shouting and being really grumpy with him...so as an example he gets out of the bath and insists on standing on the edge and then deliberately leaps at me to get me wet then runs around naked (slipping and sliding) laughing even though I will have asked him to help me. At the end of day of him shouting at me, bossing me around, throwing things, refusing to stay put, saying rude things etc I struggle to hold it together and often return to work on Monday exhausted and angry with myself. He will sit still on my knee for a story, or to practice his sounds for nursery and he will play with his toys for 20 mins on his own for periods even if it is aggressively breaking up toys!

So (sorry this is long) but do I dial it up or dial it down? Rigorous application of the naughty step (which he wont stay on) or lighten up and go with his vivacious personality. Any tips welcome.

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topsi · 22/03/2010 12:12

He sounds very like my DS (3.3) who I find exhausting. He says rude words, climbs on everything, jumps on all the furnature and anyone who happens to be sitting there. He never wsnts to do what he is asked.
However he is extremely sociable and bright, very cheerful in between tantrums.
I have no answers, sorry. I find him so exhusting that I don't think we will be having any more children. I am looking forward to when he starts school to be honest. The only thought that keeps me going is that I can see him being a fantastic adult with all that energy etc.
Don't know if that was any help.

robin3 · 23/03/2010 16:28

Yes that helps because I too can say his general temperament is a joy....just hard parenting a child who believes everything is one big laugh and seems to choose to repeat the same mistakes again and again. Just wondered if anyone had any brilliant parenting techniques for children like ours?

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topsi · 23/03/2010 19:52

My DS seems to behave better with other people, such as, when he gets to my Mum's house he sits down and takes his shoes off and leaves them neatly side by side on the step.
I think it's me I don't know how to handle him.

fothergill · 23/03/2010 21:36

Oh man, I just wiped my post. I took my time thinking it all through as I was typing so gutted. But feel need to post, so here is a synopsis (sorry!)

  1. I could have written that word for word which at least bolsters me from feeling completely rubbish
  2. 4 year old dd1 moral, kind, creative, delightful articulate intelligent and has done my head in with willfulness/blanking me
  3. guilt guilt guilt my guilt
  4. think dog politics with peers brought home from nursery and general testing boundries rather than cod adhd diagnosis
  5. reward charts? Useless. timeframe scuppering itself
  6. no tv for a week (hastily threatened and initially enforced with heavy heavy heart)seemed weirdly beneficial (more focus/structure perhaps?) but poss just me feeling smug at not needing to deploy it in that week. Have been too tired with sick dd2(again) to try experiment again but suspect tv false economy with dd. compelled to stress daily viewing is not excessive.

Sorry for weird post but said dd2 lying next to me with fever and tapping bothering her. My time is up. Just to say I feel exactly the same and at a loss to find balance between total lack of respect v draconian parenting. OR find a way to step back from intense irritation I am feeling lately with her not working with me.

Oh and topsi, dd2 a poppet, way more calm. Stared down that roulette barrel and won with her. Just added more guilt as don't need to shout at her. (have discussed this with dd1 to head off victim status/feeling left out might I add.)

Sakura · 24/03/2010 05:59

A DD is 3.6 and is the same. At first I though it had something to do with birth order, then I though it was something about her being a girl, but clearly not! She is so strong-willed and I want to encourage her independance and sense of self but at the same time its so frustrating at times.
My two plans are A) try to get her to sleep more. She recently dropped her afternoon nap and that has made her worse TBH. So I've read that more sleep helps to chill a child out more, make them more mellow and less hyper. I think there is some truth in that.
Plan B is to try to chill out a bit more myself! I am not the most patient person in the world and thats not her fault!
Plan C is to just wait it out! I know she's not going to be acting like this when she's 18 so at some point things have to get better don't they!

