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Manipulative 4yo DS1

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noonbear · 16/03/2009 19:51

I have posted before about DS1?s lack of ability to amuse or entertain himself. Recently things have got better and worse! If I am strong and pretty strict I can get him to play by or amuse by himself for say 20 or 30 minutes but he has really started to crank up the emotional pressure. I realise it?s a combination of his behaviour and my lack of ability to deal with it but I am really struggling to cope. He constantly wines about when I am going to play with him, how I haven?t played with him at all today etc (which I NEVER true). Take today for example. This morning I had to go into town and run a few errands (after an hour of playing) so I made it as much fun as possible and it was ok and he was really good, we came home and DH played in the garden with DS1 with DS2 (15mth) pottering about in the background. After lunch DS2 went to bed and DH and I wanted to talk about the garden etc so told DS1 to have a play for 30 mins but he just hovered over us, lolled on me and generally was a pain. I then played in the garden until DS1 woke up and I took them both for a hike exploring. All the while we are out he is grilling me on what we are going to play when we get home, as we neared home he said ?I know, lets race; if I am first home you will play with me? ! Even though I had about 45 mins of non child based activity today DS is adamant that I haven?t played with him. The fact that to stop the whining I have to involve him in everything I do obviously doesn?t count in his book.
The other day he was watching telly and after seeing an advert he piped up ?playing together it what makes life fun Mummy, so that is why you have to play with me, because that otherwise it won?t be fun? I just can?t cope with the constant emotional button pushing, he makes me feel that in order to be a good mum I have to play with him 24/7.
When we go out with friends and family he happily plays with the other children and that is my relief so I back right off and only get involved if needs be (I don?t ignore him though!) but I am so aware that other parents remain involved and still get involved in the play and I am sure they are thinking what a c*ap mum I am for backing off but their kids amuse themselves at home to they get pleasure out of being involved when they want to be unlike me who if forced into it.
Sorry this is long and rambling (it's been a long day) but I really don?t know how to turn his behaviour around and am at my wits end.

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noonbear · 16/03/2009 20:22

just wanted to say that i don't think DS1 feels insure. He get loads and loads of kisses, cuddles and I love you's every day. He is confident, outgoing and bright.

Thanks

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Quattrocento · 16/03/2009 20:24

This is what nurseries are for - respite care for parents

noonbear · 16/03/2009 20:32

he goes two full days a week when I am working but i am unable to get him into the pre-school attached to the school he will start in september as they say he must attend 5 sessions a week which i can't do due to work hours etc..

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jazzandh · 16/03/2009 20:44

You poor hing sounds exhausting. To be honest I don't have much advice other than you sound like a fully involved Mum to me rather than a crap Mum! I have just the one Ds who is 4.

I rarely play with him and rarely ever have. We go out and do things, like the park etc, and at home he can be as involved as he likes when I cook, garden etc. I will sit and snuggle up when he watches TV sometimes.

However what has captured his attention recently beyond belief is lego! I have shown him how to follow the instructions and he plays with the stuff for hours......

They do have to learn - you are Mum not actually a playmate really. Thimgs will get better when he is at school in September, just hang in there!

Bunch · 16/03/2009 20:51

Another Lego fan here! Tray of bricks, happy for hours!

theDreadPiratePerArdua · 16/03/2009 21:15

Do you say 'right, now playtime' to him? He sounds a lot like my DS - he'll be pratting about in the bath for 20 minutes, then say he hasn't played yet when it's time to wash and get out...

Does your day allow 30 mins in the morning for dedicated DS-led play? Maybe if it's labelled as such you'll at least be able to tell him he's had his play, now it's time to do something else (for you at least)? Then repeat in the afternoon if necessary? Maybe when DS2 is napping? And if you've started off with him, doing what he wants to do, he might continue after you've gone to do something else.

Kitchen timers are also useful tools - either to count down to when you'll be ready to play, or to say - 'oh look - until the bell rings I'm all yours!'

It does get better though - promise!

CarGirl · 16/03/2009 21:19

I just want to add it would drive me demented. DD1 never played by herself or ever really played with toys but was happy provided she was involved in what an adult was doing.

Could you get a CM to look after him 2 afternoons per week and put him into the pre-school?

Think I would borrow lots of children for playdates just to get some space tbh.

noonbear · 16/03/2009 21:21

Yep he has lego which holds his interest for a little while and he loves his ELC Dungeon of Doom with associated monsters . I just struggle with the constant comments about playing with him. He has obviously learned what to say to get my attention and my anxiety levels are through the roof. I just don't have the confidence of belief in myself and i just don't know how to handle this. That said only today did I remind him that i am that a mummy is not a playmate, i am there to care for him, protect him, feed him and love him etc...

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noonbear · 16/03/2009 21:25

Yes I make sure that there is at least two 30-45 min sessions a day where he leads the play.

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Desiderata · 16/03/2009 21:25

This is going to sound shite, but noony, I really struggled to read your OP because of the lack of paragraphs.

It't really difficult to read, so bite-sized pieces are always good!

Anyhow, all four year old boys are a pain in the arse. They get a huge testosterone level at this precise age ... the next one comes at thirteen, and lasts for a couple of years.

After that, it's plain sailing!

PPlay with him sometimes, and reason with him at others.

Make him understand that grown-ups can't play for very long. Be consistent, and firm.

CarGirl · 16/03/2009 21:27

I can honestly say my girls are lucky if I play with them twice per week but I guess they have each other???

Please stop feeling guilty you are a good Mum and 2 x 30 minutes play is plenty from you. I really would invite playdates around perhaps he's a child who does not particularly enjoy his own company.

noonbear · 16/03/2009 21:32

Yeah thanks Desiderata that does sound abit shite! I have had a pants day and am feeling a bit brain dead so was aware that it probably wouldn't make much sense. I typed it up in word and then pasted it in her and didn't reivew it so the paragraphs didn't appear. Will try harder.

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Desiderata · 16/03/2009 21:39

No need, dude

I have a four year old son myself, and I know what they're like. They're a fucking nightmare !!

Everyone rambles on about the 'terrible twos'.

No big deal. My ds was an angel at two. But I always remember an elderly lady winking at me and saying 'wait 'til he's four.'

It's not your job to provide wall-to-wall entertainment. As you rightly said, it's your job to provide warmth, food, and succour.

The rest is up to him.

MollieO · 16/03/2009 21:48

If you have always played with him it is a bit late to decide now he is 4 that he has to learn to entertain himself. You will need to build that up and perservere. Ds (4) has always played well by himself but that is because he has always done so (no choice). Start cutting down the amount of time you actively spend playing with him but substitute that with giving him something to do that will spark his interest.

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