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How normal are damp pants?

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asteamedpoater · 17/01/2009 22:01

(Apologies in advance that this is pretty detailed!). My nearly 5-year old son has been potty trained since he was about 2 and 10 months and never has proper accidents during the day (ie wet trousers from a completely emptied bladder). However, whilst he has always very reliably informed us before he needs a poo, I have never, ever seen him show any signs of needing a wee (eg hopping up and down, touching his willy, etc) and he only ever spontaneously asks to go to the loo when he has a small damp patch in his pants. Whilst I can guarantee that if he has asked to go to do a wee that the damp patch will be there when we get to the toilet, he does not have to run to the toilet to make it on time when he does ask - he can take time for us to find a toilet, so I don't think this is simply because he is just holding on too long and no longer able to hold the urine in, as once he's leaked a really tiny amount, he can consciously hold on for some time. And if asked to go to the loo before we go out, he has no problems doing this - there is nothing wrong with his urine flow or voluntary control, just something a bit off with his "subconscious" control. In addition, whilst he was mostly dry at night for about a year (ie would have one or two accidents about every two months, usually when run down), he is now (since April) wet every single night and has had to go back into nappies at bedtime. He has never, ever, woken up to do a wee - it's just that his bladder used to be able to hold on all night and now it can't.

How normal is this damp-pants syndrome in a 5-year old? Is this apparent lack of sensitivity to a gradually filling bladder something I should worry about? He had 3 lumbar punctures as a baby, so I am always paranoid that somehow some kind of nerve damage was done (particularly since 2 of the LPs were not done well and resulted in blood contamination in the spinal fluid, making the procedure a waste of time...), so would be grateful for some reassurance. (And yes, I know the chances of permanent damage having been done are extremely low).

Also (if there are any drs. reading this), he recently had a urine infection, following a bout of balanitis, and an ultrasound was done of his bladder. Apparently, he does not fully void his bladder when peeing, but the amount left behind is not sufficient for this to be thought a cause of his urine infection (which was most likely the severe balanitis), it's just "not ideal". Why would he have this problem??? Is this the cause of his damp pants? And/or is it a result of the fact that he has mild hypotonia (and EDS hypermobility type)? Will it get better over time? Or worse??? Should I be asking more questions of doctors about my son's minor incontinence, or just assuming that it will get better on its own as he matures? He does not suffer from constipation, by the way - or not so far as I can tell, since he empties his bowels every day and has never had faecal incontinence.

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unfitmother · 17/01/2009 22:06

Was interested in this as DS is the same, was disapointed to realise you were talking about a 5 yr old, my DS is 12!!!

asteamedpoater · 18/01/2009 13:04

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duchesse · 18/01/2009 13:19

They were very normal in our house until our children were about 7 or 8! Make sure he's getting enough to drink, as any kind of pain on urinating might make him less liekly to want to go, leading to leakage when he's desperate.

duchesse · 18/01/2009 13:20

unfit- we know a boy who was not reliably dry until he was about 13. Are you getting medical help with this?

blackrock · 18/01/2009 13:28

The school nurse should be able to help you with this one. Do you think he is not getting any indications from his body and then feels or notices the patch, which makes him react? I think lots of children experience this, but the school nurse might have some ideas for how to help him manage it better. It may resolve itself, he might be able to just ensure that he visits the loo more regularly as he matures (6 to 7), before this happens.

DesperateHousewifeToo · 18/01/2009 13:33

I was also going to suggest to make sure he is drinking enough during the day.

It sounds as though the leaking is because he is not fully emptying his bladder when he wees.

Have you seen the eric website?

I think it has suggestions/ exercices to improve bladder control and may have a section on helping to empty the bladder.

I'll have a look and see if I can find anything on there.

asteamedpoater · 18/01/2009 13:35

Thanks, duchesse. Did your children show signs of needing to go to the loo before they went (eg hopping up and down, wriggling, fidgeting, touching their trousers etc)? I guess it's the complete lack of any apparent awareness before my ds gets damp pants that bothers me, as I don't know whether he is responding to the sensation that his bladder really is full, now, or to the realisation that his pants are now feeling a bit uncomfortable... His little brother makes it quite obvious when he is attempting to hold on too long!

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duchesse · 18/01/2009 13:45

Very rarely did they show any signs to be honest. There were just peeing a little bit in their pants throughout the day, and just got used to having damp pants all the time. I think there was an issue with school with them, about not being allowed to drink much at school and not being allowed to go to the loo when they needed to.

asteamedpoater · 18/01/2009 14:04

Many thanks, DesperateHousewifeToo. The website looks really helpful. I'll have a good look at all the literature on it when I have time. I have been trying to up the amount he drinks during the day, although it's a bit of a struggle. He will drink a nice big cup of milk before school (with breakfast cereal also containing tonnes of milk), then appears to drink virtually nothing at school (he goes to school with 2 full beakers of water and comes home with the same... although he does also get milk at school and I think he drinks that, but I don't have any control over it and so long as it looks like he's drinking, the teachers don't seem to check how MUCH he's drinking, although I have asked them to keep an eye on it...). He then has a big cup of milk as soon as he gets home and another one with his supper, possibly one extra cup if he is actually thirsty!!! So he gets an absolute minimum of 600ml of fluids every day, plus whatever he drinks at school (so possibly another 185ml of milk at school). Persuading him to drink anything other than milk is a bit of an issue!!!

How much fluid should we be aiming for him to drink, by the way???

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Thankyouandgoodnight · 18/01/2009 14:25

ok - just off the top of my head - cut out citrus, particularly lemons and caffeine (tea, coffee if he has either of those and of course chocolate).

Get him to do pelvic floor exercises to strengthen his muscles and hence his control and in an ideal world (yes I know) after he's been for a wee, get him to lie down on the floor with knees bent and feet flat on the floor and tilt his hips up towards his head and back (pelvic tilts) -this will help to swish the urine left in his bladder so that the residual left over doesn't become 'stale' (helping to prevent against urine infections) - a useful exercise for people who have had hysterectomys too.

You should see results within a week if this advice is hitting the nail on the head.

DesperateHousewifeToo · 18/01/2009 18:14

I don't know how many drinks to aim for or whether milk is as good as water in this case, I'm afraid.

Isn't there an 'Eric' helpline? Perhaps they could give some idea.

A star chart for drinking more during the day has been suggested in past threads.

Thankyouandgoodnight's suggestions sound good too.

asteamedpoater · 18/01/2009 21:31

Many thanks, Thankyouandgoodnight. Any tips on how to teach a 4-5 year old how to do Kegel exercises (or how to check he is actually doing them properly?!)? Should I just ask him to try and stop peeing midstream and then do the same thing with his muscles when not peeing??? I know he can stop mid-stream, because I've asked him to do that before when getting a sample of urine! Or should I be mentioning the muscles in his bottom, too?...

Anyway, I might phone the ERIC helpline, tomorrow for some help...

Thanks to everyone for the advice - it has made me feel a bit more positive about the whole thing.

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