Sakura · 24/03/2010 06:03

Forgot to add the postitives: in my biased opinion my daughter is bright. They say bright children do tend to talk non-stop and you could say the willfullness is merely an "artist's temperament" (or am I just talking bollocks here!)

olivo · 24/03/2010 09:03

I could have written all of these posts. we are struggling with DD1 3.7 at the moment; major tantrums, brattish behaviour, waking us all at night but too chatty, bright, sensitive and funny the rest of the time. she is lovely at nursery

i too banned the TV in a moment of fedupness last night,so we will see what happens. having spoken to a few freinds, this is a common behaviour pattern at this sort of age.

this too shall pass, this too shall pass.....

robin3 · 24/03/2010 10:10

Well glad we're not alone. The other funny/worrying thing about children like these is that they mirror you exactly. DS1 did a bit but not exactly whereas DS2 will literally say 'Daddy I'm going to ask you again to let me have that seat and if you don't then you won't be able to have any breakfast...I'm starting to count...1, 2....' Sometimes this breaks the tension in a confrontation because you can't help but laugh.

Yes our DS is also much better behaved at his grandparents, nursery and at his friends houses but I think that may be down to the fact that when he goes to those places he's the centre of the action. We are still worried about him starting school in September though.

Been reading the Supernanny tips online written by Victoria Samuel and it makes a lot of sense although of course a whole day of being challenged is when I get worn down....here is the theory...

Introduction
Shouting at your older child whenever she misbehaves could just make her angry and resentful. Solving the issue together teaches her key skills and keeps her on your side. By Dr Victoria Samuel
The Parent Support Service
Supernanny Expert
30/03/2009

Positive discipline takes a different tact as your children get older and more able to understand the consequences of their actions. Problem solving issues together with your child helps her learn to express herself and negotiate what she wants without sulking or shouting.

Start solving discipline problems with your child

Sit down with your child when things are calm (not in the heat of the moment) and use a five step approach:

Show concern and empathy by acknowledging your little one?s concerns using a non-accusing tone. E.g. ?Tom, I?ve noticed that there?s something about teeth brushing you find really difficult? or ?getting up for school in the morning seems a real struggle?

Define the problem: i.e. explain briefly, and without lecturing, why the behaviour needs to change: ?brushing teeth stops them rotting? ?getting up on time makes the morning calmer and gives you time to have breakfast?. Use the ?when, then? technique to teach your child the impact of their behaviour on other people. E.g. ?when you call people names, then they get sad and feel hurt? ?when you say sorry, I feel ready to have fun again?.

Ask for ideas: "let's think about what might make this easier" "what do you think would help?"
Listen to your child?s ideas, respect their feelings and praise practical solutions. Agree on a mutually acceptable, feasible solution.
E.g. ?You don?t like brushing your teeth because you find the toothpaste tastes horrible, so we agreed that I?ll buy a different make and see if that helps?. ?You don?t like me coming into your room in the morning because your tired & don?t feel like talking, so instead, you?re going to set an alarm clock and I?m going to leave you to get up without nagging you?.

Review: suggest you both sit down together after a week or so of the new routine. Wait till then to talk about it if it isn't working out. Make sure you acknowledge when she gets it right (e.g. "you let me have a whole telephone conversation without interrupting, thanks Chris that was really helpful"), and use some kind of reward chart to keep a track of her successes.

The other funny/worrying thing about children like these is that they mirror you exactly. DS1 did a bit but not exactly whereas DS2 will literally say 'Daddy I'm going to ask you again to let me have that seat and if you don't then you won't be able to have any breakfast...I'm starting to count...1, 2....' Sometimes this breaks the tension in a confrontation because you can't help but laugh.

Yes our DS is also much better behaved at his grandparents, nursery and at his friends houses but I think that may be down to the fact that when he goes to those places he's the centre of the action.

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Sakura · 24/03/2010 23:16

thanks robin, that was useful!

gaelicsheep · 24/03/2010 23:23

I've nothing to add other than your DS sounds exactly like my DS and I'm so glad I'm not alone! He is brilliant with other people (and with us a lot of the time) so I tend to think we must be doing something right amidst the chaos (I hope so anyway!)

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