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4.8yo DD sad: what do you say to your DC when "'so and so' isn't their friend"?

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UnrealisticExpectations · 05/03/2009 14:43

What do you say to your DC when "'so and so's not their friend" ? I'd really appreciate some advice. I know it's probably no big deal and might be forgotten about by tonight, but it was upsetting DD (4.8 yo) this morning and I think it's really important to show her that mum will always listen to her problems. I'd like ideas about how to react in future.

My problem is: I don't want to be one of those mums who thinks their kids are angels whose word is gospel (who knows? DD might have instigated it?), but neither do I want to belittle her problems or discourage her from talking to me about them. I think encouraging her to tell me her worries now is the way to go for the future, but I don't want to encourage her to be oversensitive or a drama queen either.

This morning, she said to me that one of her friends told her she's not her friend anymore. To us, it's petty, I know, but it's their whole life. It was obviously on her mind and she was a bit worried about facing this girl at school again today.

I tried to follow the advice of the books I've read, which say listen and encourage the child to explain, rather than jumping in with advice. I restricted myself to 'oh dears' and 'how did that make you feel?' and she elaborated. She said it made her sad and upset and it sounds to me like a typical girls' friendship triangle has developed already. We had a cuddle and I let her tell me all about it. But then I got the feeling that she realised it was a winner in the sympathy and cuddles stakes and started to milk it a bit? Or maybe I'm just too sceptical as we've never had any trouble like this before.

DD is one of the youngest in her Reception class. She's always been an incredibly sociable little soul who loves going to school. At the last parents evening her teacher described her as being friends with everyone, getting on with everyone and having no enemies (the teacher's word) in the class at all. She's been in nursery/reception for 1½ years now. We've always encouraged her to take things lightly and she's never once mentioned any problems with her peers although there have been many between other class members - AND their parents - eek! This came out of the blue and I just didn't know how to deal with it.

I asked her what she'd said when 'x' announced she wasn't DD's friend because she was 'y's' friend. She said she'd said, "Fine, I'll go play with 'z'" Which I thought was great, especially as 'z' is much nicer anyway, but she was obviously still worried about the day ahead, particularly as she has to sit with 'x' throughout the day. After the listening and cuddling, I couldn't resist advising by telling her that it's not nice to say you're not friends, to be nice to the girls even if they weren't nice to her, but to just go play with someone else if they didn't want to play with her. It's so hard to simplify things enough to help a naïve-even-for-that-age 4 yo.

I have no idea whether I did the right thing. Maybe I should just butt out completely? I know it's only 'trivial kids' stuff' but it's a big deal when you are a kid, isn't it? My main concern is fostering a relationship where she wants to turn to mummy with her troubles, without encouraging oversensitivity.

(Thanks. Sorry for long post - brevity and me have always been strangers!)

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Countingthegreyhairs · 05/03/2009 14:54

Hi UnrealisticEx. I'm reading your op with astonishment because I could have written EVERY single word. My dd is one year older but in exactly the same situation.

No advice at all I'm afraid as I'm at a bit of a loss how to handle it but I just wanted to say you are not alone!

BTW I think the support you offered your dd is spot on.

Watching with interest ....

mustsleep · 05/03/2009 14:56

Hi ds is seven and has had this sort of thing happen before

All I normally say is what happened? Are you bothered,Why? Do you want to make friends etc and then normally it has allbeen forgotten anyway lol

I think yes show an interest but don't get too concerned or involved at this age they are really fickle anyway and are always falling out and then making friends

MelanieLiv · 05/03/2009 15:06

Hi there, I have a similar issue with my daughter at the moment. It happens from time to time. I have always taken the same line as OP, sympathetic, but not too full on. I think my DD also realised it was a way to get attention and sympathy too - especially from her father. Last time she mentioned it, it was one child in particular who didn't want to be her friend and two others who did. The other three are an established triangle and my DD's the youngest. I suggested she just ignore the rejection of the girl who doesn't want to play with her & do what she likes with the other two. I suggested that the 'mean' girl will get fed up with being mean if it isn't having any effect. This really seemed to help my DD. DOn't know what's happened since though. I don't tend to push her for information, just ask general questions about what happened at school today, who did she play with. Try to make sure there are times in the week when we're together and she has the opportunity to talk about this stuff if she needs to. Still happy to go to school though, so can't be too bad.

UnrealisticExpectations · 06/03/2009 16:11

Thanks for your help, everyone.

I think it is probably just a case of taking them seriously and showing concern only - and it's a good point to emphasise the 'if you don't react they'll soon get bored' thing too.

I'm still hoping to push the point of 'you keep being nice but just walk away if they're not.' But maybe it's a bit idealistic. I'm not sure I manage to practise what I preach! But if you can, I think your life runs smoother - you never get that worry about how you've behaved - even under provocation.

It's obviously something that's going to come up time and time again and I do like to have a 'policy' for this sort of thing! Not that I'm retentive or anything!

DD seems happy enough now. She told DH on the way home that she'd asked 'x' if she wanted to play. 'X' had said no, so DD had played with other kids. That seemed to get rid of her apprehension of not knowing how things were going to proceed. So I thought she'd done well. I didn't ask her anything about it and she didn't mention it again. They'd had a minor disagreement again today but she's happy enough. She's pretty much a 'water off a duck's back' kinda kid (long may it continue!) but that was why I was so flummoxed that she was upset about it.

Some kids always seem to be part of a pair, don' they? I seemed to always find myself 1 of a 3 and it's always such a precarious position to be in when you're a kid. Suppose you've just got to learn to let them cope. Luckily, DD's much more outgoing than I was!

Countingthegreyhairs, thanks for that. Same as everything else about being a mum, I suppose: no miracle answers! You want to be there for them but, at the same time they've got to learn to deal with things themselves. Sounds like we're trying the same sorts of things. I love the 'How to talk to kids' book - once I got over the shock! I sounded very negative about it on the other thread: not at all, it's made my relationship with DD much, much better. I might even buy the siblings one too. How's your DD coping with her situation? How have you been dealing with it? Good luck with the ironing mountain - I've got so many mountains for different things in this house it's like living in the Himalayas! Eeek!

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Themasterandmargaritas · 06/03/2009 16:39

Unrealistic, I have also just posted a long rambling post in chat on a similar experience with dd who is now 7. It really does matter to them, socialising is important to these tiny girls.

Not several hours ago I said pretty much the same thing to dd as you did to yours. Sadly I think it hurts them more and more the older they get. I felt quite when I had to tell her that that is how life works, but that there are always lots of other new good friends to be made.

We had lots of cuddles and I agree that the being there to listen rather than demand what has been going is hopefully the way forward for when we have even trickier teenage situations to deal with

Countingthegreyhairs · 07/03/2009 00:44

Hi Unrealistic

just caught up with this thread before bed!

Yes I am learning from this thread and from rl situations - finally - that I can't and shouldn't try and solve every problem that dd encounters - I can advise - I can be on hand to listen and sympathise (as TheMasterandMargharita emphasises - and then I should step back ...! It's hard to see them going through it though isn't it? Particularly at this young age ...

As it happens dd came home from school today a much happier child than at the beginning of the week - thank you for asking! She is in one of your aforementioned triangles but she's beginning to work with it I think!

She also was described by her teacher as very sociable and wanting to play with everyone but the other two in her group only want to play in pairs ... hence the difficulty ...

I'm so glad your dd has had a better time of it today. Phew! Hopefully we can both go in to the weekend with a slightly more optimistic feeling about the week to come ...!!

PS Mountain pile still teetering ...

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