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stubborn 3 year old. At the end of my tether

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HA78 · 07/01/2010 11:43

My 3.4 year old dd has always been very stubborn and headstrong. We didn't have many problems getting through the 'terrible twos' and she has always responded quite well to reason. However, in the last few weeks her behaviour has gotten out of hand. I have always had problems getting her to sit in time out. She thinks it is a game, and will run back and forward for up to 90 minutes at a time, before eventually giving in and sitting down. I have always tried to avoid getting to the stage where she needs to go to time out by distraction etc which up till now has worked pretty well.

DS was born on 1st December, and dd was very excited about this. Her behaviour at nursery was pretty bad until he arrived, and she took to him like a duck to water. She is always kissing and hugging him and telling him she loves him. DH and I have made a conscious effort to spend more time with her since DS arrived, so that he barely gets any attention at all. DH was off over Christmas and New year so she has had a lot of 1 on 2 time with us, and got a bike for christmas which is what she really wanted.

But in the last 2 weeks, she has turned into the devil child. She runs amok, tells us she wants to be naughty and go to time out, and has started coming out of bed at night. For the last 4 nights I have either spent the entire evening putting her back to time out, or back to bed. Last night was the worst. She came back from nursery and watched some TV while I prepared the tea, we told her to put the tv off (often a battle ground), and she did this calmly and came to the table. She messed around with her food (which she has been doing for the last 2 years, just to get a reaction), then started saying 'I'm going to be naughty'. She hit us repeatedly, ran around giggling manically and stripped off. I calmly kept returning her to the naughty spot and she gave in 90 mins later. Meantime she missed her bath with her brother, and I just dressed her for bed and told her she had missed her stories too because she was messing around. She apologised and we discussed how her behaviour was silly and how she was missing out. 20 mins later she was out of bed, threw a complete tantrum that lasted until nearly 10pm, with us calmly returning her to bed regularly. At 1 point I just held her to try to calm her down, which worked, but she started screaming again when I put her in bed. We ignore her, try not to make eye contact or speak to her when she is doing this, but it doesn't seem to sink in.

This morning she refused to get up for nursery, and I had to force her into her clothes. I lost the plot and shouted at her, and she had to be bundled into the car. Any tips or advice on what to do next. I've got PND and am on AD's just now, and I know that she has picked up on it, but I treat her the same and try to tire her out each day she is home with me, with a walk and trip to see her friends if at all possible. When she is lovely she is my best friend, but she changes just like a switch when she decides to be bad. I do offer her choices and we don't rule the house with an iron rod, but I'm beginning to think that I should. Please help.

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detoxdiva · 07/01/2010 11:57

HA78 - I didn't want your post to go unanswered as I really feel for you in your situation. My dd is nearly 4 and she too has a new baby brother who was born in September. I have had similar problems to the ones you describe - although not to the same extent - just general attitude when I ask her to do something, or defiance and talking back to me.

Could it be a reaction to your dh returning to work? She has had undivided attention over Christmas and now she has to get used to sharing you?

I will be watching this thread for advice - I hope things get better for you soon.

benandoli · 07/01/2010 12:01

I have three children 7, 4 and 14 months. When DS2 was born we were worried that DS1 would feel pushed out and so gave him loads of time and attention. We have paid the price since! He I think came to feel that he was more important than DS2 and can be very controlling. Try to involve her with the baby but don't make her feel that she always comes first ( the mistake we made). When we had dd1 the boys were lovely with her and we have not had the same problems, you live and learn!

detoxdiva · 07/01/2010 12:03

Sorry, I should have said, that we have found that giving 2 very clear choices to dd sometimes helps. E.g, when getting dressed ask her if she wants to wear 'this skirt' or 'these jeans'? Then ask her which top does she think will go best with them.

As for the food issue - I would just ignore - give her an opportunity to eat (do you eat together as this also helps dd is she is not eating alone) and then ask her if she is going to eat her tea. If the answer is no, then just remove the food and say she can leave the table now. No more food to be offered. Sounds harsh, but dd soon learned that if she wasn't going to get a yogurt and banana 10 minutes later she would eat up

HA78 · 07/01/2010 13:15

benadoli- you might have a point about her thinking she is the most important person in the house. She has always been stubborn and had an answer for everything but it's out of hand now.

detoxdiva - getting her back into routine is very important now that dh is back at work and hopefully will help, but she probably is missing him. We always eat together, she is told to take it or leave it and no pudding if she doesn't eat but she can't leave the table until we have finished eating. We try not to make a fuss but dh always gets on at her. I have lost count of the number of yoghurts that have gone off and ended up in the bin and she often eats next to nothing but doesn't seem bothered. I know she is playing up just for attention, she eats everything at nursery.

I should say that we have tried a ban on tv (which was how we ended up spending more time entertaining her over christmas - she is rubbish at playing on her own. We've confiscated toys, banned sweets and even banned the precious bike, but when she is in a mood she just says 'here, take my toys, I don't want them'. I feel like she is running the house, i'm tired because i can't get to bed early now and i'm getting really cranky. /She's obviously v tired and cranky too now.

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penneth · 07/01/2010 15:27

Have you tried a reward chart for good behavour. Pick something that she would really like, In my errant daughters case at 3 years old it was an icecream in a cone.

I did not have penalties for bad behaviour but everytime she ate her dinner or put on her shoes etc she got a big smiley face on the chart. she could see her progress. initially just a few smileys got the treat .. I think I started with 5, so that she did not lose interest.

It worked a treat. I don't do it all the time just occasionally so that it doesn't get old. My daughter is now 5 and the last reward she worked for was 20 smileys for a Russian doll. I had her tidying her room, dressing herself and now instead of eating her dinner she gets a smiley for trying a new food.

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