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exasperated and at wits end with ds (nearly 11) *long...Sorry!!*

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AnAngelWithin · 31/01/2010 11:49

I really don't know what to do. I know a lot of you will probably say its normal behaviour, but seriously, I can't cope with him anymore. He can be so nasty to his siblings. He has started throwing things at me in temper, i swear he hates me, won't do a single thing I ask him, and makes such a big deal about everything. He lies about things, including having done his homework (though I have started checking up on him with this recently which he hates!) He physically hurts his siblings, games always have to be how HE wants them to be otherwise he turns nasty (needless to say the other dcs have had enough of this!) If they are in the way when he is having a strop, they get shoved or hit, even right in front of me and DH, then he tries to make out he didn't do anything! When we saw him right in front of our faces do it! He has been getting worse the past year as time has gone on. He does all this to his siblings, yet he seems incapable of doing anything alone. He won't even go upstairs and brush his teeth unless there is someone else up there!

We had a thing a few weeks ago with him a few weeks ago where he was coming home, with all his fruit still in his lunchbox. We gave him chance to eat it, he didn't take it, so we started taking the 'treat item' out of the box instead. The fruit started being eaten according to him. Looked in his bag yesterday because I could smell something horrid....yep...you guessed it.... at least 10 pieces of rotten fruit in his bag, squashed in with his PE kit he told me he had already put in the wash, all over homework etc. I ended up just tipping it all out over the kitchen floor and made him sort it out. The smell was making me heave.

He has eczema on his hands really bad. He refuses to put the cream on to help it. I don't know what I am supposed to do, he sits there saying they look digusting, yet he won't do anything about it. I have even tried telling him unless he starts putting the cream on, I will have to take him to the doctors every day to make them do it for him. I can't physically do it for him as he won't let me, plus I am not sure I should handle the cream being pregnant.

We have recently in the past few weeks, started letting him have a bit more freedom and responsibility, thinking maybe that would help. He wanted to go to football club after school on a wednesday so we have started letting him walk home from there on his own (only about a 10 minute walk with proper crossings over the road) He really enjoys it, but god help me when we have to remind him at the weekend that his boots STILL need cleaning. We give him chance and time to do it of his own accord, but come the weekend, we have to tell him over and over to do it. He goes to a martial arts club on a monday evening doing judo (been doing that for about 4 years now and he is pretty good at it now, we take him to compeitions and everything) I go out of my way to get him there, its quite a way away, I am pregnant with dc5 (due in 16 weeks) and I don't drive, have to take all the other kids with me, and DH is at college that evening doing a degree. He goes to a friends house sometimes. So it's not like we don't let him do anything. We have tried stopping him going to these things when we feel his behaviour has been too much, but it doesn't make any difference.

Yet as well, he doesn't want to go on the school trip planned for november for 3 days that means he will have to stay away from home!!! I don't understand him i really don't. What are we doing wrong? Me and DH always show a united front with discipline etc, we always have. But even DH has had enough. He said yesterday that he couldn't even tell ds just to calm down playing too rough without getting a gobfull back and being yelled at. Even though DH didn't even raise his voice, just calmly asked him!

There are so many other things I could go on about, but I think I have gone on enough at the moment! Sorry!!!

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MissWooWoo · 03/02/2010 13:55

sorry have only read the OP so apols if this has already been said:

sounds like he is being bullied (maybe his hands)?

is it possible that the fruit makes his eczema worse?

is he the oldest? does he feel "put upon" in terms of being grown up and responsible/setting examples

do you get to spend quality time just with him?

MissWooWoo · 03/02/2010 14:02

oh! ignore me - just read the rest of your posts

shockers · 03/02/2010 14:12

I remember stealing (often) from my parents at about his age. When they caught me I was expecting a real rollocking but instead they sat down with me and asked how much pocket money I thought would be fair. They spoke to as though my opinion really mattered and I still remember the shock and pleasant surprise.
I was a real pain in the rear and sometimes our house resembled a war zone but this memory sticks out as them absolutely getting it right.
They were so respectful with me, I would never have stolen from them again.
I would be inclined to pick one battle at a time... the whole range of stuff you mentioned is too big to tackle in one go.
Good luck with it all.

Pitchounette · 03/02/2010 14:20

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Jamieandhismagictorch · 03/02/2010 15:02

FWIW - none of us need to be "massively disturbed" to be a bit stuck and need some outside help

Jamieandhismagictorch · 03/02/2010 15:08

Also, I know it's hard because he is so negative at the moment, but don't forget to give him lots of praise when he is pleasant and helpful (even for little things you wouldn't normally comment on).

nickschick · 03/02/2010 15:17

I think lots of 11 year olds have this 'bigger than it' feeling,he will soon be off to secondary school,hes being encouraged to work towards SATS, his place in the family is changing ,he wants extra freedom but yet doesnt iywim,the football and then the going upstairs are examples.

The rules about fruit and treats really a cry for help bcos he could have chucked the fruit away in school.

He hurts you bcos you are his constant -you will always love him and he can always rely on you,and you are pregnant so perhaps its hurting you more than normal.

Hes realising this ocd trait isnt 'normal' its probably quite scarey to be 11 and have obsessions that you know are a bit silly but that you simply cant stop.

I have 2 teens and it is a tricky inbetweeny stage - but thats all it is it wont be like this forever as soon as the summer comes and the dc are playing out all that energy gets directed somewhere else.

I would advise not to stop his football purely bcos thats getting rid of a lot of his pent up frustrations and especially if you and dh have differing views- he needs a solid support not ones he can play off against you.

BITCAT · 04/02/2010 09:21

I think they are stuck between not being a child but not adults and its very difficult..well it is for me..to decide how much freedom to give them at that age. I dont want him to feel like i did completely controlled. I know he is very capable of most things..and is fantastic with his younger sister whose 4yo..she always wants him..gets upset if she doesnt get a cuddle and kiss before he goes into school..wakes up at night with nightmares and shouts for him..they are very close and he is very protective of her..i really hope that the closeness between them doesnt disappear as he gets older.

Hullygully · 04/02/2010 09:35

I was the eldest of four and found it very frustrating, although I couldn't have articulated it as such then. There was never enough time/space for close and calm communication, my mother was always busy, unsurprisingly, and my father was at work/in the pub. I was expected to get on with things like homework without help, even though I needed help, not because they were horrible, but busy. I could have done with a lot more one to one and time and felt nothing about my sibs other than that they were a pain. I was horrible to them.

So I wonder if you could take your ds out just the two of you and do something so he still gets to have your time and attention. Not just in the home having a chat, but a proper afternoon out. If there were early bonding difficulties as well, he may need some close attention and love. And I don't think stopping activities as a sanction is ever a good idea. It would be better to focus on his unhappiness than his "naughtiness."

BITCAT · 04/02/2010 09:44

Hullygully i was the eldest of 7..6 girls and 1 boy. I took on a lot of responsibility, looking after my sisters and brother picking them up from school..before i was 13 i knew what to do with a baby..i could bath, feed, change nappies..even the old style terry type with the pin..when i had my 1st..the midwife asked if i needed showing how to bath etc..i politely said no im the eldest of 7 kids and i also worked with children and babies until i had my own. Although some it i enjoyed, i also felt i missed out on stuff my friends were doing as my mum always had me babysitting..although she never asked i was always told..didnt matter that i had plans with my friends. Hence ive learnt from that and would not expect any of that from my children.

Ivykaty44 · 04/02/2010 09:45

if he doesn't clean his boots - who does it efect? him - so don't nag dont keep on about it as it is only you that is getting wound up.

fruit - my two can take it all leave it - they do eat loads of veg though, so trying giving fruit at home and veg with eve meal

forget about it for pack up at school, there is not eenough time apart from anything as he will be wanting to be out side playing with his mates - don't worry , give him a snadwich and something and a drink.

better than wasting all the fruit in his bag and making you heave

he will not get ill if he doesn't eat fruit at lunch time

hullygully is right - he wants attention, you are having another baby and he is going to need some reasurance.

AnAngelWithin · 14/03/2010 14:54

just thought I would update.

The handwashings got better, the rotting fruit things stopped, he isn't eating it but at least he is bringing it home in his box.

BUT his general behaviour is getting worse!! I actually stopped him going to football training last week as his behaviour had been so bad. I think it shocked him as I haven't actally stopped him doing anything before. Last weekend DH was going to take him and ds2 to the motocross, but again, ds1 was totally awful and lied about doing his homework, so they didn't go. If i tell him off now, all i get is a smirk and him laughing at me. Its just a big joke to him now. He refuses to help with things. If i ask him to do anything its 'yeah i'll sort it' but thats as far as it gets.

DH took him to the football yesterday. Just him. And yet today he is behaving like a complete ungrateful wretch. I was going to take them all to the park, DH is working, but now, because of him and his horrid behaviour, I just can't be bothered. He's been hitting people, stamping on their toys, just horrid. It's a vicious cycle, cos now the others are getting cabin fever.

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Fleegle · 14/03/2010 15:27

There has been some good advice on here but I think it is time for you to seek some outside help.

Have you spoken to school lately to see how things are there?

I can see that it must be so difficult for you with the prgnancy and everything else going on, but, I think your boy sounds anxious and very unhappy.

Would see GP about CAMHS referral. Sometimes, as other posters have said, an ouside perspective is so helpful. I can see that you may be apprehensive, but this is not about blaming you or him, but finding some strategies to cope.

cornsilk · 14/03/2010 15:34

Angel I agree with fleegle about the CAMHS referral. The waiting list is usally very long so it's baest tomove sooner rather than later. You can always pull out if you change your mind. Is he year 6?
Have you tried putting cream on his hands while he sleeps?

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